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I've been mulling doing a legislative LP with an El Cid start in CK2 to highlight the conclave changes. Something like a system where either individuals or groups act as the various councilors and I cheese the actual game mechanics via favors/console fuckery such that goons are actually acting as my in game council. So if my council laws required approval for a war, I'd have to go the thread and try to make a deal to get it passed. If it didn't go entirely off the rails, it could be really fun to see the back and forth as various goons and various rulers tried to claw power away from each other; although I would probably have to invent some mechanic to allow a strong enough ruler to roll back reforms in spite of the thread or otherwise the council would inevitably win out. It could be extended into EU4 with goons playing the role of estates, but even thinking about that would be getting way ahead of myself. It'd require a lot more time than I have right now, but I might get into it this spring once my (actual) state's legislative session wraps up and I have more free time. So if anyone wants to use this idea before then, please do. punched my v-card at camp fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Nov 5, 2016 |
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Mister Adequate posted:Comedy option: end HoI in nuclear hellfire, make an appropriate CK2 scenario, repeat ad infinitum You won't need to go back to CK2 after HOI4 hellfire if you started from SimAnt.
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Mister Adequate posted:Exactly! The problem is I can mod the Pdox stuff fine, but I don't know if I am up to such extensive TW modding, or if it can even be done to that extent. HoI4 => After the end is pretty much this
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^ That's true enough! I'll just get Ofaloaf to make more iterations of AtE for each cycle!  ZearothK posted:You won't need to go back to CK2 after HOI4 hellfire if you started from SimAnt. Yeah but then I'd have to mod in ant portraits when I get back to CK2.
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Nov 5, 2016 16:29
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As long as we're talking fantasy mega LPs, I'd love to do a China one that went something like Oriental Empires > ROTK XIII > ??? > Paradox games but I don't think I could handle the modding. e: v Yea I couldn't take a project like that on before next year and I'd prob have to drop OE since it seems bland anyways. Mantis42 fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Nov 6, 2016 |
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Nov 6, 2016 05:55
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Spent the last few days reading the thread (just the LP parts though so I didn't suffer through senate shenanigans and other stuff). I'm just...wow. Amazing. It's probably a recency bias, but one thing that irked me was a lot was China's flag. Since I skipped flag chat, I never saw the origins of it and wtf was going on with the symbol in the center and the square around it. If someone could explain it to me, I'd probably less annoyed, especially since a flag with the shape of a coin (the shape probably still used in the currency of ByzLP China out of tradition) in the center might make much more sense with their form of government. That or an ingot/yuanbao. What better a symbol of wealth and capitalism then currency itself? Mantis42 posted:As long as we're talking fantasy mega LPs, I'd love to do a China one that went something like Oriental Empires > ROTK XIII > ??? > Paradox games but I don't think I could handle the modding. There's probably a mod for CK2 for the whole of Asia at the very least so a start from there might be at least somewhat less tedious than going all the way back to Oriental Empires. Xelkelvos fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Nov 6, 2016 |
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Nov 6, 2016 06:02
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Xelkelvos posted:Spent the last few days reading the thread (just the LP parts though so I didn't suffer through senate shenanigans and other stuff). I'm just...wow. Amazing. There's not really a story behind the flag-- I was just trying to think of a flag more interesting for China than just a big 明, asked the thread for directions, and megane made a design I thought looked really cool. Substituting the coin for the flag's emblem is something I've done before-- see Zhang Zhulin's portrait, for example-- but if I do too much of that it just looks like I'm cribbing from the Earth Kingdom, and there's probably enough Legend of Korra in the aesthetics of ByzLP as it is.
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Empress Theonora posted:There's not really a story behind the flag-- I was just trying to think of a flag more interesting for China than just a big 明, asked the thread for directions, and megane made a design I thought looked really cool. The real China did it first anyways  IDK if this has been mentioned before, but there's actually a certain irony in how central China is in global politics as a continental, and then a world, power throughout the whole LP given that they're literally called the "Middle Kingdom" when the name in Chinese characters is read literally (China is a name foreigners gave it based off of the Qin dynasty) or "central nation" alternatively. 中國 = China, pronounced Zhongguo. "中" literally means middle, within or central. 國 means kingdom, state, nation, etc. It's a little late to change the flag anyways lest there's a revolution of sorts.
