Fantasy Baseball '014: In Which Yasiel Puig Is Drafted In The First Round

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Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

I guess my thread was that bad, eh?

I'll move my keeper question here:

My (12 team) league has what we call the "Rule of Three." No player drafted in the first three rounds can be kept. Three hitters and three pitchers are eligible to be kept for three years total. Waiver wire pickups are "last round" players.

I leveraged a lot of keeper eligible players to try to win last year & I'm paying the price this year with a mediocre crop of keeper eligible players. Players are kept in their drafted round.

Rules are standard 5x5 plus H & TB for hitters and L and K/BB for pitchers:
Bold is who I'm leaning towards.
Eligible Keepers:
Yasiel Puig - OF - Round 14
Matt Holliday - OF - Round 4
Matt Carpenter - like every goddamned position - Last Round
Josh Donaldson - 3B - Last Round
Curtis Granderson - OF - Round 8
Alfonso Soriano - OF - Last Round
Brad Miller - 2B, SS - Last Round
Jason Castro - C - Last Round
Yan Gomes - C - Last Round

I literally may not keep 3 hitters.

Greg Holland - RP - Last Round (previously kept)
Rafael Soriano - RP - Last Round (previously kept)
Danny Salazar - SP - Last Round
Patrick Corbin - SP - Last Round
Ervin Santana - SP - Last Round
Ubaldo Jimenez - SP - Last Round
Rex Brothers - RP - Last Round
John Lackey - SP - Last Round

My pitchers depend on where Jimenez & Santana land, I suppose. I usually just lockdown a couple of cheap closers and a starter because I have a ton of confidence in finding good, cheap Starting Pitching. I may just roll with Holland/Soriano and one of Salazar/Corbin depending on how Spring Training shakes out.

Like I said, I mortgaged my future to try to win last season (trading Scherzer for Cano & Holliday)

# ¿ Feb 6, 2014 06:12

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 16:48

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

And Magnitude if you want to pop pop this into the OP, it was a brief write-up I did on some resources:

A Brief List of Resources
Websites
Fan Graphs has every tiny little statistic that you could want to evaluate a player, and they have several projections. Careful looking at these, however. Oliver, for example, has no basis in actual playing time as they project most of the league for 600 PA. They also have a fantasy section, Rotographs, to help you out.

Rotoworld has literally all the sports transaction and injury news you could need for fantasy sports. It also has fairly good advice attached to the news.

Fantasy Pros aggregates, grades and orders expert advice and projections. It normalizes for weird biases a specific analyst may have.

Podcasts
My preferred medium, as I don't always have time to read through articles. I mainly listen to four podcasts:
CBSSports.com Fantasy Baseball Today is partially entertainment and partially pretty good analysis. One of the main analysts, Al Melchior, was the #2 most accurate in 2013 projections last year. If you ever wondered what that Nando guy from Fantasyland is up to these days, it's this. Their video show also won an award.

ESPN Fantasy Focus Baseball was traditionally the ranting ground for Matthew Berry, but he and co-host Nate Ravitz stepped aside & frequent contributors Eric Karabell & Tristan Cockcroft have taken over. They're still trying to get their legs under them & it doesn't have much direction. They don't have the cohesion & entertainment value of Berry & Ravitz, but they would probably offer you better advice.

Fangraphs Audio: The Sleeper and the Bust is new for me this year, hosted by Eno Sarris & Jason Collette (as of 2014). It offers very in-depth analysis, and is basically the equivalent of reading fangraphs to you. It's very information dense but very worth the time.

MLB.com Fantasy 411 used to be an incredible daily call-in and email show covering fantasy baseball. It became an MLB Network studio show and is now a twice-a-week (in season) podcast. Mike Schiano & Cory Schwartz are old friends & offer a bit of entertainment. Schwartz is MLB VP of Statistics, so they're not light on information to go with their analysis.

# ¿ Feb 6, 2014 06:16

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

There are weekly fantasy baseball leagues with point values to different outcomes a la fantasy football. That's probably going to be your best bet if you're trying to recreate the fantasy football experience.

# ¿ Feb 13, 2014 15:15

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Fantasy Pros is pretty dope in that regard.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2014 03:13

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Flags Fly Forever is really good... Not a ton of entertainment value though, and not as info dense as fangraphs' offering. Its good stuff... But the last few minutes are an outdo song for some reason

Plus it's named for a Cory Schwartz maxim.

And yes all I do is listen to podcasts. I do auto estimates so its either windshield time or in front of a car. These are in lieu of human contact.

Spoeank fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Feb 18, 2014

# ¿ Feb 18, 2014 03:53

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Is 6 central a firm time? I want to join but I'll still be at work then.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2014 05:28

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Retail Slave posted:

The bad thing about changing a draft time after it's been set is that all the other people who have joined had the original time work for them. If I change it for you, I may screw over several others who may not be able to accommodate the new time.

