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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Season 1 also has Darkness Falls, which is still one of my favorite episodes.

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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

VisAbsoluta posted:

For me, Space is easliy the worst episode from season one.

I forgot about this so I looked it up and I completely forgot that there was actually an episode where there was an alien ghost who turned people into the Face on Mars.

Also looking back, I forgot that it was season 1 that had the episode that completely wasted the Jersey Devil and turned it into a feral girl.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Well Manicured Man posted:

I didn't mind the Stephen King episode all that much the last time I watched it. That's the one where Scully's all on her own and when she comes back to the office all Mulder's been doing while she's been gone is throw pencils at the ceiling, right?

The thing that I really remember from that episode is Scully apparently not being familiar with the concept of eating a lobster.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Exploder posted:

At this point, I too am totally fine with an unabashed retcon of the finale. Hell, they can retcon the last two or three seasons of the mytharc while they're at it. Like I said earlier, they can use comic book logic and say it's "a different universe". Either way, it would be more conducive to writing a better story than considering it all canon and trying to explain CSM's death/re-birth.

The last season or so of the show is really the thing that makes any sequel so difficult, both between where they left the mytharc and how many of the supporting characters got killed.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Jack Gladney posted:

I mean, I'm curious about what the flukeman has been up to all these years,

I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but I think this actually was one of the first stories the season 10 comic did.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

joepinetree posted:

It was never among my favorites because it is less sci-fi and more new agey.

That's a big reason I disliked the late-season episode where they tried to retcon Samantha from being abducted by aliens to being taken away by walk-throughs or whatever those spirit angels were.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

In the very last season, don't they change the intro a few times? I at least remember that the very last episode has its own intro which stuffs like everybody into it, and also has a split-second reference to both DS9 and the Star Wars comics.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

mr.capps posted:

My favorite thing about CSM is that he gets a lot of crap from random X-Files fans for being a Skeptic in real life.

Isn't Duchovney a pretty firm skeptic and Gillian Anderson more of a believer in real life? I remember reading that in some interview back in the late 90s.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Looks like we're getting a good old fashioned UFO crash episode:

https://www.facebook.com/gareth.m.smart/posts/10153309164525170

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

WebDog posted:

It's interesting how the first two seasons have quite a few of the supporting cast from Battlestar Galactica show up - guess the Vancouver casting scene remained pretty steady between 1993 and 2004.

I remember finding it funny how the main villain in the second movie was the guy who played Leoben in BSG.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I haven't seen a late season episode since they aired so I honestly forgot completely that Scully got pregnant through IVF, I thought for some reason she was sterile then came back pregnant after an alien abduction.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Emerson Cod posted:

The shift in the tone of the show post 9/11 was huge looking back on it. The Lone Gunmen dying to save a number of people conspicuously close to the death toll of it, taking out CSM with a cruise missile while he's holed up and hiding in the desert, etc. The last season really reflected the sense of uncertainty and dread that permeated culture back then.

I remember at the time there was some review on the end of the show about how The X-Files was such a product of the Clinton era and its view on government, the conspiracies it generated, etc., it already seemed anachronistic in the new Bush era (at least those early years).

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I don't know if I'd really call Millennium a post-9/11 show, but I think it was definitely ahead of its time. I think it would have been a lot more accepted by both audiences and the network ten years later.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I hope the 1940s UFO crash stuff means we're finally going to get an episode that deals with Roswell directly. For such a central event in American UFO culture, and really conspiracy culture in general, I always thought it strange that the show tiptoed around it for the most part.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Jack Gladney posted:

They also had somebody watching an episode of the X-files on tv later in the episode, probably just to calm down all the nutso theories people would float otherwise. But then later Walter said he was friends with Dr. Jacobi from Twin Peaks so whatever.

I think there's also an episode of Millennium where someone is shown watching X-Files.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I remember when they filmed the second movie, they released false spoilers and set photos that made it look like the movie was going to be about a werewolf, and I really wish it had had that storyline instead.

Actually I think that a big proportion of the best X-Files episodes were the comedy ones, and it would have been amazing to have an X-Files movie come out and all the casual moviegoers be completely floored to discover it was a comedy. I remember showing my best friend (who had never seen the show before, just knew of it through pop culture) Jose Chung, Bad Blood, and Hollywood AD and he was really surprised that X-Files wasn't just completely dark and serious.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

So I just started listening to The X-Files Files podcast - I'm still on the first episode, but I can tell I'm going to love it, when they were talking about their experiences first watching the show, it's like they're talking directly to me.