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Mantis42 posted:As long as we're talking fantasy mega LPs, I'd love to do a China one that went something like Oriental Empires > ROTK XIII > ??? > Paradox games but I don't think I could handle the modding. "Every Great Journey Begins with a Single Steppe - A Paradox Mega-LP as the Mongols"
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Xelkelvos posted:It's probably a recency bias, but one thing that irked me was a lot was China's flag. Since I skipped flag chat, I never saw the origins of it and wtf was going on with the symbol in the center and the square around it. If someone could explain it to me, I'd probably less annoyed, especially since a flag with the shape of a coin (the shape probably still used in the currency of ByzLP China out of tradition) in the center might make much more sense with their form of government. That or an ingot/yuanbao. What better a symbol of wealth and capitalism then currency itself? It's this symbol:  It represents the Chinese zodiac (the twelve black & white bars in the middle) and in particular the four directions, with south at the top: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthly_Branches Doesn't mean it can't be replaced, of course, but that's where I got it from.
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megane posted:It's this symbol: gasp! the mysterious origins explained Anyway, I think that design is going to stick around unless China somehow goes communist or something. I thought of designing a whole new flag for the Pangalists, but Zhang Zhulin's whole modus operandi was leaving the symbols etc. of the old state intact on a surface level.
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Nov 6, 2016 19:22
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Senate Multiplayer LP. Ten factions, ten players, a hundred goons.
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Hell, I got Stellaris, I could probably ape the voting/debate structure from this LP and start my own community LP.
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Nov 8, 2016 00:44
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Considering the total, irrevocable victory fascism just won IRL, this thread isn't fun anymore. 
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yeah  i want to get back to work on the mod eventually but everything is just so awful and working on a mod that's all about politics and maps and numbers and a struggle against fascism just seems really sad to me rn i really want to finish what i started here but in addition to how overwhelming the mod already was and how much of a struggle even managing to do like regular things like "eat meals" or "wake up" is when my nation's government has just been delivered into the hands of people who want to hurt me and my friends and millions of other people, for the next four to eight years, or possibly forever, depending on how much our institutions erode, the subject matter of this LP just seems so close to everything i'm scared of right now. Ugh, this is kind of an emotional post, when I tend to be p. reserved in this thread (except about things like "the mod broke" or "well i just doomed rome by getting all our mans killed, please advise") and not talk about myself much. But I want to be transparent about the mod's progress. And this is where I'm at, with the mod's progress (i.e., too sad and scared to want to think about the sorts of things the mod is about). I don't really know what to do. Empress Theonora fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 04:25
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Take your time and take care of yourself.
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Good luck. You've created a wonderful world and story here, and if this is the end, it was more than worth it. But take your time, and when you feel up to it, I'm looking forward to seeing facism and out-of-control corporatism meet their long overdue ends.
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Nov 11, 2016 04:36
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Good luck and stay safe.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:59
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Clearly the solution is to just skip to Stellaris and then, in that time frame, return to the thread's themes of historicity and piecing together biased and incomplete historical accounts into a narrative by following archeologists trying to piece together the events of the Second Great War. Well, probably not.
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Nov 11, 2016 08:26
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Play something with a lighter tone and make it in-universe fiction published during the war.
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Nov 11, 2016 09:07
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1936-1948 just modelled entirely in OOTP Baseball.
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Nov 11, 2016 09:17
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Stellaris aliens find a Baseball Almanac in the ruins of old Earth.
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Rince look after yourself and do whatever you've got to do with the LP. I want to say though - you've created a world where men and women came together to fight monarchy and oppression and fascism, and won, and will win, and will build their world together for all. I thank you for it. You should be proud of that - and should remember that life imitates art. It will get better, fight and make it better. Don that Phrygian cap, cry out for liberty, freedom and Byzantium!
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Rince, I'd like to join in on the folks stating that you've done a wonderful job making this story and playing these games (even if there've been some hiccups). It's been so much fun participating in this LP, and the couple years you've been running this, this thread's almost always managed to be a highlight of my day. I don't blame you wanting needing to take a break from working on this, given recent events making it hit close to home. Thank you for playing this, and putting up with us, especially at our worst and most  .Just know that if you ever do feel like continuing, this girl will be among the people eagerly reading through this fantastic and hopeful world you've been building.
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I know just how you feel Rince, you gotta take care of yourself though, as fun as this all is it's not exactly up there with your wellbeing and health!