If you get desperate I may be a last minute addition. My work is almost 100% task-based, so I may be able to be the last person in the league by being done early. I'll keep you in the loop if I can join.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2014 05:44

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

I'm planning on having an ESPN league this year, so that means CI, MI & 5 OF for the first time for me. Just did my first real draft on ESPN. The extra positions & lack of RP slots kind of threw me for a loop. I had #7. 5x5 head to head, 12 team:

C: Jason Castro
1B: Joey Votto
2B: Robinson Cano
3B: Adrian Beltre
SS: Jose Reyes
MI: Asdrubal Cabrera
CI: Brandon Belt
OF: Alex Rios, Hunter Pence, Alex Gordon, Alfonso Soriano, Coco Crisp
Util: Khris Davis

P: Madison Bumgarner, Cole Hamels, Jordan Zimmermann, Mat Latos, Trevor Rosenthal, Sergio Romo, Tony Cingrani, Fernando Rodney, Big Erv

Bn: Nolan Arenado, Dexter Fowler, Alex Wood (NOTHING at the end of the draft).

Meh. It gets weak at the end. Dat infield though :swoon:

Spoeank fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Feb 26, 2014

# ¿ Feb 26, 2014 07:45

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Retail Slave I did not know your league was Auction. I have done zero auction prep. Time to get crushed :smug:

# ¿ Feb 26, 2014 16:32

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Retail Slave posted:

Well, you want to draft all the crappiest pitchers possible and offer anyone of value to your league commissioner.

Seriously, though, each league and each draft is different. You kind of have to go with the flow and see what the other managers are doing then adjust accordingly. I've had leagues where I've had 3 studs and finished 10th, and other leagues where I had a bunch of #2 guys who were consistent and maybe picked up a guy or two along the way, and finished quite high or even won the league. Of course the reverse is true, too. You can set your team up well on draft day, but sometimes the pickups and trades you make during the season are what will win you the league.

Any player who is not drafted will be on waivers immediately after the draft is over. Waiver time in my league is 1 day. I didn't make it immediate just to be fair to those who won't be there tonight in case there's a sleeper player they want. So you'll have to wait til I think Saturday morning before picking up any unclaimed players.

You can change your lineup daily, and it should take effect immediately. However, once the games are played that day, you won't be able to make changes any more. However, you'll be able to set your lineups up to a week in advance.

The key part of an auction draft is the pyschology of your nominations. If the other owners pick up on the fact that you're only nominating guys that you want, the dicks of the group (like me) will artificially drive the price up and try to get you to tap out early. However, if you always nominate guys that you DON'T want, the other managers will pick up on that, too. Mix it up a bit. Nominate a guy you think may be overvalued a bit, then maybe come back with someone you have your eye on.

There is a maximum of 8 transactions per week, just to prevent people from picking up/dropping 2-3 different players every single day, because that gets annoying as poo poo.

Hope this helps.

8 transactions a week? So I actually have to think about my moves? Booo...

# ¿ Feb 27, 2014 22:09

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

In case y'all (in Retail Slave's league) thought I was kidding.

# ¿ Feb 28, 2014 01:30

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

I'll tell you what the cussing was really loving unacceptable.

# ¿ Feb 28, 2014 03:31

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

They're all work stuff. I was drafting and driving. Porn would have been irresponsible :v:

# ¿ Feb 28, 2014 07:44

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Retail Slave posted:

I might need a replacement manager in my league. Sit tight... I'll let you know.

Careful, you will be subjected to curse words.

# ¿ Mar 3, 2014 20:34

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

I'll take the closers :v:

# ¿ Mar 4, 2014 05:18

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Retail Slave posted:

Get someone to take the team and then trade til your heart's content.

I have a friend, uh... Poeank. He wants the team. Yea. That's it.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2014 05:54

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

I ended up drafting on the ends in my Pro league and I do not like it. At all. :stonk:

# ¿ Mar 6, 2014 04:35

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

I am not happy with it. I kept getting caught on the rear end end of runs that left the cupboards bare. And someone stole Khrush Davis from me :argh:

Big League Choo
1. (11) Adam Jones (Bal - OF)
2. (14) Adri�n B�ltre (Tex - 3B)
3. (35) Cliff Lee (Phi - SP)
4. (38) Jos� Reyes (Tor - SS)
5. (59) Aroldis Chapman (Cin - RP)
6. (62) Eric Hosmer (KC - 1B)
7. (83) Mark Trumbo (Ari - 1B,OF)
8. (86) Mike Minor (Atl - SP)
9. (107) Jayson Werth (Was - OF)
10. (110) Shelby Miller (StL - SP)
11. (131) Anthony Rizzo (ChC - 1B)
12. (134) Jedd Gyorko (SD - 2B,3B)
13. (155) Andrew Cashner (SD - SP,RP)
14. (158) Huston Street (SD - RP)
15. (179) Bobby Parnell (NYM - RP)
16. (182) Wilson Ramos (Was - C)
17. (203) Dexter Fowler (Hou - OF) <--- Was supposed to be Khrush Davis
18. (206) Tim Lincecum (SF - SP)
19. (227) Rajai Davis (Det - OF)
20. (230) Brad Miller (Sea - 2B,SS)
21. (251) Drew Smyly (Det - RP)
22. (254) Yan Gomes (Cle - C)
23. (275) Jos� Quintana (CWS - SP)

