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18 stayed about the same which meant she was stronger than everyone but Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Gotenks. And Buu obviously.
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AlternateNu posted:She didn't become a human again until after the Cell Games, and they wished for her to turn back into a human. She was (more or less) a cyborg before that. We never do see just how far Gero had to modify 17 and 18 or how much of their bodies remain flesh, but 18 was human enough to have babies and to fuse with Cell (Cell couldn't absorb 16 because he was just a robot). She's just as human as Tao Pai Pai.
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Feb 3, 2014 03:53
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It's a pity that Toriyama never even tried to explain how Krillin won #18 over. I mean, he honestly admits he just can't write romance at all and that's why, but still, even a gag manga would work.
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Feb 3, 2014 04:30
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WhiffleballDude posted:18 stayed about the same which meant she was stronger than everyone but Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Gotenks. And Buu obviously. Piccolo too I guess.
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Feb 3, 2014 04:49
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furiouskoala posted:Piccolo too I guess. Nah Piccolo would be stronger. He was slightly stronger then 17 even though he could not beat him due to 17 infinite stamina. After this Piccolo did the year of training in 1 day so he would have surpassed 17 and 18 at that point.
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Feb 3, 2014 05:05
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Mister Roboto posted:It's a pity that Toriyama never even tried to explain how Krillin won #18 over. I think whatever jokes Team Four Star makes about the situation is the closest answer we're gonna get.
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Feb 3, 2014 05:19
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I wonder how Team Four Star are going to handle SSJ3 in a few years time when they get to that point? Will it just take up an entire episode by itself with nothing but reaction faces and silly comments by the cast? Or will someone else distract Buu in Goku's place while Goku spends several episodes powering up, the camera cutting to him still doing so once or twice an episode, everything solved by the time he finally finishes. Cannot wait to find out just what they do with that bit in particular. That and Gohan going SSJ2 are probably the bits to most look forward to.
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tsob posted:I wonder how Team Four Star are going to handle SSJ3 in a few years time when they get to that point? Will it just take up an entire episode by itself with nothing but reaction faces and silly comments by the cast? Or will someone else distract Buu in Goku's place while Goku spends several episodes powering up, the camera cutting to him still doing so once or twice an episode, everything solved by the time he finally finishes. Cannot wait to find out just what they do with that bit in particular. That and Gohan going SSJ2 are probably the bits to most look forward to. As fun as a drawn out "Sorry that took so long" joke would be, one of the basic conceits of an Abridged series is that it keeps the plot intact while shortening it and making jokes about it. If we see something like that, it will be executed in a way that won't affect the plot or pacing. And it sure as hell won't take place over several episodes.
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Feb 3, 2014 05:36
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WhiffleballDude posted:Krillin didn't even do anything before that Krillin totally would have killed Nappa if Vegeta hadn't warned him about The Disc. 
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Feb 3, 2014 06:01
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Zonekeeper posted:As fun as a drawn out "Sorry that took so long" joke would be, one of the basic conceits of an Abridged series is that it keeps the plot intact while shortening it and making jokes about it. If we see something like that, it will be executed in a way that won't affect the plot or pacing. And it sure as hell won't take place over several episodes. I'd quite like one 5 minute mini-episode where you get Goku powering up (and yelling) and have all the other characters react to it while the universe shakes like a seizure victim in an earthquake.
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Feb 3, 2014 06:06
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"So I thought fast and I used the Solar Flare on him." "And then used your kienzan to cut him in half?" "Umm..."
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Probably my favorite part about that is how Krillin thinks he is immortal. And then Vegeta thinking OH my god if he used the dragonballs on himself I'M GOING TO MURDER.. That... bastard. Pretty much all of Freeza saga was great, I felt that was when TFS was hitting it's groove. Once they learn not to use references from other shows (which alot of "abridged" series do) they started to roll and it never stopped. The early episodes were weak. I do admit Goku v.s. Vegeta is still my favorite because of that one moment when Goku and Vegeta fire off both their ki blasts. Vegeta saying "THIS IS THE END KAKOROT. You don't stand a chance. I put all my power into this attack. NOW perish with the rest of your pathetic WORLD!" And then you hear.. "KAI O KEN".. "Noooo..." "TIMMEEEEEEES" "NO NO NO." "FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUR" "NONONONONONNONONONFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" Shindragon fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Feb 3, 2014 |
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Torix posted:We never do see just how far Gero had to modify 17 and 18 or how much of their bodies remain flesh, but 18 was human enough to have babies and to fuse with Cell (Cell couldn't absorb 16 because he was just a robot). She's just as human as Tao Pai Pai. It's crazy (and kinda incoherent) how strong a mere human becomes after Gero's modifications, stronger than a base supersaiyan which overpowers Freeza who had a reputation even around the afterlife gods. If we assume 17 and 18 were just regular teenagers imagine how insanely strong people like Krillin or Ten would become after the same modifications.
