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I don't fully understand this but if both sides are terrible (Tymoshenko and Yanakovich) than what was this fight for?Tankus posted:Watch this video, its AMAZING, its in Russian: I wouldn't call it amazing, it looks just like some advertisement and nationalistic dreck. First 30 seconds reminds me of a Superannuation (Pension) ad and then it morphed into some terrible action movie. The tone of voice of the guy and music were trying way too hard to create emotions. The only people who would like it are those who have a dog in this race.
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Tankus posted:The fact that the Ukrainian economy is against the ropes and is in dire need of assistance. Banks are defaulting and foreign currency, namely dollars and euros, are sky rocking in price while the grivna plummets. Some banks are only allowing withdrawals of 100 grn per day. Economics has never been a super strong point for me, but with Russia freezing bailouts to Ukraine Im curious as to if the Eu will help out, possibly once the region is a bit more stabilized. If any of you guys have any insight I would love to hear it. Yikes, the Ukraine needs some serious help. From the looks of things they have been reliant on IMF loans since 2008 and refused to sign the renewed treaty in November, 2013 for what I would say is a good reason - 40% increase in gas prices and budget cuts. Then all this revolution stuff began in the Ukraine and it probably wouldn't have been a good idea to accept those terms regardless. Russia offered a lifeline of $15 billion or so, which was what they wanted from the IMF and it kept you guys solvent. $1 billion from the US appears to be just a part of a coming assistance package from the west. The IMF will probably provide most of the funding from any aid package, and if the US and EU lean on the IMF* they could probably get better terms for the new government. *I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything, but the EU and US provide most of the funding for the IMF so I would imagine they would use it as the instrument of providing a unified aid package. Snowdens Secret posted:The dirty secret is that the Euros and US don't really have the money lying around. That isn't true, the US could easily give away far more than the Russians and not even as a loan or loan guarantee. I think $1 billion is just easy to get through congress if it even needs to.
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Feb 28, 2014 11:43
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Noctis Horrendae posted:http://www.rferl.mobi/a/russia-considers-adding-regions/25280068.html Spanish.
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Noctis Horrendae posted:E: IIRC marching into foreign territory with unmarked troops directly violates the Geneva Convention, can anyone confirm this? I'm almost positive that the Geneva Conventions and their amendments are just to do with the treatment of captured, wounded or stranded soldiers and civilians. I'm sure there are some international agreements that regulate that, but not those ones.
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Mar 1, 2014 02:32
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utjkju posted:In the western Ukrain in the government there are people, who are Nazi. And many people in the western Ukrain are Nazi. I don't think they are Nazi's. National Socialism, or Nazism is a form of fascism that usually incorporates scientific racism (ie. Jews and Slavs are bad due to some concocted scientific fact) and some kind of pan nationalism. So for example, if Britain was ruled by Nazi's they would likely be trying to reconquer the commonwealth and come up with reasons why Indians and Pakistanis are bad. I wouldn't even call the Ukraine fascists. Be careful with calling people Nazi's and whatnot. utjkju posted:All governments from Ukrain can be legatimate, because The New government from Kiev was organized without impeachment of the old government of Ukrain. And a legally president of Ukrain is Yanukovich. This looks to be the root of the problem I think you are trying to argue. The pro-west side managed to oust a president that was unpopular with the west side of the Ukraine. East side liked this president I assume. The whole situation has just been escalated quite scarily, Russian soldiers occupying Crimea and all the ICBM tests so that is why you will find the west (EU and America mainly) supporting West Ukraine.
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Mar 7, 2014 05:15
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utjkju posted:I don't have information about it. Have you read any of the news coming from Al Jazerra, BBC, NY Times, etc? Are you worried the west are being mislead?
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Mar 7, 2014 06:28
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utjkju posted:No, i do not read Al Jazerra, BBC, NY Times. I ask because they contradict what you are saying and they all come from different sources, including one from the Middle East that isn't aligned with the west.
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Mar 7, 2014 07:53
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utjkju posted:What is Ukraine, which chose interim government? Can you show that Tartars are not allowed to vote in general elections? If the interim government is made up of elected politicians than it is indeed legitimate. There are elections in May, they can choose a new politician if they wish.
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Mar 10, 2014 12:37
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utjkju posted:But why Tartars can not choose interim government, and people from Kiev can choose interim government? Is It the democracy and equal rights or is it the discrimination of rights of Tatars? How is it discrimination? The government happens to be located in Kiev, so the politicians there formed it. These politicians likely came from all over Ukraine. If you mean why the current sitting president was ousted, than he got ousted because he annoyed enough people that they formed a massive protest he couldn't shift. I don't think people went and did it because they thought "Lets go gently caress with some Tatars"
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Mar 10, 2014 12:51
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utjkju posted:Do you want to tell that people from Maidan is politicans? Maidan chose the interim government. Well the Maidan are the protestors that ousted the previous government but they aren't the actual government. The actual government is made up of democratically elected politicians who are acting as caretakers until May when elections will be held. The politicians are likely the opposition, but this happens. In Australia the Governor General (our president) fired the government when it couldn't pass a budget and called an election. The opposition acted as a caretaker government until the election.
