Blood in the Bosphorus: A Byzantium Paradox Mega-Campaign

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Sleep of Bronze: Feb 9, 2013; If I could only somewhere find Aias, master of the warcry, then we could go forth and again ignite our battle-lust, even in the face of the gods themselves.

Clayren posted:

Flag needs to have KQR on it, for "King/Komnenos Of Rome". Because who cares about a cruddy senate or the inbred yokel people?

And the Q's meant to stand for?

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JT Jag: Aug 30, 2009; #1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Sleep of Bronze posted:

And the Q's meant to stand for?

The Q stands for nothing here. In SPQR, it is part of the initialism for the Latin word for people.

# ? Jan 23, 2014 22:05

Ofaloaf: Feb 15, 2013

Sleep of Bronze posted:

And the Q's meant to stand for?

King of Questionable Romanitas

# ? Jan 23, 2014 22:19

Sleep of Bronze: Feb 9, 2013; If I could only somewhere find Aias, master of the warcry, then we could go forth and again ignite our battle-lust, even in the face of the gods themselves.

JT Jag posted:

The Q stands for nothing here. In SPQR, it is part of the initialism for the Latin word for people.

No, it stands for -que, a suffix conjunction. Senatus Populusque - People and Senate. And 'and' doesn't fit in Komnenos of Rome, so I was wondering what it was other than que. (Though really the Empire's been on Hellenic language administration for so long now that even a deliberate reference to the old SPQR would be in Greek, like my mocking suggestion.)

# ? Jan 23, 2014 22:25

Morrow: Oct 31, 2010

We should go North, claim Russia for Christ and gain some allies.

# ? Jan 23, 2014 22:36

Empress Theonora: Feb 19, 2001; She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

: All right, enough faffing about! Let's put this to a vote.

(OOC: I'll be able to clean up and resize whichever wins, so don't let formatting or whatever influence your vote-- just the concepts)

A: The Chi Ro

PROS: Simple. Strong brand recognition. This particular design literally made by a member of the Komnenos family, so an excellent source of brownie points for a Senate hungry for legitimacy.
CONS: So AD 310s.

B: The Actually A Flag

Thanqol posted:

Flagchat:

I have no historical basis or anything for this, I just thought the colours looked pretty.

This one's a bit communist-y, but so were the original Roman flags I guess.

EDIT: The red symbolises the clay that was unjustly stolen from glorious srjba

PROS: Unique; a new flag for a new era. Second variant will look great after the inevitable victory of Communism centuries from now.
CONS: Purple dye still very expensive; usurpers might steal it and fashion it into a crude imperial cloak.

C: The Labarum

JT Jag posted:

The Chi Rho is a proud symbol, but one I fear may lack the imperial majesty required of the arms of the Roman Empire. On its own, at least. What I suggest is that we go by a true symbol of antiquity, the one proudly used by Constantine the Great himself: the labarum.

The labarum, of course, was Constantine's personal military standard, a symbol of the might of the Empire at its peak. The only question here is how one might go about turning it into a banner for the empire. My suggestion is approximately this:

If anyone wants to take a better shot at this idea feel free. I think I kind of mangled it.

edit: I decided to put a few more minutes into it, here's a much improved version.

PROS: If we're going to harken back to Constantine, we might as well go all the way, right? Since Constantine totally had a vision from God and used this banner at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge in an event that was in no way apocryphal.
CONS: Constantine didkind of murder half his family that one time. Three discs call to mind Constantine's three useless sons.

D: The Laurel Wreath

StrifeHira posted:

All right might as well put words into pictures:

New flag idea. Chi-Rho with laurel crown, gold border. Though I'm liking that labarum idea too, maybe throw that on?

PROS: Call to mind imperial glories to put those westerners on notice, but with a Chi Ro to remind everyone who's still boss. Attractive gold border.
CONS: Laurel wreaths? Ancient traditions dating back to the dawn of the Greek peoples? A longstanding symbol of Roman military prowess? Sounds awful... pagany, doesn't it?

:siren:

Voting's done in 24 hours, so chop chop! :siren:

# ? Jan 24, 2014 05:26

Flesnolk: Apr 11, 2012

Well put that way, D.