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I know this is kind of a weird thing for it to be a favorite but I think TFS is at its best when they riff on the inconsistency in DB's story. (and no, I don't mean Vegeta's "power levels are bullshit!" line, even though that was great) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlnyjw5LUj0&t=2m58s Petiso posted:It's crazy (and kinda incoherent) how strong a mere human becomes after Gero's modifications, stronger than a base supersaiyan which overpowers Freeza who had a reputation even around the afterlife gods. If we assume 17 and 18 were just regular teenagers imagine how insanely strong people like Krillin or Ten would become after the same modifications. And you just highlighted a reason why so many people hate the Cell Saga. They feel it was an illogical downgrade since Z had been traveling into space to fight galactic overlords. Now we're back on Earth fighting...the Red Ribbon Army? How the hell did Gero manage this? Cell Saga best Saga for me. Well, best Z Saga, and all Z Saga < DB Saga. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Feb 3, 2014 |
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Petiso posted:It's crazy (and kinda incoherent) how strong a mere human becomes after Gero's modifications, stronger than a base supersaiyan which overpowers Freeza who had a reputation even around the afterlife gods. If we assume 17 and 18 were just regular teenagers imagine how insanely strong people like Krillin or Ten would become after the same modifications. I liked Cell Saga until the Cell Games started.
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Sex_Ferguson posted:I haven't seen a lot of talking about Battle of Z, which is a shame because it's actually surprisingly good. I am very surprised there hasn't been a lot of buzz about it, but given what DBZ games were for quite a while I can imagine why. I made a write-up of my thoughts about it in case anyone is interested to learn about the game. I went to metacritic for shits and giggles and it's gotten panned pretty harshly across the board, made me wonder what the hell, since the trailer made it look like intense fun. So I found out I could download the demo and try it for myself and I feel it got pretty unfairly critiqued, so I plan to pick it up later today. I'm not really sure what review sites are looking for in a game like DBZBoZ. It is the one genre I kinda want to toss up to the "is it fun" category rather than "is it art", which it seems these reviews operate under.
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Zonekeeper posted:As fun as a drawn out "Sorry that took so long" joke would be, one of the basic conceits of an Abridged series is that it keeps the plot intact while shortening it and making jokes about it. If we see something like that, it will be executed in a way that won't affect the plot or pacing. And it sure as hell won't take place over several episodes. He transforms straight into 3, Buu is all slow and "Whaaaaaa?", Goku says "Sorry I did that too quick", reverts to normal, then does the whole "1, 2, beyond" shtick. Buu still doesn't get it so Goku goes through the process again but even slower.
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Petiso posted:It's crazy (and kinda incoherent) how strong a mere human becomes after Gero's modifications, stronger than a base supersaiyan which overpowers Freeza who had a reputation even around the afterlife gods. If we assume 17 and 18 were just regular teenagers imagine how insanely strong people like Krillin or Ten would become after the same modifications. That's just a natural side effect of writing a fighting manga where every villain HAS to be a bigger, stronger threat. In-story, Gero was specifically said to be a genius, too, by Bulma's family...who were supergeniuses already. If you're willing to accept that super-smart Bulma and her father could build giant spaceships, defy the laws of physics, and make TIME MACHINES, another scientist building super-strong androids shouldn't be much of a stretch. Also, Gero was working for many years, and part of DB lore has always been that if you push hard enough, with enough time and training, you will exceed anyone.
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Blue Star posted:Krillin got his rear end kicked by General Blue, But Goku almost got killed by him, too. He had to be saved by freaking Arale.
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Rudoku posted:But Goku almost got killed by him, too. He had to be saved by freaking Arale. Blue's entire character is very odd. He constantly outwits and dominates the heroes and is beaten mainly by multiple examples of dumb luck. And then he's killed off unceremoniously by a tongue. I think Toriyama just wrote himself into a corner with Blue and just got sick of him and needed a Deus Ex way out.
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Blue was definitely superhuman but I never got the impression he could truly rival Goku. His best asset was his paralysis technique. So yeah, I think the point of Tao was to present Goku with someone truly stronger than himself - someone who could push him to the next level. King Piccolo was the best villain in the whole series but Tao was amazing too.