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Take care of yourself, first and foremost. We'll still be here when/if you feel like continuing.
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Of course. Although, real talk for a moment, some advice. In your position I would give off the actual grunt work to a team or something, and stick to a supervisory role, making it known what you want done and having final yes/no on everything the team does. It being so close to home, delegating some or most of the ground-level stuff is the best way to work on it without it just being too upsetting for you. At that point, you basically have two options: 1) Give up. Bin it, either for now, or permanently. Nobody would blame you if you went this route. 2) Take ByzLP and your art in general and make it a weapon of subversiveness. Ratchet up the anti-fascism in it and turn it into a tool of protest. Many artists have gone this route in times like this and there's no reason you can't. I think it's a worthy goal, and I'd support your decision either way but I'd be happy to help if you decided to. Above all, though, be safe. You know we're all in your corner.
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The Socialist European Caliphate versus Fascist America go!
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I know what you mean. The rise of Islamaphobia in this country has slowly eroded my will to make my Rise of Islam mod. Stay safe.
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Empress Theonora posted:yeah  I believe these things are only fun when the writer is having fun, at least that's the way it feels for me. These things aren't obligations and I think its always worth the wait for the best ones. You inspired me considerably when it comes to my own LP on here, so even if you never write another update, I am grateful for this one and applaud what stands as is as one of the best on here.
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You're a great writer and by all indications a better person. Take care of yourself. If it means putting emotionally taxing content like this on a long hiatus, do it! I'm also probably not the only one thinking right now about how to support the values I want to see fight back in my country, and I think your art and writing has real power. If you ever decide to set a up patreon, count me in!
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Flesnolk posted:Of course. Although, real talk for a moment, some advice. In your position I would give off the actual grunt work to a team or something, and stick to a supervisory role, making it known what you want done and having final yes/no on everything the team does. It being so close to home, delegating some or most of the ground-level stuff is the best way to work on it without it just being too upsetting for you. At that point, you basically have two options: You know what? I think this is the way to do it. Going it alone is daunting, but with some help, I think I can just about get this thing moving again!  I've gone ahead and made a GitHub project and set up a Discord to coordinate the modding effort, and if you know about HoI or Paradox modding, your help would be very much appreciated. As dispirited as I am right now by, well, by everything, everyone's extremely kind posts are a reminder that being able to complete this story is very important to me, and I think I can manage it if I'm not shouldering the burden of modding alone. 
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i've never owned or played a paradox game so i can't help with modding instead i'll say; good luck!
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I think I speak for us all when I say we've been impressed by your work and story telling, Rince. I understand how things are... overwhelming, to say the least. Take your time, and do not hurt yourself, least if all over this. We're all proud of you.
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I can't mod either so I can only give you moral support, but I just wanted to say this LP is cool as hell and deserves a triumphant sendoff rather than a dispirited whimper. Momentum for gay marriage in the US really hit its stride in the Bush years, so peoples values and support networks aren't going to erode overnight. Don't be defeated without a fight.
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I'm working on aces as one of my projects, if anybody would like a shoutout to their old senators or anything else in particular let me know.
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PROGRESS UPDATE Ah, Gaul! True heirs to the glory of Rome!  What's this? Corporate greed has no place in our Empire, surely Lucienne is some harmless fool.  Mon dieu! So yeah, Pangalist ministers and Pangalism drift events work! Don't mind the ugly white splotches on the new ministers - it's an image editing thing, something to do with Photoshop. We'll fix it before the mod is actually ready to be played. Thought people might like to see a bit of the progress we've made so far.
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So, this mod will be based on a four-ideology axis, then?
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:So, this mod will be based on a four-ideology axis, then? Yeah-- or technically five, if you count the standard HoI 4 "neutrality" ideology, which in byzLP mostly consists of the remaining reactionary dictatorships and absolutist monarchies (Scandinavia et al).
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Empress Theonora posted:Yeah-- or technically five, if you count the standard HoI 4 "neutrality" ideology, which in byzLP mostly consists of the remaining reactionary dictatorships and absolutist monarchies (Scandinavia et al). 5? If memory serves: 1) The Valerian Not!Fascists; 2) The Red Rose Pact Communists; 3) The Black-and-Yellow Pangalists; 4) The Democratic League of Liberalism; 5) The Coalition of Absolute and Neutral States (CANS for short) Or am I just confused about things?
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