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Kanos posted:
This, 100%. Playing optimally is so tedious. I just steamrolled the main campaign on normal on a rogue with an icy kill and a projection ego randart. Spammed leeching poison everywhere and it was fun as hell being a sneaky poison vampire who could only really be killed if I didn't have my poisons on enough targets. Yeah it was a poo poo build on a poo poo class but it's more fun than constantly having to fiddle with everything just to not get oneshot. Scouting, reading every rare talent list, carefully retreating and re-gearing for resists is so unbearable.
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Is it generally a good idea to go heavy armor, except on classes that have talents that disable when wearing heavy armor? Like Mobility classes.
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Jun 16, 2018 13:05
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Yes. It's super useful on paradox mage for example
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Jun 16, 2018 13:24
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Kanos posted:Eh, I don't really agree in personal experiences with both. Nightmare has a much smoother curve off the ground than either other difficulty(normal levels you entirely too slowly and insane virtually requires you to do silly NPC drowning or get a tool/charm that shoots bolts on many classes) and aside from some potential difficulty spikes that exist across all difficulties(Nur, Dark Crypt, High Peak, etc) is fairly auto-pilotable without needing to do things like constantly scout or do gear swaps for specific opponent types. You can achieve a comfortable win rate on Nightmare without ever dabbling in stuff like Track or Arcane Eye or Charm Mastery if you don't want to interact with that degree of fiddliness/micromanagement. Insane punishes you pretty hard for laziness like that unless you're playing the most brutally powerful classes. You don't have to do any of that on Insane. To paraphrase bpat "mistakes on Insane are mistakes on Nightmare and Normal, those difficulties just punish you less." What usually kills me on Insane is refusing to / taking too long to retreat from combat (after having ample chances) or, rarely, just not being able to get away from a given enemy because it has better mobility and debuffs than I do. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Jun 16, 2018 |
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Jun 16, 2018 16:16
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:You don't have to do any of that on Insane. To paraphrase bpat "mistakes on Insane are mistakes on Nightmare and Normal, those difficulties just punish you less." The only actual punishment is dying, so a 'lesser' punishment isn't a punishment at all which means it really isn't even a mistake any more. Plus a lot of 'mistakes' are just picking non-optimal talents/classes/races/not doing extremely boring things like using charms and scouting 24/7. A lot of classes and abilities are 'bad' on insane but are 'good enough' on nightmare/normal, which is why I prefer them.
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Jun 17, 2018 06:42
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:You don't have to do any of that on Insane. To paraphrase bpat "mistakes on Insane are mistakes on Nightmare and Normal, those difficulties just punish you less." The only punishment state in ToME is death; it's not like fighting an encounter suboptimally means that you're burning consumables or limited use abilities that you might need later' all that matters is if you get through it alive or not. Being punished less than "death" means you survived and it turns out you weren't punished at all. When you hit a certain level of power on a good build on a strong class on Nightmare you can often bulldoze your way through ridiculously stupid situations like the Doomguy while E1M1 plays in the background. Sometimes I'll neglect to look at a rare and assume he'll get steamrolled and then I'll get smacked for 80% of my HP and reassess and actually press my active defensive buttons and recover. On Insane, the substantially increased number of randbosses/rares and their higher levels means that instead of taking 80% of my HP and being able to rally, I would die then and there. The reputation of Insane being a difficulty where scouting is necessary is because of the increased incidence of rares and randbosses. To be honest, I really hate how common rares are as a general point because they're so absolutely random and swingy based on your class and situation. A brand new character in Trollmire runs into a Bulwark Mite Swarm; if he's a physical class and doesn't have a bolt tool, he's probably dead because he can't outrun it or outfight it. If he's a mage class he nukes it once and moves on with his life. Kanos fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Jun 17, 2018 |
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Jun 17, 2018 09:20
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Kanos posted:To be honest, I really hate how common rares are as a general point because they're so absolutely random and swingy based on your class and situation. A brand new character in Trollmire runs into a Bulwark Mite Swarm; if he's a physical class and doesn't have a bolt tool, he's probably dead because he can't outrun it or outfight it. If he's a mage class he nukes it once and moves on with his life. Both of your specific complaints are addressed in 1.6 - mite swarms are less bullshit on randoms and the first few areas are less absurd on insane. Gobbeldygook fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Jun 17, 2018 |
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Jun 17, 2018 13:55
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And perhaps most importantly, Track has a duration equal to its cooldown in 1.6. There will be little reason not to keep it active at all times.
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Jun 17, 2018 14:41
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Got my first normal roguelike win as a melee mindslayer. At a certain point around dreadfell you become an unkillable blender. I almost rerolled to nightmare after bump attacking my way through the prides and high peak.