I went on tilt & drafted Ramos, forgetting my love of Gomes. I drafted Gomes anyway because I have a big crush on him.

Spoeank fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Mar 6, 2014

# ¿ Mar 6, 2014 04:57

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Joey Bats has had declining SLG every year since his crazy year & always gets hurt yet he's still drafted like he is this ridiculous power hitter when he had 2 good seasons.

Also Razzball's writing style is insufferable, holy poo poo.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2014 17:51

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

RIP Kris Medlen. Just exploded his elbow.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2014 19:31

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Just, like, 20 games a year. Be reasonable, Baltimore :argh:

# ¿ Mar 11, 2014 07:13

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

I don't know where else to put this but Nando di Fino is leaving CBS Fantasy.

He's the best. :smith:

# ¿ Mar 13, 2014 01:50

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Matthew Berry's 100 ~~Cherry Picked Stats & Arbitrary End Points~~ Facts is up.

"74. In the past three seasons, there have been only three pitchers who have had at least 191 strikeouts each year and an ERA of 3.37 or lower: Clayton Kershaw, Cliff Lee and Madison Bumgarner."

Dat criteria. :allears:

# ¿ Mar 13, 2014 14:38

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

When's the general draft time/date plan? If it fits in my schedule I'll bite the bullet.

poo poo, I always get stomped in goon leagues anyway. I'm used to it. :suicide:

# ¿ Mar 15, 2014 04:46

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

If it's 5 Pacific or later on a weekday I'll take the spot.

I had to draft & drive coming home from work in Retail Slave's league. Not the smartest move.

# ¿ Mar 15, 2014 05:02

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:

RIP Corbin.

He's one of my keepers in my draft in 5 hours. gently caress.

# ¿ Mar 16, 2014 18:16

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Rand alPaul posted:

Question! My league needs one more owner before we can draft, and I want to add someone sooner rather than later. The team left is quite a rebuilder, it has basically Cano and Chris Davis and nothing else.

Anyone think I'm likely to find an owner for this team?

If not, I was going to take it over, and then offer my team up instead. It's way better (McCutchen, Harper, Molina, Pujols, Bruce, Ortiz).

I officially own this shitbox.

Why are there so many terrible hitters???

Are you manually doing keepers or do we do them in the league? I hate ESPN's interface so I've done like 5 teams there ever & none were keepers.

# ¿ Mar 16, 2014 18:24

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

The Pussy Boss posted:

The previous owner drafted a gimmick team with a bunch of Yankees (note the team name):

Unsurprisingly, they finished dead last.

If you click on the "My Team" tab, several tabs appear below that, and one of them is "keepers." That's what you're looking for.

My team will be gimmicky too. My gimmick is how bad it will be. Thanks for the keepers heads up. Miley/Rivera/Jeets. Let's do this.

# ¿ Mar 16, 2014 22:35

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

In any head to head league with more than 5x5 categories, I have a strategy I call "MASHERS" (marginalize all slap hitting extraneous running specialists) AKA punt SB. It's not worth carrying a specialist who's going to drag down 6 other categories to bring up one.

I think I executed that pretty well in my long-time keeper league draft

Spoeank fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Mar 17, 2014

# ¿ Mar 17, 2014 01:10

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

FantasyPros.com has a draft assistant & analyzer you can use.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2014 01:17

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

I forgot to post the team that accompanies that ridiculous FantasyPros ranking.

10 team H2H 7x7 (with H, TB for hitters & L, K/BB for pitchers).
C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF x 3, Util x 2, SP x 2, RP x 2, P x 3, 7 Bn

Keeper rules are nobody drafted in first 3 rounds can be kept, and players can be kept up to 3 years total in the year they were drafted (3 hitters and 3 pitchers or a 4/1 split). 58 total players were kept, mostly middle-round guys with late round value. Waiver pickups are "last round." My pitching keeper situation is horrid beause I mortgaged my future to make a run last year. I was keeping Corbin up until this morning & got a last minute switch to Ervin Santana. I actually kinda like Santana this year with the Braves so it's not the worst (but it's not the best). I have too many 3B but if Carpenter & Gyorko sniff 3B my year has gone horribly:

First overall pick, Trout was kept so Miggy was an easy pick. Squares were keepers. Krush Davis was a reach but Jose Abreu went in the 6th round so I panicked. I really wanted Krush Davis. Dickey in the 17th could be a steal if he gets his poo poo together, otherwise it's low risk. I was planning on getting Cliff Lee for his K/BB and Waino was available. My plan for the first 5 rounds were Miggy, 2 OF and 2 P. I was going to go P/OF, P/OF at the turns but instead went P/P, OF/OF. Melancon is to help drive the rate statistics. V-Mart is because of the rumors he may catch a handful of games when they go to NL parks and regain his C eligibility. Seager just kept falling and falling & I had to take him there.

