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DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

I was so busy reading and marveling at our nice new thread that I missed page ground floor!

Seriously, sign up, join Theta, get showered in money and newbee attention. Join SpaceViolence, learn to small gang PvP. Syndicate is only 10 minutes from Deklein!

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DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

kalstrams posted:

Open corporation window, second tab there after the corporation finder to view you current/past applications. You will have your accepted application with text "... invited ..." and buttons "Refuse" and "Accept".

I believe it also sends you an Evemail, but I haven't gone awoxing in a minute.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

eriktown posted:

I thought Laz got Destiny to join AMOK.?

He did, led a couple fleets, and then decided to buy some ridiculous 90m SP character and start his own independent corp. Why does this sound familiar...

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Hollow Talk posted:

:swoon:

I also have to admire the dedication to post graphs from your phone!

That was some pretty nasty graph porn, best I'd seen all week. Definitely got the bloodflow pumping.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

The Leper Colon V posted:

Why am I thinking about un-Vacationing.

Because you're bad at Eve.

uwaeve posted:

e: Actually, it still looks like the first hashmark on the angle slider is crammed down at the bottom, at first I thought they went to a log-like scale with the current increments.

That would make sense. I wonder if using a linear scale was due to CCP's incompetence, or CCP's perception of the playerbase's incompetence.

DisgracelandUSA fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Feb 27, 2014

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

The Leper Colon V posted:

So much for FCing a subcap fleet to dick around in hostile space looking for fights.

What is this hostile space you speak of?

uwaeve posted:

Use EFT to get some rules of thumb/guidelines/feelings, then go suck in space until you stop sucking in space.

So one big problem with EFT, fitting ships, etc that I've run into is that I have no gauge for relative DPS, EHP, HP, etc. Is 100 DPS on a frigate a lot? Or a little? A catalyst can do 750 DPS gank fit, but it's a bigger ship, and probably has some drawbacks in terms of survivability or maneuverability. How much tank / EHP / HP enough? Is there a steep fall-off in terms of shield HP vs. signature radius, or armor vs. mass. Obviously, this is something you learn from getting tons of lossmails, but the highly nuanced and non-linear gameplay wrt PvP is definitely something that's somewhat tricky to understand in a quantified way.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Azurrat posted:

I don't have any spacefriends, so what kind of targets would you recommend for the solo-ganker? I don't plan on making a profit out of this, it's just to kill the monotony between day long ratting sessions, so profitability isn't a concern.

It is possible to kill an untanked Mackinaw with a T2 Gankalyst, but it's hit or miss. I would get a Small Hybrids and a Sharp Shooting level 3 hardwire if I were going to do it again seriously. Works best when you have a scanning alt to look fore ORE Strip Miners and lack of tanks.

On a side not for people recommending ganking fits. MiniLuv recommends Magnetometric ECCM if your sec status is -2.0 or lower. Something about it has a small chance of blocking the initial jam that concord gives you. Also, MiniLuv recommends a Scan Res Sensor Booster, but I never really valued that.

Don't use T2 Gankalysts to gank retrievers. Retrievers can be done with M0 or M4 Gankalyst, and the T2 fit costs ~10m for a ~30m killmail. T2s should be used for T2 Barges, which have a 200m isk payout.

Edit: clarification

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Hollow Talk posted:

Is this the kind of activity that uses a passive targeter alongside a module scanner (to find out whether they are tanked) and a cargo scanner (to find out whether it's worth killing them)? Because that seems to be one of the few instances were that module actually makes some sense to me. Are they used in any other contexts?

Your suggestion isn't bad for the course. Unfortunately, a smart, non-afk miner will warp away as soon as they see you, so the passive targeting array does nothing. Though it might be useful if you're going after ice mining fleets. The cargo/mod scanner could be useful if you don't have a scan alt and want to scope out afk miners before giving it a go, and I don't actually believe you lose too much effectiveness over AB/Scram, SEBO/MECCM or any of the other convos.

Of course, best practice is to use a scanner alt in a heron or something that can also scoop the loot. And scan T1 haulers for highsec ganking :getin:

The bhaalgorn is an interesting use. Unfortunately, this is somewhat limited [in all the above cases -ed.] by the fact that module scanners don't produce complete results. It requires several scans to get a good indication of what mods are fitted on a ship.