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Baiku posted:Got my first normal roguelike win as a melee mindslayer. At a certain point around dreadfell you become an unkillable blender. I almost rerolled to nightmare after bump attacking my way through the prides and high peak. Fun fact about Mindslayer: You know how becoming a follower of Zigur prevents you from ever touching arcane-powered equipment? Well, the extra weapon you wield via Beyond The Flesh floats around in the air -- you don't really touch it. So there's nothing preventing you from mixing Antimagic with very powerful 2-handers like The Blighted Maul. That thing is absolutely disgusting when Frenzied Focus is active. Magitek fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Jun 18, 2018 |
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Jun 18, 2018 07:09
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Go for Legacy of the Naloren and wield it with the Trident of Tides which is conviently dropped by the water dragon in the flooded cave. Alternatively try Hydra's Bite with frenzied focus, since each hit affects two extra targets and has a chance to trigger one of three breath attacks. Makes fighting large groups absolutely ridiculous.
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Jun 18, 2018 14:03
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Baiku posted:Got my first normal roguelike win as a melee mindslayer. At a certain point around dreadfell you become an unkillable blender. I almost rerolled to nightmare after bump attacking my way through the prides and high peak. Do you mind posting the char / your build strategy? I've tried melee Mindslayers before and remember struggling at a certain point.
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Jun 18, 2018 17:38
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Decided to roll a Ogre Bulwark but I can't figure out how the gently caress I am supposed to level enough with this penalty.
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Jun 24, 2018 23:48
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Be more efficient in your skill selections, mostly.
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Jun 24, 2018 23:59
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I'm on par with what I need to have, but lvl 20 and have cleared everything before Dreadfell. HERE GOES NOTHING.
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Jun 25, 2018 00:08
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If you're playing on Normal you will probably just straight-up not reach level 50 without farportal shenanigans or similar grinding tactics. You also don't really need to hit 50 to win, though.
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Jun 25, 2018 00:11
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Yeah the last Bulwark I got close was a Cornac at lvl 44, but his DPS wasn't there and he couldn't get past an absorbtion shield one of the Prides had. Was a pity because I really liked that guy!
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Jun 25, 2018 01:25
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My last Bulwark was a Ghoul who got all the way to end bosses, effectively unkillable with heals and shields, a monstrous chunk of hp, more global speed than non-ghouls, 30+ resist all and 70 resists in most other places, except Arcane resistance, which was at 0 throughout the run. The last fight was a tragic reminder that you can come far neglecting some defenses (especially when you can just teleport or outrun most fights) but in the end it can catch up to you. Also they pierced my 100% blind resistances somehow, I know Wet effects lowers stun resists, but what happened to my Blindresist to make me go insta blind every 10 turns or so?
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Jun 25, 2018 02:15
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You know what I love? I love when you go to the Tinker training cave and instead of like four pushover robots there are 30 super killer robots.
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Jun 25, 2018 09:49
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CoE feels like a joke character, like the Dan to Paradox Mage's Ryu. It has so many skills, but 80% of them are passives, making your play insanely monotonous. Its best trees are all locked. It has no built-in resists to any element or debuff (good luck casting Switch or Suspend, ever), your movement skills both require setup, and oh, and it hurts itself constantly. I don't know how this thing is supposed to work once Infusions get dumpstered; best you can do is spam Track and pull enemies from really far with Dark Whispers to get around your terrible cooldowns, but if you go down some stairs and you're surrounded by bosses, you're SoL. It's really too bad that both Cults classes are such boring, terrible letdowns.  At least I can still wind up the ol' buzzsaws.
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Magitek posted:Fun fact about Mindslayer: You know how becoming a follower of Zigur prevents you from ever touching arcane-powered equipment? Well, the extra weapon you wield via Beyond The Flesh floats around in the air -- you don't really touch it.  now this is why I really enjoy this game
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Bleu posted:CoE feels like a joke character, like the Dan to Paradox Mage's Ryu. This sums up all of my experimentation with the class. I could see ways to make it work, but the entire time I just felt like I was playing a lovely and crippled Paradox Mage without half the payoff.
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Kanos posted:This sums up all of my experimentation with the class. I could see ways to make it work, but the entire time I just felt like I was playing a lovely and crippled Paradox Mage without half the payoff. 
