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fknlo posted:You're never quizzed on anything that isn't a facility LOA here. At least my area isn't. Some areas with a more active military presence might get stuff like that, but I haven't heard anyone talk about it. That is how it is here where I am at too. Only questions ever asked are pretty much LOA specific. Well, that and maps. The only time .65 stuff is whipped out is when we have to do approach control crap.
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MrYenko posted:I'm an rear end. All of our letters with terminal facilities define the arrival and departure gates as Arrival Transition Areas, and Departure Transition Areas. I didn't realize it wasn't a common term. Before I went center I thought it was a common term. You aren't an rear end.
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JohnClark posted:I'm so addicted to leaving PCT I've got an RSS feed from usajobs I hope you love doing ground.
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JohnClark posted:Never done tower, but I can't wait to learn. I got to visit ORD a couple years ago and it was amazing, if intimidating for a radar-only guy like me. Busy place like ORD you aren't going to get the tower experience you might be expecting. Places like that, if ORD's volume is similar to ATL/JFK, normally have people wash out in ground control. Not local. That is the complete opposite of most towers where normally most of the real complexity comes from the local control position. Sadly, as a radar guy, you might not truly appreciate the complexity going on at a place like ORD since the real poo poo kicking happens at ground control, whereas a place that has busy local traffic a radar guy can walk upstairs and immediately see shenanigans and appreciate it. Then again, a place like ORD might have an ASDE. Ground radar. Neat tool, never used it though.
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Cerebral Mayhem posted:So Tommy 2.0, how are you enjoying Masters week? Masters is nothing compared to Sun n Fun for us. And yes, we work the low stuff for them both. The biggest difference between Masters/Sun n' Fun for us is the sheer volume of VF-Tards we have to deal with. These guys fly once in a blue moon just for this one event and have zero clue what they are doing. Masters is pretty well structured now, imo, and it just gets treated as another busy approach control we have to feed (like CLT landers). AGS approach is sort of humorous to us, because at even 6am in the morning they won't let ANYONE fly through their airspace, even at 120. I had to sell a ketchup popsicle to a lady in white gloves to get them to take a VFR. :P Last year was a hoot. Sun n' Fun was the same week as Masters. 
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Guy in my OKC class was going to KPNS. I squeaked a E and an I in the appropriate places. Every time our instructor would call on him he would see his name tag and chuckle. It wasn't until the last day did he find out why when he grabbed his name tag and saw it.The Slaughter posted:I don't understand how you can not want to shoot yourself in the head while being in an underground building 8 hours a day in a dark room staring at a computer screen doing a stressful job. Some people like it. I was raised in a tower first so I hate it. I miss actually seeing the cool stuff and sunlight.
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Apr 14, 2014 00:06
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The Ferret King posted:When you certify at a Tower/TRACON facility you also realize in short order that all of your time will be spent working in the dark, while trainees get the tower time. That is why you try to get a trainee. Cerebral Mayhem posted:Masters IS a lot better than it used to be, years ago. When it does blow up, it's usually because of the VFRs and the lack of parking space at the airport. As for the overflights, I was working Augusta sector on Thursday, Allendale handled me off a guy at 80 landing AVL (Ashville, NC) that would have gone right through the middle of AGS Appch. I checked but they were already not accepting handoffs on overflights, so I called Allendale to tell them he either needed to go over ALD and go east, or over DBN (Dublin, GA) and go west around it. The pilot opted to go over DBN, but then later after I handed him off to Macon Approach I saw him squawk VFR and head direct. Yeah it is SIGNIFICANTLY better than even last year. I heard years ago it was a huge cluster. Not surprising. I don't know how it is on ATL's side, but it is structured on the ZJX side pretty well these days. Yeah, noticably increased volume/complexity but the pilots know what's up. The only problem really is dealing with AGS approach, since they aren't as proficient at volume/complexity that the masters provides for them once a year. Yeah, we do get VF-tards for masters, but nowhere NEAR to the level we get them for sun'n'fun. Oh, if you talked to ALD last night you may have talked to me. Not about that guy landing AVL though. I know better. Tommy 2.0 fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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Apr 14, 2014 19:52
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Iucounu posted:Not worth it, I'll take my dark cave anytime I don't think I'll be volunteering to train en-route any time soon, so I hear you. And in all fairness, the FAA doesn't even train it seems. They just mostly monitor and write up what you did bad/good at the end of the day. It seems to be rare in this agency for someone to actually train their trainee, as opposed to plugging in and hoping to monitor.
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The Ferret King posted:Oh I have one. He's just about done with radar. I know I have been more proud, felt more accomplished, with a trainee getting checked out than the actual trainee. Good feeling man.