On a side note:

I can't decide what to train. I've spent the last 2 months getting all supports and fitting skills to 4 (and some to five). I can fly T2 Minmatar Frigates (AssFrigs, Intys, Covops), and T1s up to BCs. What to do? Electronic Attack frigates? T2 Caldari Frigates? T2 Medium Projectiles? A sabre?

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

mikey posted:

Which ship sizes do you like flying the most? Fleets or small-gang?

If frigates, then yeah Caldari inties/AFs and/or the Sabre. T2 projectiles won't really change how fun you find flying cruisers/BCs, other than that it's necessary for HACs, Cynabals, etc. Obviously training for HACs will take quite a bit longer than interdictors or Caldari frigs, and won't be very relevant in fleet work, so unless you really don't like flying light ships then I'd at least get into a Sabre first.

I like Jaguars and Stilettos, though I don't fully understand how to fly them well even still. I've got T2 Small Hybrids and Projectiles, T2 Medium Projectiles. I have Long Range Targetting V queued right now, as it's support-y, and gives me EAF, increasing the return on training Caldari/Gallente Frig to V, but it sounds like Sabre is really the way to go.

Edit: Didn't answer the first question, but I think I tend to like small gang more than mainfleet, though most of my experience in the last ~4 months has been Theta Homeland Defense and main fleet. So I guess EAF works for small gang, and Sabre works for all-gangs.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

I just got a notification from Aura that New-Eden-Citizen 205060966 has an insufficient clone.

RIP Faggity Andy. By the hands of a coalition member no less.

Fake Edit: Will I be able to change my name when I log in again or am I stuck with this eye sore forever?

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies


I wonder if this is improving their comms, or only exacerbating it by enticing the not-banned-TEST-member to poo poo up comms doubly so.

Renzyal posted:

I believe that you have to petition to change your name.

Quick, somebody rename my character! Think they'll be okay with Felcher McGaghin?

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Jesus Christ I'm speechless.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

i do cocaine posted:

Holy poo poo that ALOD. His loving wife is gonna leave his rear end. 3 grand IN REAL DOLLARS on ships in 2 days.

It's cool, he's a lawyer. They make tons of :10bux: these days :downsrim:

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Hollow Talk posted:

:saddowns:

edit: Really, the way this is phrased tells you everything you need to know. "Your principle" rather blatantly suggests that "basic human decency" might not be a principle TEST is willing to embrace...

I honestly was a little more taken aback by the "I hereby apologize!" I know it's hard to make text sound sincere, but hereby makes it sound legal? As if his sole motivation was he was told he would be absolved of his guilt if he rendered an apology.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

EssOEss posted:

I am considering sticking to this game (currently on my first week) but I am a bit unclear on how one makes isk without doing any of the boring stuff. I quite liked my first taste of PVP, so that would be my main direction... but even with hull reimbursements, that can get costly. How does one make ends meet when one is mainly about PVP?

I think the trick is do boring stuff (salvaging, exploration, ratting, complexes) until you have enough capital to get into some of the less labor-intensive money making stuff (station trading, cycle trading, importing, market manipulation).

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Leo Showers posted:

I can see why the Auth team would become so jaded and broken, look at what they have to deal with here. I can only imagine that it's just the tip of the iceberg.

It seems like all the worst parts of being a teacher, with none of the good parts.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

mikey posted:

Usually a massacre like B-R should invigorate the winning side and trigger a failure cascade on the losing side, but apparently in Russian Federation, defeated enemy vanquishes you!

A prime joke ripe for the picking...

For content: Given that the boot is going to drop on AFK ratting sometime in the future, what should I do with the AFK ratter I've been training? He's in a VNI now, about a month off from Ishtar, plus Drone Interfacing 5, before he's 'done.' Hold course? Or try to sell for a quick buck? I usually rat 2-3 days a week, usually 8 anoms per day.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

ChickenWing posted:

I imagine purging TEST would be an important first step :sun:

In my fantasies, this is the first step of every eve decision tree and flow-chart.

hemophilia posted:

Has CCP openly stated any intention to break afk ratting? I don't loving understand CCP when it comes to nullsec income. Active ratting was a thing for a long time, until they decided they didn't like it and actively tried to break many viable active ratting setups. What do they want us running anomalies in, exactly? They make one of the worst activities in the game (pve) absolutely necessary, then routinely poo poo on players trying to make it less painful. If they're actually gonna axe afk ratting soon, I hope they intend to introduce a viable alternative that doesn't require tens of millions of SP and billions of isk.

edit: my understanding is that the AI change pertains to how the AI treats gankers and won't be breaking AFK ratting yet.