Stupid Dexter Fowler was an autopick because I had him queued in case he fell all the way & disconnected. Stupid 20/20 potential messing with my MASHERS strategy :argh:

Hunter Pence was a homer pick. I'll admit that.

CarryOnMyHeywardSon
1. (1) Miguel Cabrera (Det - 3B)
2. (20) Adam Wainwright (StL - SP)
3. (21) Cliff Lee (Phi - SP)
4. (40) Matt Holliday (StL - OF)
5. (41) Hunter Pence (SF - OF)
6. (60) James Shields (KC - SP)
7. (61) Anthony Rizzo (ChC - 1B)
8. (80) David Robertson (NYY - RP)
9. (81) Jedd Gyorko (SD - 2B,3B)
10. (100) Starlin Castro (ChC - SS)
11. (101) Salvador P�rez (KC - C)
12. (120) Kyle Seager (Sea - 3B)
13. (121) Khris Davis (Mil - OF)
14. (140) Yasiel Puig  (LAD - OF)
15. (141) V�ctor Mart�nez (Det - 1B)
16. (160) Dexter Fowler (Hou - OF)
17. (161) R.A. Dickey (Tor - SP)
18. (180) Marco Estrada (Mil - SP)
19. (181) Mark Melancon (Pit - RP)
20. (200) Rafael Soriano  (Was - RP)
21. (201) Greg Holland  (KC - RP)
22. (220) Ervin Santana  (Atl - SP)
23. (221) Matt Carpenter  (StL - 2B,3B)
24. (240) Josh Donaldson  (Oak - 3B)

# ¿ Mar 17, 2014 02:42

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

What are the stat categories and keeper costs? I'd lean towards taking it in a keeper league, especially if you're rebuilding.

Edit:

Combo posted:

A free one? The only one I found was paid

No, sorry, it's paid only. I forgot to mention that.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2014 03:37

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

C: Yan Gomes pending the outcome of the Carlos Santana experiment
1B: Anthony Rizzo, too (more of a breakout than a sleeper)
2B: Nolan Arenado
SS: Brad Miller if/when Franklin gets traded
3B: Anthony Rendon
OF: Khris Davis, Leonys Martin, Kole Calhoun

SP: Marco Estrada
RP: who cares closers are interchangeable dill weeds who lose their jobs at the drop of a hat.

Edit: I sat here thinking this out & didn't see the other posts. We all have the same sleepers in some manner so that tells you something (hive mind)

# ¿ Mar 18, 2014 05:40

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Yea swap those. My bad. I always flip flop those names and positions in my mind. Rendon being 2B/3B doesn't help either.

Fantasy tip: Don't draft Arenado as a 2B it won't end well for you.

# ¿ Mar 18, 2014 07:10

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

I'm fine but I think I made it clear I have no life so I have no plans at all.

Also those keeper rules and positional settings in AntifreezeHead's league :stonk:

# ¿ Mar 18, 2014 07:16

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Thank God for ESPN alerts. I forgot about the HGH & Centaur Paintings draft :suicide:

# ¿ Mar 21, 2014 02:03

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Rand alPaul posted:

Don't worry we would have auto-drafted all Astros for you.

Wait did you look at my draft notes or...?

# ¿ Mar 21, 2014 02:27

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

IcePhoenix posted:

At the HGH & Centaur Paintings draft last night everyone was there, which made it great to watch as 70th ranked overall Starlin Castro kept falling. I think he was taken just before the 20th round.

e: you have a great team name

The plummeting of Starlin Castro was beautiful. I think he went back to back with Andrelton Simmons with the 180th pick or something.

he's my starting SS in another league :stonk:

# ¿ Mar 21, 2014 16:46

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:

Ughhhh, IP is the dumbest loving scoring category. Also having both Hits and BA is dumb.

I hate IP as a stat.

But that didn't stop me on doubling down in a league I played last year that had IP & outs as categories and no innings/starts limits.

Stream stream stream.

:getin:

# ¿ Mar 21, 2014 23:13

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 16:48

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Does anyone listen to the CBS Podcast? Because they did Seinfeld themed team names today.

The Magic LOOGY
Matt Moop

:allears:

# ¿ Mar 22, 2014 04:58

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