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Apr 14, 2014 20:28
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Cerebral Mayhem posted:Nope, I'm off Sat/Sun (took me 17 years to get it! You should. Either its not me and they go "say again" or I'm there and "roger, and yes I am protected". Sinbad's Sex Tape posted:We have one controller who takes forever with her relief briefings and stops giving any clearances once she starts it. So you'll be sitting there watching everything go to poo poo while she's explaining why she had to level this plane for some other traffic that's not traffic anymore. And you just wish she was one of those people that say "you got it" and unplug. Do I work with you? We have the same person I swear. The Ferret King posted:Yeah, I think the completeness of relief briefings at a given facility directly correlates with how recently that facility has been chastised from above about having bad briefing compliance. Ours does an ok job. Of course I do them perfectly every time. Of course! We all do! Bob A Feet posted:How long does it usually take you guys to shift change? I swear no poo poo I'll get called, reply, and on the next call to the next person its a completely different guy. I'm pretty impressed with how seemless it is. Ferret went over it in aspergers err detail but yeah. It CAN be that quick/seamless even if done correctly and by the checklist. I've noticed where I am at EVERYONE goes by their checklist. Not everyone sticks around a bit after though. If it's dead I'll take a quick glance and go. If it's moderate/busy I'll hang back a sec until I'm sure they have it. Tommy 2.0 fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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) So on Monday, i usually work a 1500 shift (3-11pm), Tuesday a 1300 (1-9pm), Wed a 0800 (8am-4pm), Thursday a 0545 (5:45am-1:45pm), then finally a Friday Mid shift 2230 (10:30pm-6:30am). I like working mids.
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MrYenko posted:I'll do a legend when I get home in a bit. I wanted to get the cheap joke in immediately. If we are posting silly strips...I have a good one in my headset drawer I will mention and forget about and never show you guys. How do you like it down there anyways in ZMA?
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Apr 22, 2014 03:19
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TRS remarks: Callsign Citrus.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:55
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MrYenko posted:Down here, we issue direct to fixes on the arrival all the time. I've never heard anyone complain about it. High sectors are freebies, so grats man.
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Jun 2, 2014 01:23
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ShadowMoo posted:Why keep such a large amount of space between planes, isnt it like a few miles of open air has to be kept between crafts? In tower there really isn't that much space required as long as you can see them. Normally the most separation is what you need built in to multiple arrivals so there is enough time for the first aircraft to be off the runway by the time the second aircraft crosses the landing threshold. Yes, I know I'm simplifying here... Radar, mostly due to radar coverage, accuracy, and delay between returns. They base the separation requirements on a worst care scenario of information being displayed to you. This becomes more so in an EnRoute environment, and even more extreme once certain altitudes are reached. Then there is wake turbulence. Aircraft have their separation requirements for wake turbulence based off their potential max takeoff weight. So if a plan is right on the cusp, they most likely aren't in that next category except rarely. Things to think about. That and most people actually don't know how wake turbulence works. Down and out. I think Ferret simplified things pretty well there.
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Jealous Cow posted:For reference, wake turbulence is a byproduct of lift-generation which is why it's dependent on weight rather than just aircraft type. For as important as wake turbulence is it sort of scares me how little a lot of controllers actually know about it. They just get the rules and ignore the rest. I actually have seen EnRoute guys issue CWT advisories (not a requirement EnRoute BTW) and seen MULTIPLE controllers do it wrong. And I would get these death stares when I was in training having to explain to them what they did was completely backwards and wrong. Issuing a CWT to the guy at 390 about the heavy at 380 isn't doing anything except creating excess verbiage and declaring someone trained you wrong. And then they would use the "well I thought you could issue it any time you thought wake turbulence is a possible factor". Ok, well physics and all...
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fknlo posted:What's staffing looking like for the other center folks on here? My area is going to be down to multiple 3 man crews since we're losing another guy to airspace. I think we started with 32 or 33 CPC's this year and are either still the same or one under after getting 4 people checked out due to losses to retirement/TMU/desk jobs. The best part is that we keep sending people to TMU to replace people retiring/transferring who were already from our area... ZJX is overstaffed, except for my area and another. Out of 6 areas, two work the majority of volume/complexity that dictates our pay scale. If you think about ZJX let me know and I'll fill you in on what areas to NOT go to if you actually like breaks. Seriously, the other four areas are so relax they made a guy work over time a few months back because he didn't get enough TOP for the month. He was assigned to the floor the whole time too.
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The Ferret King posted:In the terminal environment, it's 1 hour per position per month. A total of 4 hours per area per month. So where I work, we have a Tower and a TRACON(Radar Room) so that's 2 areas. You need 4 hours in the Tower, and 4 hours in the TRACON, per month, to stay current. Dude had less than 6 hours TOP. My area would get that in one day.