Excuse me, just spreading the FUD for discussions sake.

Gihon posted:

Gallente cruiser V is pretty useful. The Arazu, Proteus, and Onieros are all drat good ships.

This is true, but I'd rather have the e-honourable Falcon alt than the noble Arazu alt.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Otacon posted:

figured out how to make EVE a lot better



This has revolutionized my Eve experience.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

p7hk9 posted:

Takeshi Kovacks (sp?) was the nut job that used to talk about his wacky conspiracy theories all the time. He accused Moomin of not being a true Englishman or some poo poo, and Moomin made a callout thread. WIDOTTE had enough and purged Takeshi.

The guy that poo poo on newbees was Talon Bristi. He got purged, and Theta blew up his jump freighter on the JU- undock.

Wait, really? I thought he, and Shenk Ronuken, just got told to shut up and stop leading fleets.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Was that a doomsday on that Rag? Did that pilot not even fire his doomsday?

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Hollow Talk posted:

Oh, I did not know that! Do you by chance know which ship classes don't show up? The XML itself looks like a bit of a pain to edit by hand, since that would mean looking up each ship classes' ID and add it to all necessary tabs. :downs:

I guess I'll have to have a look in game this evening or tomorrow whether it would be easier to adjust things there...

The XML on overviews is a little nasty given that there are a couple hundred different entities that can appear on the overview, and there are about 15 different states for filtering. And there isn't a lot of out of game documentation as far as I can tell. So, programmatically Starting from someone elses pack and editing it is fine. I bet someone might be able to link you to Aryth's overview, which is pretty up to date, but overkill for anyone not doing CFC strat ops.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Amyclas posted:

The ratting Ishtar goes with sentries does it?

Heavies, usually.

Edit: It used to be sentries, but to deal with sentry ratting (I think), scramming and webbing rats (frigates?) were added. So now people use heavies since, when aggressive, target smallest to largest ships first.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Errant Gin Monks posted:

Okay I reactivated my EVE account and ran the gently caress out of Vale of the Silent. I have no idea why my character was there.

I have authenticated on the forums. Maybe I will actually stick with EVE this time for a bit. The last 3 times I tried to reactivate my account I never did anything.

Join Theta, sit in Dek, do homeland defense and FC newbie frigate suicide roams. Lose at eve. Then when you get bored, come to highsec and gank miners and orcas and mission runners.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Errant Gin Monks posted:

Okay I applied for Theta. Sitting around in Deklein sounds good. I have a bunch of ships to move out there, so I might activate my carrier alt after all for a month.

Also does Theta have any use for a Command ship pilot or am I better off bringing out falcons and T3 ships?

I didn't realize you were a somewhat established player already. You might look at Freedom Squad, as they're currently deployed and doing cool stuff. If you can fly a Falcon, I bet TopGoon wants to have a word with you as well, as they're currently on deployment, and I hear they like living out of carriers.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

uwaeve posted:

Skillpoints per minute = primary + secondary/2.

Default map is 1800 sp/hour for non-charisma skills I think, so +3s net you a 15% increase in SP/time.

You can go into evemon and add implant groups you don't actually own to see how it impacts training time. Just add a set of +whatevers and see what your plan looks like as you toggle between no implants and implants on your plan page. End result is yeah 2.3 million a year for +3s.

Double post, but gently caress it. Quoting this because it's important and you wouldn't leave your character without a skill training if you could help it, so why would you leave your character without implants if you can help it?

If you're :shobon: as gently caress, only plug-in +3 implants for the types of skills you're currently training. That translates each pod death to 25m. Or use +2s which, if I recall correctly, is only about 20m. But, for the love of god, use implants. That's skill points you wont get back (in theory). Maybe if you're deployed to a super hostile war zone, but even then...

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

dotalchemy posted:

FA is literally the worst CFC alliance and is rotten at the core

I had an FC from FA block me once for asking [jokingly] for a paplink at the beginning of a fleet. His thought process was "If I block him, he can't see my fleet adverts." :downsrim:

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Just wanted to chime in on Erotica 1.

The duration of the scam doesn't really matter. I've pulled long scams and pulled short scams. I've scammed newbees and veterans. Hell, I spent 7 hours escorting one mark's freighter through lowsec and then his Orca to nullsec. None of these really crossed the line. The problem is, as far as I know, Erotica 1 doesn't really 'play' the game in the conventional sense. His primary form of playing is scamming, subterfuge and puppet mastering. These don't really require money. So why is he scamming then? For the literal tears and humiliation of the mark. If he wanted the money, he'd have the target at step 1 and call it a day, like most of us do.