# ? Jan 24, 2014 05:29

AnAnonymousIdiot: Sep 14, 2013

I'm going for D. It shows that we're bringing back the Glory of Rome. :hist101:

# ? Jan 24, 2014 05:31

Thanqol: Feb 15, 2012; because our character has the 'poet' trait, this update shall be told in the format of a rap battle.

I'm voting B not because I made it but because I want wearing the flag to become the de-facto uniform of Roman Emperors after the revolution.

# ? Jan 24, 2014 05:37

Freudian: Mar 23, 2011

Constantine, Caesar, Christ, and Conquest!

# ? Jan 24, 2014 05:38

Meinberg: Oct 9, 2011; inspired by but legally distinct from CATS (2019)

Clearly the proper answer is A.

It's almost like you guys don't want to be put into the official histories.

# ? Jan 24, 2014 05:39

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

A is the best.

Pagany is a bad thing.

# ? Jan 24, 2014 05:42

sniper4625: Sep 26, 2009; Loyal to the hEnd

Byzantiny Vote Count

code:

A	2
B	3
C	3
D	5

sniper4625 fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Jan 24, 2014

# ? Jan 24, 2014 05:46

StrifeHira: Nov 7, 2012; I'll remind you that I have a very large stick.

Bah, the laurels are a sign of victory! And with the Chi-Rho there it's victory for Jesus! You want to win victories for Jesus, don't you?

Then vote for D. For Jesus. For Rome. :hist101:

# ? Jan 24, 2014 05:48

Pyroi: Aug 17, 2013; gay elf noises

I vote for B, because we must not be held back by the shackles of the past. A fresh new design that doesn't include the Chi-ro is the wisest choice for the Emperor who wishes to be remembered throughout all of history.

# ? Jan 24, 2014 05:56

Luhood: Nov 13, 2012

Useless sons? Sounds like CK2 alright! C to it! :hist101:

# ? Jan 24, 2014 05:57

mcclay: Jul 8, 2013; Oh dear oh gosh oh darn; Soiled Meat

D
For the Glory of Rome.

# ? Jan 24, 2014 06:05

Gygaxian: May 29, 2013

C. Simple, effective, and yet more than just the Chi-Ro.

# ? Jan 24, 2014 06:26

GenderSelectScreen: Mar 7, 2010; I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME; College Slice

# ? Jan 24, 2014 06:29

tallboarLittlehand: Sep 7, 2011

D has my vote and man is Sniper fast to arrive when a vote comes up.

# ? Jan 24, 2014 06:30

sniper4625: Sep 26, 2009; Loyal to the hEnd

tallboarLittlehand posted:

D has my vote and man is Sniper fast to arrive when a vote comes up.

Only for threads I like reading! Of which this is one.

# ? Jan 24, 2014 06:35

Blackunknown: Oct 18, 2013

D because pagan Rome is the best Rome, Hellenic Glory for the warriors of Byzantium!

# ? Jan 24, 2014 06:37

JT Jag: Aug 30, 2009; #1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Of course I vote for C.

# ? Jan 24, 2014 06:38

Vander: Aug 16, 2004; I am my own hero.

Gotta vote D!

# ? Jan 24, 2014 06:44

ninjahedgehog: Feb 17, 2011; It's time to kick the tires and light the fires, Big Bird.

# ? Jan 24, 2014 07:09

The Sandman: Jun 23, 2013; Okay!

So, I've, like, designed a really sweet attack plan that I'm calling Attack Plan Ded Moroz, like "Deadmau5!"

WUB!

B, a new flag for a new era.

As for the subject of our neighbors to the east, I agree on the "stab key members of the Sultanate until the whole thing collapses into anarchy" plan, as well as the "revassalize the remaining Orthodox nations of the East, like Cilicia and Georgia". However, an additional thought occurs.

Why not retake Sicily and southern Italy from those uncouth barbarian Normans? It's rich land, traditionally Roman (because who the hell is this 'Byzantium', we're the ~~Eastern~~ Roman Empire), and safe from marauding Turks.

# ? Jan 24, 2014 07:30