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Crossposting this from the Aviation thread:The Slaughter posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqv8EECMXJM Wait what how did I miss this As a former tower controller this actually gives me all sorts of wood even if it will most likely never be adopted. I've personally wondered how long it would be to get a HUD like setup on the panes in a tower cab and this sort of approach towards it seems to be a step in a good direction. Cons? Not having complete 360 degree visibility (which is necessary). And yes, I understood that you can move the cameras in this, but when you need to look around you don't want the delay of a camera slowing you up. Also, sunlight. Still, the view is better than this radar crap.
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MrYenko posted:Additional content: I certified on my last three D sides. Mandatory six month seasoning period begins now. Grats. I know who you can blame for that one (the stupid rear end seasoning).
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It was a AFI when I was in to not allow opposite direction stuff within 15 miles to airports, so when I went FAA it sort of blew my mind there wasn't much to it at first. Ten still seems lenient to me.
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The Ferret King posted:I work with people that just deny them outright but frankly I think they should be counseled and/or fired. What the...are you a sup or something? I agree outright denial is weak and bad service (at least make an attempt guys), but thinking career termination for not bothering even contemplating letting a potentially dangerous approach be conducted? Jeez.
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The Slaughter posted:Isn't it your job to make sure it can be done where it's not potentially dangerous? What about pilots that break out at circling mins and have to circle to land but they aren't proficient because practicing those approaches is like pulling teeth now? Absolutely. But there are reasons those approaches are difficult to get done, and honestly, nationwide, always should have been due to potential safety complications. I haven't been in an FAA terminal environment since the changes, but having to get a sup involved seems excessive (then again termninal sups actually work planes so...), but sterilizing the airspace (pretty much what is happening with those mileages) is light years better than the way it was before. Outright denial of the approaches seems a tad much to say the least, and I'm pretty sure a lot of places this is completely unjustified. And some absolutely justified (and they probably wouldn't allow it before). Even the USAF in their infinite wisdom :  : recognized the potential risks of these approaches decades ago. We all learned how to weave them in, but the pilots still knew to expect potential holding waiting for their clearance in and knew to give a big heads up to approach of their intentions. And Ferret, yes, a smart controller would do exactly that. Call ahead for planning purposes. Also (....).....
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The Ferret King posted:Just having the supe call works fine where I am. It's not a big place, they're usually just a few feet away. Legit LOLed. You thinking about ever going somewhere else?
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The Ferret King posted:Always and often. Paperwork has been out for over a year. I've bid out once and it's probably not going to work out. In fact I'm refreshing my transfer requests this month because they're timing out. When I do get picked up I'm expecting delays due to our staffing level. For those who don't know, to transfer not only does the receiving facility need to want you, your present facility needs to let you go. Try for a hardship some how. Just remember you can only hardship no higher than three levels higher than your current. Get a doctor's note about the climate or something and say you need X climate in X location instead. Explain the easy ride?
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xaarman posted:When the flight is a formation, when are you required to say "Flight" when talking to ATC? I've worked flights for years (even VANDYs at my first location...Hi!) and in a tower environment I never noticed one way or another. En route/radar? It's nice for the initial check in, maybe, but that is about it. We are reading out your strip/information to see what you are. You aren't required to say it. But yeah, initial check in it's NICE, that is about it. I do see it a LOT where F16s out of Shaw are filed single ship, check in as flight, and now we are amending flight plans to properly reflect said information. Declaring who you are MARSA with is much more important, but not every transmission. Wow, I really could have shortened that answer up, eh? ATC already knows, but be nice, and check in with Flight please, in case there is a error between you and the last controller. Not every transmission. You will just annoy the controller after the initial check in. I think VANDY callsign brought back nostalgia. You guys still rocking the BE40s and cruising over to IAB to spice up their tower pattern? Also, don't you guys have a controller/pilot liaison program? I would imagine the controllers there would have some input too, and I'm sure having some on-base controller input would have more pull than some jackass with a giant man fairy avatar that told you on the internet. Tommy 2.0 fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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Aug 20, 2014 03:24
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xaarman posted:Do any of you all have a FAR/AIM reference for this? It sounds like all technique which is what we're all going through at work and trying to find clear guidance. Controllers don't work off FAR/AIM. We just look at certain things in there as a means to know what YOU have to adhere to when we issue instructions and what not. If there isn't anything detailing how to handle a thing, we deal with it in the smartest way we know. So yeah, talk to your liaison too.