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Mar 10, 2014 13:11
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utjkju posted:Why other people, who is not Maidan, can not organize other government? Because they don't have military capacity? I don't think you understand this. Maidan isn't a government, they are a protest group. A whole bunch of people got together and protested against the President because they felt he was doing a horrible job and should leave. It got violent so he fled the country and his party is no longer the majority in the parliament. So those who are left have called an election for May and are looking after things. Ukraine is still run by elected politicians. As for why other people shouldn't run their own government? Well because they aren't elected and there are elections in May.
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Mar 10, 2014 13:37
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Even if they disagree with the new government or not, it's not like there is a long wait for the next election. But why are you so gung ho for a war? In a normal democracy it would take a lot to go to a military conflict and a responsible military wouldn't fire on it's own citizens.
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Mar 11, 2014 08:29
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Smerdyakov posted:I used to teach the Ukrsotsbank managers for the Odessa region English a few years back. They were offering 20% interest a year for 3 year locked-in accounts in 2011-2012. I asked them if I should do it and they said hell no, change your salary into dollars every week and keep it under your mattress. That was when things were looking relatively ok, too, so that's some actual advice. A fairly big company I worked for kept their capital surpluses in 40% dollars, 40% euros, and 20% Grivna, so something like that is probably not a bad idea if you have any savings. At 12 to the dollar, would it cause absolute poverty? Like as a lower income worker would I be able to afford food, housing and energy or are we talking doom and gloom? The kind thing either way is to subsidise Ukraine while they improve efficiency to the point where 8 to the dollar is ideal, but I wouldn't give a cent to them while there is a chance of corruption. If what I heard of the last president is true, than corruption sounds endemic to the country and that should be fixed first.
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Mar 14, 2014 10:44
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Smerdyakov posted:If anyone were to step up and subsidize the entire economy, there's no guarantee it would actually modernize, and previous attempts mostly resulted in all the money being stolen. Well, that is why I said corruption had to be dealt with first. As well as that, the idea of subsidising the economy includes providing for the workers you put out of business by providing unemployment. It would be beyond stupid to come up with a plan that will fail in 4 years because the plan was so painful it caused your politicians to be kicked out of power.
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Mar 15, 2014 09:01
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Outside Dawg posted:A question for those in the region, do you think there is a chance that Ukraine will go the way of Yugoslavia? Wouldn't that require them having more ethnicities?
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Mar 16, 2014 06:23
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I don't think the rebels are making many friends by shooting down commercial airplanes. Russia is being viewed quite poorly at the moment due to the lack of sympathy Putin showed Australia, as well as the unanimous opinion that his government supplied the missiles that shot it down. If stuff like laying mines near the crash site is true than I could see our politicians doing more than just condemn Russia.
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Jul 31, 2014 14:39
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Ensign Expendable posted:The rebels stole two Buks without a guidance computer and a C&C system. It's pretty difficult to shoot down anything with one of those. Also the pro-Kiev forces have just launched a massive offensive in the direction of the crash site with the aim of cutting the LNR and DNR apart. You expect the rebels to just sit there and let it happen? It's not like they're laying the mines in a circle around the crash site. Are you saying the rebels didn't shoot it down, they got lucky shooting something in the sky or that they were trained in how to use them if they are difficult to use? Right or wrong, Russia is simply the 'bad guy' in Australian eyes now due to the handling at the beginning. Ukraine is as much to blame for the delays (the full scale offensive) for our investigators to collect the rest of the bodies and the investigate. Though we have gotten there in the end.
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Jul 31, 2014 15:06
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utjkju posted:German comedy disagree with USA, therefore it is unfunny for some people. I know it. Every country will have comedians that disagree with America over everything. Comedians in the USA disagree with the USA. That's just what comedians do. Some of them are funny, some of them are not.
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Aug 1, 2014 09:23
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I don't understand any of those sorry. One of them has an angry man with a sign that says Obama so I guess it's anti-America stuff? Like I said, every country has anti-America stuff. I don't get what this has to do with anything.
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utjkju posted:People talk about Nazi in Ukraina and that mass-media in Germany write falsehood. You've been talking about this for awhile. Are you calling the government of Ukraine fascists and/or Nazi's or what? I know you don't speak english well, but could you try to explain your point?
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