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FWIW, I generally like the idea that Strike! goes with, by splitting Blaster off from Controller. The designs I'm working on are kinda unique, in that you can't really give penalties to the enemy, so all forms of support are bonuses to you or your allies and/or just extra attacks or damage against/onto enemies. So effectively, Controller is kinda blurring together with Leader; Blaster kind of exists, though. Kurieg posted:The problem becomes when you completely remove the GM from the combat game with a Psion. Yeah this is a potentially bad time. Hard control makes solo fights too easy, and from a thematic perspective, fighting the titular Dragons in a titular Dungeon should be A Big Deal. Further along in the line, 4e gave solos a bunch of "Nope" abilities to get around the meanest status effects, but IMHO, if you're gonna design something from the ground up, maybe taking things like Stun off the table is a better angle to attack the design from.
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djw175 posted:You can throw Bard/Warlord onto that pile too. Really?? Nice. Bard|Warlord was basically like, the 2nd 4e character I ever played (IIRC) and one of only 2 hybrids I ever did.
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The Crotch posted:What unique flavour does ranger/rogue bring to the table that you can't get out of "rogue who trained nature"? I've played Ranger|Rogue and it's pretty much for if you just wanna be a dude who shoots people really good all the time. Like, you need some feats to get easier access to CA from range, but having Quarry around (for those times when you just can't get Sneak Attack) is handy. The other side of it (for me) was being able to cherry-pick powers with debilities at every level, but this has everything to do with only building the character out of the PHBs; I'm sure you could probably get similar results going straight Rogue and piling on poo poo from Dragon Magazine and/or the Martial Power books.
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Yukari posted:Well, that's cool. I had an idea in the back of my head for how to make the tiefling paladin/warlock, and ended up on having them mostly centered around fire and the avernian knight PP. Since I have to get an at-will from paladin, I was thinking of decking out Virtuous strike with the Arcana domain feat to make it arcane, and then admixturing it with fire in paragon, so I can always proc a Firewind Blade, and to abuse the crap out of white lotus feats, to make following a mark more painful. Avernian knight makes violating a mark do 5+con+cha damage, so violating a mark is pretty painful already. Unfortunately, that's about as far as the idea got as far as concept goes. Is it a workable idea or do you not get enough/any fire powers from paladin to make it worthwhile? This is the 4thiest post I've ever seen, goddamn.
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Sep 13, 2016 18:06
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LightWarden posted:Murdering class skills, giving everyone at least 4 trained skills and letting people pick one or two skills to switch the ability score for does help bridge the lovely skill situation some of the physical classes are in. I wrote up some rules like that, once. P.d0t posted:Primal Classes: You can use your INT modifier in place of your CHA modifier for any CHA checks.
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Oct 11, 2016 03:14
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I've played with a Shaman in the party, and being able to sprinkling the healing around was handy in any sort of non-conventionally structured party. They also can do a bit of MBA granting, though I can't really say how theirs compares to a Warlord; I was playing a Scout at the time, so I appreciated it nonetheless.
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Mechanically, what would you goons say was/is the best way that 4e utilized the design space of Power Sources?
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What are the most common/popular loadouts for Warlocks and their various subclasses, in terms of Ability scores and Trained skills? Are there any particular racial/background skill bonuses that synergize with particular builds or specific powers?
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Oct 30, 2016 09:50
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dont even fink about it posted:The Hexblade and Binder warlocks are in general Not Good to Terrible. not-joke question: What are these classes intended to do, and what do they actually end up doing?
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gradenko_2000 posted:A discussion in the Next thread brought it up, and I wanted to ask if anyone ever used the Class Templates in the DMG in their monster design. Yeah I never used templates; I pretty much did what you describe. I'd find a monster or monsters that kinda looks like what I want it to, figure out what their "thing" is and then just homebrew stuff together using the MM3 stats.
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Nov 6, 2016 03:36
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thespaceinvader posted:I'm not quite sure what you're complaining about here? It's not like 4e monster maths are difficult, you can fit all the calculations on a business card. That IS the universal spell list. Stuff like attack and damage are costed pretty straightforwardly, using "MM3 on a card" it's just stuff like areas and status effects that you kinda have to look at a monster of appropriate level, and reskin ...and hope you didn't pick the level 5 Carrion Crawler that stuns people.