Also I loved listening to Kumail talk about his experience watching the second movie on opening night.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

What was the episode where Doggett and Scully investigate the cultists who think the giant slug parasite is Jesus?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

So I just noticed that there was (I guess still is) an X-Files Season 11 comic that started this summer, which just seems strange that they'd do that and try to bill it as an "official continuation" given the miniseries was well into development when they did the comic and will clearly not be following any of it... but also that it had a "Home Again" story arc which seems even more bizarre given an episode of the same name was one of the first things announced in the new season.

Actually, are any of the X-Files comics any good at all? I know Kevin J. Anderson wrote some of the older ones, and his books are pretty terrible, but I felt like his Star Wars comics were better than his novels.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

On the subject of shows created by X-Files staff, was Space: Above and Beyond any good?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

So I watched the pilot of Space: Above and Beyond. It was cheesy, not counting the CGI which I give it a pass for due to it being on Fox in the mid-90s (though I actually did like a lot of the ship designs), but looking online I've heard others say it gets better after the pilot. Having R. Lee Ermey play the drill sergeant in an overt homage to Full Metal Jacket that lasted for 20 minutes was a bit on the nose.

Honestly as much as I can see how people compared BSG to it, it reminded me a lot more of the contemporary SeaQuest DSV, especially its last season, complete with subplots about AI and "in vitroes".

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I finally finished listening to the latest X-Files Files episode, and am now even more super pumped for the miniseries.

ICHIBAHN posted:

Good advice. I skipped all the non mythology episodes. Never liked the monster of the week episodes.

The best episodes of the show were overwhelming the MOTW, though!

I mean, if I made a list of my absolute favorite episodes from the series (not limited by any specific number), probably the only Mytharcs on it would be the Pilot, Deep Throat, Duane Barry/Ascension, the Anasazi three-parter, Nisei/731, and Tunguska/Terma. And none of those are close to ones like Clyde Bruckman, Jose Chung, Ice, Beyond the Sea, Bad Blood, Musings of a Cigarette Smoking Man, Dreamland, Hollywood AD... Actually, most of those are the comedy episodes, too.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Wheat Loaf posted:

Anyway, I have this image of the Cigarette-Smoking Man watching everything the Millennium Group does while smugly narrating to himself about how they're a bunch of rank amateurs who he could run rings around if he thought they were worth the effort. :D

I like the thought of the Cigarette-Smoking Man being a member of Selfosophy. From the Musings episode, I can kind of see him holding their beliefs. And he loves trashy fiction!

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Slate Action posted:

The X-Files only got greenlit in the first place because Fox was an extremely desperate TV network in 1993. So it's fitting that it now comes back out of another sort of desperation, the desire to not have to take jobs like...



Didn't Gillian Anderson recently write (or probably "write") a novel about a robot uprising or alien invasion or something like that?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I think the problem with trying to imagine what X-Files would have been like if it had been made 20 years later is that so much of the popular genre/procedural shows on now or recently clearly have X-Files in their ancestral DNA. Just in the last few years for example, Lost, Fringe, Breaking Bad, Supernatural, Hannibal, even stuff like CSI, Criminal Minds, and the revived Doctor Who were inspired to varying degrees by The X-Files.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I actually never really thought how X-Files launched around the time that TNG was hitting its peak. Quantum Leap is the other big sci-fi show at the time that immediately comes to mind, I could definitely see Fox execs trying to get in on that trend. And obviously it was coming just after Twin Peaks hit meteoric heights then completely tanked and has a semi-similar tone.

I actually think there are a lot of similarities between X-Files and Lost in terms of what an impact they had on both the public consciousness and other shows.

On the subject of Doctor Who, I thought I remembered an early interview with Russel T Davies directly saying that both X-Files and Buffy were inspirations, but just writing this now, I realized might be confusing that with Torchwood.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

So here's one thing I never put together before... In Apocrypha, we last see Krycek locked in the bottom of a missile silo with a UFO. Then when he shows up again in Tunguska, he basically just says that the militia group broke in and rescued him. So now I wonder if in the universe of The X-Files, the equivalent of Ammon Bundy has a bunch of black oil and alien heat rays they use whenever they Defend Are Freedoms. (I also didn't realize just how different the black oil is in its introductory episodes vs. later episodes. Or how it's explicitly not even supposed to be black oil, it's just a creature living within the oil because that's what it found on the crashed plane.)