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fknlo posted:Looks like a TBM lost pressurization and everyone lost consciousness on the way to Florida. So far they've overflown Cuba I swear my area is the only one at my facility that deals with this stuff. He went NORDO in our oceanic sector. At those altitudes, radios SUCK out there.
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Varlock posted:Everyone else sure did. This is the place to put one of those "Nope" gifs, right?
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Spookydonut posted:So is this 'terrorism' or just some dude who's pissed off? I mean end result is the same but still. It was a contractor. Found the dude in the basement with a bunch of burns from the fire. I wouldn't be surprised if it goes either way, terrorism or pissed off dude. And honestly? After seeing how en route treats their developmentals, I am AMAZED this hasn't happened before. This is why I never treat anyone like poo poo when they are in training, even more so people about to wash. I want to be the nice guy they spare if they go nuts and bring in a automatic rifle. Initial reports just say crazed/pissed guy. But...why? Contractor is making cash. Why so mad? fknlo posted:So the union email saying this may be a "long term" outage wasn't kidding. Wonder if this will highlight how vulnerable our air transportation system is to local acts that cause widespread issues. ERAM didn't save poo poo. :P Also, anyone who has ever even stepped in those buildings knows how stupidly vulnerable this crap really is. Like I said, I'm pretty amazed this hasn't happened before. Multiple times. Tommy 2.0 fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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fknlo posted:According to the video attached to the story I posted above, he'd recently been told he was being transferred to Hawaii. Might have had something to do with it. poo poo is still absolutely dumb gently caress retarded in the area at my center. The other areas are basically 6 figure welfare for how much we carry the facilities rating.
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fknlo posted:Yeah, our transfer from ZJX has been special to say the least. Got checked out on all the highs and then decided he didn't like the cold or something. While he was in the back for DYSIM training he went down for sleep apnea. Finally got that figured out and now he's been retraining for months on sectors he'd already been checked out on. We're pretty sure he was doing it to get sent back there. They told him that wasn't going to happen. Yeah he was most likely from one of our high side only areas, or the gulf (no volume or complexity), it sounds like. If he was from the West area there is a chance he is garbage also simply due to the fact they have zero volume of aircraft, even though their complexity is almost to the level our area is (North). Our area just does literally more than double what the Gulf and the West area do combined. We do more traffic than all the other areas. If he came from the South area, I'd guarantee he must be trying to just get back. They aren't bad controllers. I remember you mentioning you got a guy from ZJX and saying "lol good luck" if he came from one of our high sides. :P MrYenko posted:You're ZJX, aren't you? What area? Just wondering if our poo poo feeds make it up to you or not. If you talk to Torry/Knemo that's the area I am in. And yes, poo poo feeds is exactly it. Our TMU does jack and poo poo and we take every other center's poo poo because of it. We have a transfer from ZTL who did TMU there, LOVED TMU. Felt like they made a difference. Came here, got checked out, went to TMU. Won't outright admit it, but you can tell they hate TMU here because they are told to accept a BOHECA mentality. Tommy 2.0 fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Sep 27, 2014 |
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MrYenko posted:We're adjacent to Cedar Key/Mayo/Zephyr and St Johns/Green Cove/Keystone. You deal with our south area guys (good controllers for the most part) and our gulf area guys (lol level 5 enroute ahoy!).
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I saw the time frame this happened, and if it had happened at around 9-10am, I feel certain there would have been some serious mishaps. And it is pretty scary being at work and people talking about how easy this scenario is to pull off. Centers are sitting ducks. It is nuts and scary.
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fknlo posted:This entire thing has literally been the best case scenario of a worst case scenario. Happening at the time with the slowest traffic, no weather, leading into a weekend, etc... I'm definitely using this when talking about this for now on.
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Yeah dude, there isn't a short hand people just come up with. The stuff is straight from the .65 on the method to be written in. This is frightening. edit: Even if you don't have strips any more you should have to know how to write down/type stuff out. That is atrocious.
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WD40 posted:I remember once I was in a passenger jet and another plane passed beneath ours, big 747 type thing. It couldn't have been less than 100 feet below. I remember thinking 'that's awfully close'. That shouldn't have happened, right? You can do visual separation under Fl 180. So depends on how high you guys were.
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The Ferret King posted:What's frightening? He's a pilot and what he posted looks like how many many pilots copy their IFR clearances. I learned it as the CRAFT method: OH! This makes me feel a lot better. I thought he was a controller, hence my facepalming and concern.
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xaarman posted:You write your 3s weird FYI. Trees.
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Pope Mobile posted:niner tree foar I've actually worked with people that would hold back people's training for not saying "tree" and "fife". I want to kick these people in their reproductive organs.
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If you are wanting to get hired, get your poo poo together. March.
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