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Nov 21, 2016 02:34
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Gort posted:It does seem reasonable to discuss games inspired by 4e in the 4e thread, honestly. This seems like a perfect opportunity to bring the "Retrocloning 4e thread" out of the cobwebs. While I'm at it, here's a blog where I write about the clone I am working on.
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Klungar posted:Since your concern is combat speed, just tell them everything. It super speeds things up if you know if you hit something or can determine that you have a much better chance to hit of you use a different type of attack, and that you don't need to blow your big attack on a minion or someone with only a few HP left. a good rule is to always let players know which enemies are minions (and/or 2-hit minions, if you're homebrewing those) Letting them know enemy defenses is just a matter of taste; it's more common in PbP, just so people can kinda adjudicate their own turns and someone else can go, rather than waiting on the DM to confirm hits/misses.
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For my homebrew 4e-ish D&D clone, I'm debating a small change to how knowledge skills are doled out. Specifically, power sources granting you a few trained knowledge skills. Context: ability scores are dead; each class gets 2 power sources (with a fair bit of customizability) How does this list look?
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:I kinda feel like 2nd winding in combat is a mistake because it blows your standard. I mean if you absolutely have to, you have to, but getting a heal a minor is so much better. If your options for spending your standard action at a given time are "kill the last thing, thus ending the encounter" or "not die" then yes, but otherwise no. Your statement is also redundant, because you would literally never use 2nd wind out of combat; it's a specifically in-combat ability, because a 5-min Short Rest does better healing out of combat, unless you've for some reason char-opped the poo poo out of your 2nd wind in ways that have no combat application whatsoever (I cannot fathom this scenario.)
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(with an eye towards hacking/cloning) Has anyone here tried having minions auto-hit when they attack PCs? I assume (particularly at higher levels) you would want to scale down the damage, I'm just curious to know if anyone has tried something like this, and has any feedback on how it went and what they would suggest to fine-tune it.
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What's the benchmark for combat encounters per day/Extended Rest in 4e? I used to know, but apparently I've gone senile.
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Ongoing damage basically ended up being worth 1 hit of damage (adjusted per tier) because 'save ends' is basically a coin-flip so you should only expect those effects to last 2 rounds at most, barring save bonuses/penalties (which is a  they never should have opened, IMHO)
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Mar 26, 2017 06:46
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It's almost like you could base a 4e retroclone around the assumption that you hit on a 10+, and then just shitcan all the numbers you add to your attack roll. (plug)
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Speaking of, has anyone played the Witch or Sha'ir classes? What are they like? Is there any meaningful distinction between them and your standard Wizard, or were they literally just an excuse to shovel out more Wizard powers?
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May 17, 2017 16:53
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dont even fink about it posted:Like, we had a rebreather at my table at epic. I find it hilarious how every monster at-will minor-action attack in the history of Essentials has the "1/rd" limitation slapped on it, but this never made it onto dragonbreath, even in errata. 
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May 18, 2017 02:06
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Mordiceius posted:Shamans are cool. Do this.
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I know the general consensus is that "Heroes of Shadow" is poo poo and "Heroes of the Feywild" is a good book, but what's the feeling on "Heroes of the Elemental Chaos" (generally, but in particular the options for specific classes)? e: VVV "CON-secondary" is like a running theme in Essentials, afaict P.d0t fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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Do any of the options add anything meaningfully new, in terms of distinct mechanics or playstyle? Or is it just mostly power-flavours (which in a game so friendly to reskinning seems borderline pointless)?
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What are the best/most fun monsters to fight in 4e? What are the most interesting gimmicks, in terms of the monster design?
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dont even fink about it posted:In my experience most fights are effectively settled in two rounds, so I wouldn't worry about having a mark for every occasion unless you are an obsessive character design maximalist like me.  YMMV (a lot)
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PMush Perfect posted:You could probably just find the Average AC for each level and then add or subtract 2. Level 1 would be something like 14 / 16 / 18 depending on class. Shields would probably still add on top of that, and you could make what would be armor proficiency feats just a straight up +1/+2 to AC as well. Someone just rebuild 4e from the ground up, without the dumbass way they did the numbers progression. I nominate gradenko.
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fog boar posted:tldr: I've been editing 4e for a while based on popular ideas like DTAS and gradenko's bonus chart and other stuff that's been talked about here for years This all sounds cool and good and pretty much exactly what I would want from a 4e successor, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter! PM me here, or if you're on Discord i'm pd0t#1282
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