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marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

haveblue posted:

I think they actually touch on that in his origin episode- he was trying to quit at the same time he was trying to get out of the world of covert ops, but when his manuscript is rejected he throws up his hands and dives back into both.

And when he is first recruited into the conspiracy he's a non smoker, someone offers him one and he says he never touches the things.

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marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

escape artist posted:

Just skip Dod Kalm. Seriously. I almost gave up on the whole show because of how bad that episode is.

Really? What was so bad about it? It's certainly not a great episode but almost giving up on the show?

The episode where Scully gets a tattoo and the episode where Mulder falls in love with a vampire are much, much worse than Dod Kalm.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Castle Radium posted:

Moonlighting got a good three seasons out of whether Bruce Willis and Cybill Shepherd would ever get together. They eventually did, of course, which just proved to be an example of how this sort of thing can end up being ratings death for that kind of show, especially if people are only watching to see if the two lead characters eventually get it on.

There's another example I can think of that will possibly resonate with UK goons of a certain age, Press Gang. Some guy called Steven Moffat was behind it.

As an aside, it's crazy to think Moonlighting had 60 million viewers at its peak. 60 million! And yet hardly anyone talks about it now. I guess some shows are so of their time that they just kind of fade from the public consciousness when they're done, even if they were a huge cultural phenomenon.

I've not actually watched Moonlighting but it seems to only ever be mentioned nowadays as a cautionary tale for will they/won't they tv romances. But was it getting them together that killed the show, or was it delaying them getting together for too long that killed the show? I've heard it both ways.

haveblue posted:

Do people really think this was a terrible episode? I rewatched it recently and it seemed middle-of-the-road at worst.

I don't know if my opinion is the popular one, but I really didn't like it. I thought Scully's behaviour was totally out of character, and the whole tattoo possession thing was so stupid.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

cenotaph posted:

I thought it being out of character was the whole point. She's dealing with the cancer and basically goes on a bender.

Actually the episode was moved, it wasn't originally supposed to be part of the cancer storyline. Gillian Anderson said she would have played it differently if she had known she was supposed to have cancer.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Fast Luck posted:

There's that one dude who's always smoking that back in the day I knew as Cancer Man but as time passed he started being known as Cigarette Smoking Man. But Mulder actually calls him the Cancer Man in one of the early episodes, plus it's a cooler name, so how did his name or alias or whatever end up changing to CSM? Do they start calling him CSM later in the series? I don't think I ever watched more than an ep here and there past the early seasons.

I think he was in the credits as Cigarette Smoking Man but wasn't actually referred to on-screen as such. Cancer Man was a popular fan nickname for him that they used on the show a few times. I could be wrong but that's what I always thought.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I do have more sympathy for Scully's point of view now than when I was a teenager, some of the stuff Mulder is immediately willing to believe is so silly, even if he is always right. Just watching the episode where the call centre worker goes postal on his office because he thinks his boss is a monster. Mulder- "What if he's right?"

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Goddamn, Small Potatoes is a great episode. With the exception of Home, Musings..., and Small Potatoes, season 4 has been really goddamn grim. I don't like this.

Home isn't grim? Small Potatoes is funny, but the playing of rape for laughs does make me uncomfortable.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Bob Shadycharacter posted:

Words can't express how much I loving loved this show as a teen. Oh my god. I'm right there with whoever said they used to obsessively tape every episode on VHS and catalog them. I am so loving old.

I wanted to be Scully so bad, it hurt.

Also, I think it's weird that people don't like Chinga. I always liked the role reversal thing they have going on, with Scully being all "this is totes supernatural" and Mulder shooting down all her theories and wasting an entire weekned throwing pencils at the ceiling.

That side of it was fun (like the similar scenes in War of the Coprophages with the roles reversed), it's the rest of the episode that's kind of rubbish. I just couldn't take the evil doll seriously. Especially the resolution, with Scully nuking it in the microwave.

Bob Shadycharacter posted:

Does anyone have that .gif of Mulder and Scully dancing? It's not from an episode, but a photoshoot I think.

I don't have a GIF, but Mulder and Scully dance in the Post-Modern Prometheus.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

There was nothing wrong with I want to believe. I think a lot of fans just hyped it up in their heads as being some kind of epic grand finale dealing with the alien invasion, and so were disappointed to see a monster of the week type story. And a Scully religion story.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

haveblue posted:

I tried watching that but it didn't grab me. Each episode was like a 45-minute X-Files cold open.

That sounds pretty great to me.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

They don't need to explain a delay beyond maybe a line saying that Mulder and Scully's X-Files antics delayed them.

And yeah with how badly the last monster of the week movie went down there is no way this new thing isn't mythology heavy or mythology only.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Wasn't the last movie a mostly normal serial killer case with a fake psychic? I remember almost nothing about it.

I can't remember if Billy Connolly was a fake or not, but the main plot involved Russian head transplant surgeons and poo poo.

People were really annoyed that it wasn't about aliens/the conspiracy.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Skinner was retired in the last movie right?

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Mister Kingdom posted:

They need to figure out how to factor in Mulder's porn addiction.

Easily accessible internet porn is the reason Mulder hasn't made any progress on uncovering the conspiracy in the last decade or so.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Someone needs to count the number of episodes that end with Mulder and/or Scully waking up in a hospital bed.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Chairman Capone posted:

I remember at the time there was some review on the end of the show about how The X-Files was such a product of the Clinton era and its view on government, the conspiracies it generated, etc., it already seemed anachronistic in the new Bush era (at least those early years).

Yeah I remember people saying that having the government as the bad guys was pre 9/11 thinking haha.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I really enjoyed both episodes, but yeah the second was a lot stronger. I can see where most of the complainers are coming from. Though I'm kind of baffled at the people who complain about Mulder spouting a load of absolutely ridiculous theories- he used to do that in every episode!

CelticPredator posted:

Also, I heard that Episode 2 was supposed to be Episode 5, hence why it seems rushed after Episode 1.

loving hell Fox. Are they capable of showing a scifi show in the correct order? I remember they did the same thing with Serenity and Almost Human.

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marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Well yeah I suppose you could just jump in with the new episodes if you really want to, and still follow the plot without any major issues.

But the old episodes are really good and on Netflix so you should watch them first.

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