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fisting by many
Dec 25, 2009



Mind_Taker posted:

The reason I didn't leave is because the card room isn't particularly close to where I live, it's about 45 minutes away. I decided that I would rather not waste 1.5 hours of time and gas money, but instead I would rather waste much more by playing this lovely game. It's a definite leak of mine and I need to get better at just leaving when the game is not any good.

Yeah, that's an easy trap to fall for. Just remember that when you go to the casino, your entire trip there and back is a sunk cost.

Mind_Taker posted:

I was still exhausted from the night before, and I was a little bit under the weather. Oh and I was an absolute retard at poker.

Those things are all closely related! When you're tired and sick and stuff like that your winrate suffers a lot. You have to ask yourself if it's even worth your time when your expectation might be a third of what it normally is. Especially when you spend an hour and a half just traveling.

Hand 1 I too like a 3b preflop given your reads. On the flop your logic is contradictory. You decide to bet rather than c/r because you don't think anyone else is going to bet without Kx and then you bet pot which makes it hard for someone to call without Kx (your games are a lot juicier than mine I take it but do you expect people to call a PSB with Qx or JT here?) I'd rather bet $60 to get called by those weak hands.

Turn is a really crap card for you as the only thing it helps you get value from is A:h:x:h: which there aren't a whole lot of combos of (and JT gets there), and it's a scare card for most of the range you are trying to get value from. I'm not even sure betting is correct, if he has weak Kx or Qx he might just fold OTT where you might be able to get him to call a small bet on the river (live players are showdown monkeys!) What do you suppose Clay's range is at this point? But a small bet is definitely better than a large one.

River is pretty gross and I think you could be right that it's a fold. Villain's sizing says "I have something good enough to bet but it's nowhere near the nuts" and it's hard to imagine him having a hand he can wuss-valuebet worse than KQ. Maybe K8/Q8? If so then it's a call, otherwise yeah you beat nothing.

Hand 2 yup, just raise pre. But as played you could even 3b over his pot-sweetener raise out of the blinds, assuming there isn't a smart player who realizes limp/3bing in late position is weak in between you and him.

Also what gives, you said Detroit Brian was competent.

Hand 3 again your thoughts are contradictory. You bet small because you think it could induce a bluff with air, and then when he raises you decide to shove because???? If you think he can actually bluff in this spot then call turn and let him bluff river. Against most people with those stacks I would just bet normal/shove for value from qx/flushes.

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fisting by many
Dec 25, 2009



h1 is standard, nh whatever

h2... I mean, I don't think calling down vs that villain on that board is bad but "I'm going to call and make up my mind on the river" is a bad way to think. You should have some idea what you are going to do on future streets -- which turns/river cards & action am I folding to. A really important read in this spot is how thin villain will valuebet (shockingly most really bluffy players don't valuebet any more than the average live idiot) - if you know he never bets worse than TP for value for instance and turn is a K then it's a really easy call down. Another important read is his sizing -- does he bet 1/3 pot on turn and river with bluffs? If it was an unknown I would say probably not.

Your flop logic is absolutely correct though -- cbetting just folds his bluffs and you want him to bluff at you. You just need to know how to exploit his bluffing by having some idea of his range and tendencies.

h3 I would definitely lead the flop against this villain -- you say he's loose, he will raise as a bluff but likes to slowplay? I'm having trouble articulating why I prefer leading out but just going into a bluffcatch shell against this guy every hand is probably not good. You can bet, you can get value from his draws, he probably raises his draws, you can get value from 9x/pairs since he's calling pre with everything, he might even call flop with like two overs and a diamond if he's that loose... Unless he is bluffing 100% of the time he is checked to you are probably missing value not betting.

as played you have a bluffcatcher, if he really does triple barrel bluff that often then calling is fine

h4 is fine if he's ever bluffing (he probably is)

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