Singing a song? Not too bad.
Reciting some poetry or reading random articles? Whatever.

Getting your mark to write Erotica 1 for CSM on their chest in peanut butter, taking a picture, sending it to you for you to post in a semi-public place? Too far.

fake edit: I read somewhere that he was a veteran of Iraq and came back a lot more hosed up than he left. Although I did like his idea of the Great Christmas Pubbie Scam a lot.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Alexzandvar posted:

The real issue here is Erotica took it out of game and to a completely unacceptable level

I don't understand this 'out-of-game' sentiment. When did it become out-of-game? When he got on comms? When he recorded comms? When he posted it on Soundcloud? Does making a post in Letters of Marque and Reprisal take it 'out-of-game'? How does this 'out-of-game'ness compare to any of the intelligence or counter-intelligence activity that GoonWaffe engages in?

Cease to Hope posted:

Parting a fool from his money so you have money: AOK

Scamming people to feel superior over them or to hear losers complain about losing: a little weird but definitely in the spirit of Eve

Scamming people to have enough leverage over them to torment them for hours: get therapy

I think this is the crux of the argument. Erotica 1 does not play Eve to fly spaceships in space or become a mining mogul or an industrial monopolist or a lowsec pirate. Erotica 1 plays this game because this game provides functionality as a sociopath simulator, and I firmly believe that Erotica 1 is a sociopath. It's not about the money, the ships, the plex or the lp. It's about getting someone on comms and being viciously mean to them in a tongue-and-cheek manner while dangling the carrot-on-a-stick in front of their face. I'm glad Goonwaffe got rid of him.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

JohnSherman posted:

Comparing Titan losses across servers is a waste. They're supposedly not worth nearly as much to the Chinese.

I'm confused by this. Not worth as much in isk to the Chinese? Or not valued as much as we value them? And why?

Edit:

avatarinwin posted:

No kitsune?

Never forget the Noble Kitsune.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Huge_Midget posted:

So what's the policy regarding shooting abandoned MTU's in Deklein? I blew up another Waffe guy's MTU that appeared to be abandoned. The dude was not online for the several hours while I was AFK ratting and he left it in an unfinished anomaly and I said gently caress it, finished the anomaly and blew it up. He sent me an in game mail saying it's an outrage what I did. I offered to buy him a new MTU but I can't tell if the dude is being a serious spergelord or if he's just loving with me.

I'm really not trying to start a diplomatic incident I just would like to know what I should do?

What everyone else said. If you leave an MTU up in a spawned unfinished anom, you should expect it to be blown up when you return. If it's not, then someone was being nice. The only time I ever got aggravated about this kind of thing was when I had to warp out of a haven because my tank broke, and when I warped back, there was someone in the Haven. Even though my MTU was up, named after the character running the anom, and that character was in system. And there was a DG spawn as well. I was a little bitter, but I just scooped my MTU, the valuable loot, and left. The DG probably just dropped tags and ammo anyway.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Uba Stij posted:

It's pretty clear he wants to force CCP to do something he has an issue with. If you just ignore him stamping his feet, after not doing much of note, with CSM then he'll probably have a meltdown.

Is there any coincidence this dudes name is an anagram of Retard Pig?

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Noctis Horrendae posted:

I'm the hero the Something Awful "EVE Online: The Spaceship Game That Didn't Steal your Kickstarter Money" thread did not need, and did not want.

Fix'd

So I've been doing FW roams in Black Rise / Ammamake-Region with a friend of mine a couple nights at a week for the past couple weeks. We've done 2x Daredevil with good and okay success, and Daredevil + Firetail with okay success. One of the problems we run into is that a lot of easy targets are warping off from plexes right as we get them targeted. So that led me to think about using an instalock Dramiel for better ability to lock people in plexes. We figured a decent 1x SEBO fit with 1.2s lock and decent dps, but the problem in my mind is that beyond initial point, the ship doesn't add that much to the fight, so I'm a little uneasy about trying it out. Can anyone that knows what they're doing give me feedback?

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

This derail is utterly retarded. I'd rather go back to talking about Erotica 1 and his mentally handicapped victims.

Margaret Thatcher posted:

Unfortunately not.