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Bleu posted:CoE feels like a joke character, like the Dan to Paradox Mage's Ryu. It has so many skills, but 80% of them are passives, making your play insanely monotonous. Its best trees are all locked. It has no built-in resists to any element or debuff (good luck casting Switch or Suspend, ever), your movement skills both require setup, and oh, and it hurts itself constantly. I don't know how this thing is supposed to work once Infusions get dumpstered; best you can do is spam Track and pull enemies from really far with Dark Whispers to get around your terrible cooldowns, but if you go down some stairs and you're surrounded by bosses, you're SoL. Yeah, I'm kind of hoping they get an overhaul of some kind because so far Cults is a bit of a letdown compared to the other two DLCs.
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Jul 3, 2018 02:23
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Cults has left my reputation for making broken OP classes in RUINS
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Jul 3, 2018 10:10
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WO’s strength is probably fine  it has mobility, resistance, and damage - it just has two useless trees and is kind of boring to play. CoE doesn’t have any of those, unless we’re counting “moving Corruptor up the tier lists” as mobility.
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CoE was my class, although I submitted it as a first draft and left it with others to polish and balance. Some highlights of version 1.0: - Nether had Riftcutter inflict a -30% resistall debuff, Spatial Distortion did more damage and had a 40% slow attached to it - Dark Whispers/Sanity Warp did about twice as much damage, Cacophony silenced, and Hallucinations had a higher spawn rate - Nullmail gave armor hardiness and more armor, Black Monolith pulsed an AoE daze, Essence Reave restored twice as many stars - Reverse Entropy used to give flat DR based on a % of entropy, and Entropic Gift had base damage on top of it's entropy scaling - Swap would also steal buffs from enemies, and Accelerate gained insanity - Atrophy also gave you stats equal to the stolen value - ZPE gave +damage% per rift, and both it Quantum Tunneling also gave unique buffs for the special rifts - Unravel Existence used to be a castable debuff that caused applied debuffs to inflict %life damage, and summoned the herald when it hit 5 stacks, All is Dust removed sustains - Prophecy of Ruin did it's damage in radius 2 and was a % of missing life, Madness both increased talent CD and placed talents on CD on talent use, and Treason caused enemies to apply a damage link effect
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Jul 3, 2018 20:37
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Bleu posted:WO’s strength is probably fine  ... I pray for all the weaker classes
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Razakai posted:CoE was my class, although I submitted it as a first draft and left it with others to polish and balance. Some highlights of version 1.0: All of those seem like they should go back in the class  Especially the ones for the generally awful Timethief tree. Also, I didn't remember to complain about it, but it would be nice if the new classes got a couple egos associated with them, too, like the way Manastreaming or Bloodlich or all those useless mindstars exist. Why not a staff affix that produces insanity on crits? Give it -mental save and +dark/temporal, or something, and make it greater.
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Bleu posted:WO’s strength is probably fine I feel like I need to savor this burn like a fine wine. Razakai posted:CoE was my class, although I submitted it as a first draft and left it with others to polish and balance. Some highlights of version 1.0: ... Yeah that would have been a Razakai class, alright. I want most of these back, especially the Dark Whispers ones, because holy poo poo that tree is a sad pathetic fart in its current incarnation. Kanos fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jul 3, 2018 |
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Jul 3, 2018 22:05
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was Shibari involved in this balance pass because that's what it looks like
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Shibari did a lot of work on Cults, yes. At this point I'm probably not going to touch Cults much. Have submitted a brand new class for main game, have a Skirmisher rework, a class for a future DLC and Eternal Darkness 2.0 to do, so lots on my list.
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Cultist is fun for a bit, but I felt like *all* of it's power was baked into the Herald. Every fight quickly devolved into just going through the motions to summon it and maybe build up a nice entropy sundae to share with something while it lawnmowered through the prides.
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Jul 4, 2018 12:57
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On the plus side, the Cults races seem rad. Drem Rogue has been a shitton of fun so far, frenzy seems redonkulous. Also the other one (un-Ogre?) seems like it could also be really good for rogue/etc with dual-wielding 1handers
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Falcon2001 posted:On the plus side, the Cults races seem rad. Drem Rogue has been a shitton of fun so far, frenzy seems redonkulous. Also the other one (un-Ogre?) seems like it could also be really good for rogue/etc with dual-wielding 1handers Drem are just fun. Who doesn’t like the ol’ Double Dip? Krog Rogue probably isn’t your best choice because you have access to Lethality and because there are some fantastic arcane daggers. Marauders, on the other hand...