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NikkolasKing posted:I know this is kind of a weird thing for it to be a favorite but I think TFS is at its best when they riff on the inconsistency in DB's story. (and no, I don't mean Vegeta's "power levels are bullshit!" line, even though that was great) I feel that if it would be more logical if Toriyama stuck with the energy absorption concept of the first two androids. They'd start put week but gradually get stronger as they went on, stealing bits of energy from the Z Fighters and others, until they were legit threats, like Cell before he absorbs the androids
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Szmitten posted:He transforms straight into 3, Buu is all slow and "Whaaaaaa?", Goku says "Sorry I did that too quick", reverts to normal, then does the whole "1, 2, beyond" shtick. Okay, To make a SS3 you have to squat down and grunt for about 20 minutes. We've already prepared one so you can see what it ends up like.
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crankdatbatman posted:I feel that if it would be more logical if Toriyama stuck with the energy absorption concept of the first two androids. They'd start put week but gradually get stronger as they went on, stealing bits of energy from the Z Fighters and others, until they were legit threats, like Cell before he absorbs the androids Eventually, even Goku would learn to stop using energy blasts.
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Mister Roboto posted:In-story, Gero was specifically said to be a genius, too, by Bulma's family...who were supergeniuses already. If you're willing to accept that super-smart Bulma and her father could build giant spaceships, defy the laws of physics, and make TIME MACHINES, another scientist building super-strong androids shouldn't be much of a stretch. Haha, true that, now that I think about it, we've seen gods that could move anywhere through space who could resurrect people (by creating dragon balls) yet Bulma is the only one who discovered the secret to travel through time, she's above the friggin' gods. VanSandman posted:Eventually, even Goku would learn to stop using energy blasts. Yeah, but remember they could also absorb energy by grabbing people. 19, 20 and Cell could've certainly kept a degree of coherence since their powers come from the Z-fighters themselves.
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VanSandman posted:Eventually, even Goku would learn to stop using energy blasts. I remember an episode of GT with Super Shoulders 17 who could absorb energy the same way 19 and 20 could. Goku's plan was to constantly shoot kamehamehas at it then try and blow himself up.
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Well, yeah, but GT was stupid.
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Squallege posted:I remember an episode of GT with Super Shoulders 17 who could absorb energy the same way 19 and 20 could. Goku's plan was to constantly shoot kamehamehas at it then try and blow himself up. That was possibly the stupidest thing that happened in all of Dragon Ball, including the rest of non-canon, like movies - and possibly a good percentage of fanfic is less stupid.
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My favorite part of that episode was how Goku realized that 17 was absorbing energy. He says this. And then he does keeps firing, just to be completely certain that this is what he's doing. And then he acts like it's a complete surprise. Basically, I don't want to alarm anyone but I....think GT might have been poorly written!
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GT is the only true canon in my heart.
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Actually, it sorta makes sense... because that actually worked before!
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Prison Warden posted:The thing that has really jumped out to me is how power levels as a concrete thing is something that the fandom and the whole surrounding Dragonball franchise really ran with despite it not really being in the story much at all. Thats because we had to watch the Namek arc like 10 times over. We were experts in power levels by that point.
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Petiso posted:Actually, it sorta makes sense... because that actually worked before! Yes forgetting about the entire !7 has infinite energy so it never would have worked. Giving 17 and 18 energy adsorbers would not be a bad idea as it allows them to protect themselves from Ki attacks with no issue.
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As far as fan comics go, I always liked Little Saiyalings. Kind of like Dragonball crossed with Calvin & Hobbes.
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Caithness posted:As far as fan comics go, I always liked Little Saiyalings. Kind of like Dragonball crossed with Calvin & Hobbes. Mister Roboto posted:No, she was still a cyborg, she just had her self-destruct bomb removed by the dragon.
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Zenzirouj posted:Was that a mistranslation or popular rumor or something? It seems like I always heard conflicting accounts on whether she got turned back into a human or just had the dangerous bits removed. My memory on anything after Namek is comprised of jumbled bits of the scanlated manga, subs, and dubs. The confusion may come from that the progression goes asking for 17 and 18 to be human, the dragon trying and then finding out he couldn't do it, then asking for their bombs to be removed which does work.
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Namtab posted:GT is the only true canon in my heart. RIP Vegeta's mustache.
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a cartoon duck posted:RIP Vegeta's mustache. Do pure blood saiyan's facial hair have the same set style like their hair? If so, Vegeta truly is a high class saiyan.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Yes forgetting about the entire !7 has infinite energy so it never would have worked. Giving 17 and 18 energy adsorbers would not be a bad idea as it allows them to protect themselves from Ki attacks with no issue. 17 and 18 could already protect themselves from ki attacks. 17 used an energy shield when he fought Piccolo.
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a cartoon duck posted:RIP Vegeta's mustache. His flat-top looked sillier than his mustache.
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