It was a good run, people were all very friendly and I even managed to work with Scooter McCabe to pull of a 5b ISK recruitment scam on some guy in a public channel.

Not sure why you guys are so hellbent on keeping me out, but I must admit that European Goonion is definitely in a much better shape than it was the last time I was in it. Regular EG ops and now the sig is invite only? That's pretty cool considering it was started by a newbie all those years ago.

Joining goonfleet and pulling recruitment scams has somewhat become my main form of income :ohdear:.

Literally, the first thing you did when you joined Goonwaffe this time was start goonfucking:

Recruitment Channel posted:

[ 2014.03.29 17:59:58 ] Ivar the Terrible > hello
[ 2014.03.29 18:00:02 ] Ivar the Terrible > i scam people for a living
[ 2014.03.29 18:00:06 ] Ivar the Terrible > haha
[ 2014.03.29 18:00:07 ] N3mis1s > Merrill's Marauders - Seeking Privateers for pew and profit *0.0 pvp*decs*elite small gang fleets*no fail
[ 2014.03.29 18:00:07 ] Ivar the Terrible > watch out
...
[ 2014.03.29 18:03:40 ] Ivar the Terrible > recruiting for goons


Private Chat posted:

[ 2014.03.29 18:03:58 ] Ivar the Terrible > hi
[ 2014.03.29 18:03:59 ] Ivar the Terrible > goon jam
[ 2014.03.29 18:04:02 ] Ivar the Terrible > lovely goon jam
[ 2014.03.29 18:04:03 ] Ivar the Terrible > yum yum yum
[ 2014.03.29 18:04:08 ] redacted > You cannot post solicitations recruiting for goons in Recruitment
[ 2014.03.29 18:04:13 ] Ivar the Terrible > yes i can
[ 2014.03.29 18:04:16 ] Ivar the Terrible > i just did
[ 2014.03.29 18:04:40 ] redacted > If you pull marks by advertising in recruitment, you can get banned. It's prohibited by CCP. It also sours the scamming pot.
[ 2014.03.29 18:04:47 ] Ivar the Terrible > i will do it
[ 2014.03.29 18:04:53 ] Ivar the Terrible > i am actually gonna sponsor them in

Get hosed.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Margaret Thatcher posted:

It's worth noting that I did that recruitment chat stuff after Digi found me out and kicked me. I was a bit annoyed so I just spammed a few chats, again - sorry.

"I got a little annoyed so I shat all over the goons that were pulling marks from recruitment and then acted like a jackass when someone confronted me about it." :frogout:

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

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Siets posted:

You know what I like to do?

I like to name my ships after their common mispronunciations just to get people riled up. For instance, "Anna Theema" the Anathema, "Zeelot" the Zealot, and "Abba Dawn" the Abaddon. That last one is a W.I.P. but that's just because I have not yet figured out a reason to own and fly an Abaddon. :smith:

...and for when there isn't a common mispronunciation, one can always fall back on the trusty name "LemonTime's Noctis" :eng101:

That's to imply that abba-dawn is the incorrect way of pronouncing it. Which I don't think is true. But I've always thought "A Bad One" was pretty okay for weird mispronunciations.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Noctis Horrendae posted:

I tried to bribe Tim to let him in just for laughs unsuccessfully. RIP prencleeve. Shine on, brave nomad, shine on.

Wow, the posting on Groon forums is so... non-lovely. Also, it was fun watching you guys slap dicks around for a while. A+ on effort.

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

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MickeyFinn posted:

I wish CCP left us alone so we could get awesome player names back, like Faggity Andy. :colbert:

RIP Faggity Andy and his ~*FaBuLoUs VeXoR*~

DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Happy Dolphin posted:

Tell him we're the good guys when it comes to training newbies and he'll fit right in. Then recruitment scam him.

Some of my students saw my EVE folder on my bookmark bar. I told them I was a highsec miner because after a hard day thinking, teaching and dealing with them, there's nothing quite serene as shooting rocks in space :unsmith:

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DisgracelandUSA
Aug 11, 2011

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mikey posted:

Thank you for this! Doing fitting calculations by hand gets a bit annoying, and creating a spreadsheet or lua program or something would require :effort:.

Speaking of :effort:

A pubbie friend of mine, Ian Praetorius, exercised his 'tism and came up with his spreadsheets. Tabs for each class of drone. Scroll to the far right to see the overall delta.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlYeRemB-H8WdC1RR0dxalZtU3E3Sk5jWXlkeHlfdmc#gid=0

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