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Wow, I have had a completely different experience with Cultist. It's a really fun design, and imho very strong. There is definitely a learning curve as most trees require their capstone ability to perform and you can get lost by lightly dipping into multiple trees without going far enough to make them actually work, but I feel like that complexity is ok for the 3rd DLC this late into the game's lifespan. I built my first one fairly poorly just messing around and still slam dunked the main campaign on Insane/adventurer, though I was admittedly totally unprepared for the new postgame boss. I played fairly casually, ignored the Herald as anything but a nice random bonus if an encounter went on too long, and had a pretty chill game. It plays like a true controller in that you need to really be proactive about how you set up fights, but it rewards you for that proactiveness by making most encounters almost trivial after the first couple rounds, and Void Stars gives you that up-front survivability to stay in long enough for everything to kick off. I greatly enjoy the defensive flow of managing void stars. Prophecies are extremely cool, I love having to choose and sculpt my play around those several really powerful but mutually exclusive defense options in Revelation, and being able to swap them around lets you experiment or adapt without opportunity cost. I adore Razakai's classes, but I feel the nerfs in the release version are almost all well deserved, fair, and on the whole improved the class. It's going to be a new favorite for me (alongside Paradox Mage and Psyshot) for doing stupid challenge conduct insane runs. Probably my only quibbles with the class as it currently exists are: Netherblast is basically worthless atm, it's fine for there to be a simple "basic attack" but it could really benefit from having something interesting about it, smite targeting perhaps, or at least accurately report that its projectile speed is not in fact instant! Entropic Gift has some potentially abusable un-fun uses, though not as bad an offender as some other things that are still in the game, and the class plays just fine ignoring it so I don't think it needs changing. Switch sad to say needs a complete redesign rather than the received nerf (there's a nerf complaint for y'all) since without the buff steal it's just a boring inferior Suspend, and trying to use a non-instant talent as a status cleanse is pure suffering. Speaking of Suspend, it currently doesn't work as advertised but is still extremely powerful: what it actually does is time prison only you while all your DoT's tick down on enemies, at full investment that's 6 turns of invulnerability/cooldown reduction/status effect timeout while enemies are still taking damage. I really like this (unintended?) effect, and it feels flavorfully iconic for the class, but as it is now it is very confusing because it behaves quite differently from the description. Oh, and Terminus is ridiculous bullshit but it's far too cool and fun to nerf, plz never take away my "clear the whole screen then spend 3 free turns victory dancing." My first run is here: https://te4.org/characters/5574/tome/4c3c7ea9-8d13-4580-a194-622f729beeab off the top of my head big things I'd definitely change are way less investment in Netherblast, more in Dark Whispers+Cacophony, and while leveling I really did myself a disservice by 1) underestimating our lord and savior Monolith 2) not going for the 2 void stars gain breakpoint on Essence Reave sooner.
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Can someone help me? I am a dumb who is also a bad. I keep trying to play Possessors on normal and I keep dying. I can't kill a drat thing. I posses, like, a Stone Troll and then it doesn't do anything. I still can't kill poo poo. Rare monsters tear me to pieces. Bosses tear me to pieces. More than two guys at once? To pieces. The only guide I found doesn't seem to help much, it focuses on what you're doing once you've already got plenty of power and are humming along. Any help would be appreciated.
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Falcon2001 posted:On the plus side, the Cults races seem rad. Drem Rogue has been a shitton of fun so far, frenzy seems redonkulous. Also the other one (un-Ogre?) seems like it could also be really good for rogue/etc with dual-wielding 1handers Krog is good, but not for their dual wielding shenanigans. Mostly because they have an easy to apply stun that's attachable to anything that does damage, can conditionally reset their infusions, and have a 20-40% damage reduction that lets them reset their stun party. I'm not quite sure all that makes up for being forced into antimagic, but I've got a Krog Cursed I'm calling a win (finished two prides, am bored of cursed because holy poo poo i hate this class) that's been... not completely terrible, difficulty wise.
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Helion posted:Can someone help me? I am a dumb who is also a bad. http://forums.te4.org/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=48025 If so this is what you're missing quote:The drowning start - I refer to this a lot, the standard form is "restart until you get a Last Hope with a boss spawn, swap positions with rare/unique/boss NPCS until they're in the water, then they drown, you get XP and steal their stuff." The Possessor form is "clear an area near the water, either by walking commons out of LOS and out of hearing, or by drowning them. Then, one at a time, walk over a rare/unique/boss and, when they are about to die (usually ~25% life bar left unless Blurred Mortality or similar skill is in effect), hit them with Possess, get XP, a host, and stuff." You may choose to wait on killing a boss NPC until you can Possess them, use the alternative Cornac build for early boss possession, take the XP and ignore the body, or start-scum for a Unique instead of a Boss. edit: a popular add-on starts you off with a wand of asphyxiation that lets you point and click drown NPC's in towns. Gobbeldygook fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Jul 8, 2018 |
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I guess I just hoped that if I played on normal I could go without that drowning stuff.
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