I also noticed that Musings of a Cigarette Smoking Man has actors from both Space: Above and Beyond and Battlestar Galactica in it. That's one of the only actual "connections" I've been able to find between the shows. (The only actually-substantive connection seems to be that Félix Enríquez Alcalá directed episodes of both shows.)

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I pretty clearly meant connections between Space: Above and Beyond and BSG.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Speaking of CSI, I just remembered that Nicholas Lea (Krycek) had a recurring role early on in the original CSI. I think he was dating Marg Helgenberger's character.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Wheat Loaf posted:

Oh, yeah, I know, but in the context of The X-Files, they're CSM's brand, and they wouldn't have gone out of their way to focus on the packet in that Millennium episode if that wasn't what they were hinting at. :D

I remember in an episode of Californication they make a point of showing Duchovny's character getting a pack of them, too.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

inignot posted:

The patriot militia fruitcake groups were a thing back in the 90s; it goes hand in hand with deranged conservatives railing against a Democratic President. There are multiple episodes of the X-files referencing those kinds of people.

Yeah, I know that. What struck me is more the fact that in the show one of those groups apparently broke into a hangar where an actual UFO was but didn't seem to care.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

RC Cola posted:

I'm up to season 7 episode.... 13? Is it worth watching anymore? It's just so convoluted

After that point, I like: En Ami (15), Brand X (18), Hollywood A.D. (19, and one of my favorites of the entire series), Je Souhaite (21), and Requiem (22, which really would have been an ideal place to just end the series, or at least the alien mytharc).

But really after those there's nothing you absolutely need to watch in the last two seasons. Except maybe the episode where Aaron Paul is a high school Jackass-copycat.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

MariusLecter posted:

You guys hype? I'm sensibly hyped. :)

The other evening I was at the bar with a few friends from work, none of whom knew the others liked X-Files, and we got into a huge discussion on the mytharc, on favorite episodes, on guest stars, etc. And today a huge discussion sprung up on one of my friend's Facebook feeds on best episodes to watch this weekend. It's so crazy that X-Files is stirring up this kind of interest again and to be having these kinds of water cooler talks like back in the day.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

The idea that the real conspiracy is that CSM & Friends are killing the aliens to stop the nice aliens from saving us and then stealing their tech is so ridiculous I really like it.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

xPanda posted:

Wait, so why was the old doctor guy saying that Roswell was fake and Soviet when it shows us that the doctor knows it was real? Why tell Mulder that he's close by lying to him and telling him that something that's true is false?

According to the "Roswell was Soviet" conspiracy theory book, the aliens in the crash were actually KGB midgets genetically engineered by Josef Mengele. AMC was actually considering making a show based on that book a few years ago, but I think passed on it in favor of that Revolutionary War spy show.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Slate Action posted:

It was all to confuse Mulder. The conspiracy against Mulder started before he was even born.

Turns out the conspiracy leader is the OSS agent that Mulder met in 1939 from Triangle.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Thinking about it some more, the Roswell crash we were shown in the episode actually doesn't match any of the "traditional" accounts of the Roswell myth - the location, the conditions of the crash, the aliens, etc. Of course, this also could be Chris Carter not really caring to look up any of those details.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Austrian mook posted:

What is scorpion and why are 10 million people watching it

It's too bad Scorpion didn't air at the same time as X-Files, then I could believe that Doggett had gone rogue and was working against his former colleagues.

Actually thinking on that, other than the series finale, do Doggett and Mulder ever meet? I just remember Scully constantly bringing up Mulder to Doggett and him clearly not caring a lot.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Slate Action posted:

- For the rest of each season, let new and promising writers take a crack at it. I want to see what someone who's not part of the 'old guard' would do with the show.

Aside from the lack of Vince Gilligan, this is my big regret about the writing crew on the miniseries. I wanted to see what someone who career-wise came of age watching The X-Files and was influenced by it have a shot at it.

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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

MariusLecter posted:

I know you all hated Mulder's snark with Obamacare and stuff. But that was dope and totally Mulder. A+ poo poo.

The Obamacare line was great. The combination of Mulder's tone, and it of course being something that Mulder would say, and of course be something that a nun would accept on why the mean old socialist government has to stick its nose into the church's business.

Plus I feel like everyone complaining about "all the 2016 references" forget how much the original run referenced stuff from contemporary developments. Waco, Oklahoma City bombing, the Clinton impeachment, the militia movement, the ALH meteorite all got referenced and that's just off the top of my head.

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