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This may be in the totally wrong section (I tried PMing some MODs, but evidently I have to have Platinum level to do that), but I was wondering if we would be free to talk about the state of various emulators, which projects hold promise or are just a joke, and questions about why certain platforms haven't been emulated yet. I'd prefer if nobody posted links to ROM sites or trackers, etc..., since that'll get this nuked ASAP. Lately I've been tinkering around with some emulators (NullDC, demule, SSF, and even dolphin. I've been noticing odd things going on with various ISOs, and when I submit reports to the devs, it seems like they fall thru the cracks. Anybody know of any comparable projects that are more aggressively maintained? Any tips/tricks to get around known issues? And something I've always wondered, is why nobody seems to be trying to emulate the original Xbox. It had mostly off the shelf PC parts, and ran some type of modified Win2K, IIRC. Besides microsofts legal teams, any technical reasons why it couldn't be done? I mean, if we can defeat the suicide batteries in NAOMI and CPS1,2,3, surely somebody can emulate this platform. Sure the 360 has limited backwards compatibility, but that doesn't do those of us who ditched their OX and games to get a 360...
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There is no emulator for PS2/Gamecube or Wii aside from PCSX2 and Dolphin. You will probably never see anything else for either. The original Xbox had a bunch of quirks and the video chipset used is extremely poorly documented. Someone had Bochs running the bios, but I don't think it went anywhere. If you're having trouble with ISOs on Dolphin, you're loving up. I'm not sure how, but you've done something wrong. I don't know what known issues you're talking about.
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Hog Butcher posted:There is no emulator for PS2/Gamecube or Wii aside from PCSX2 and Dolphin. You will probably never see anything else for either. Video artifacting, some games display thin green vertical lines, Chibi Robo hardlocks. I'm not ruling out my AMD vid driver, but I've tried every possible setting I can think of. I'm using the latest version, and I'm not using the DSP code. I've checked the compat list, and it will show some games as 99% working, but I'll get inferior results. Do they have a support forum? I did'nt find it the last time I looked. PCSX2 works fine for the most part, but I've had issues when the ISO is split into BIN/CUE with audio files. In those cases, game works, but is silent. And I've had some with thin vertical black lines. With NullDC/Demul/and SSF, I get random spurious errors. Some games work. some don't. And with SSF, I have to repeatedly remind it of which BIOS and language I want to use. Sometimes I have to start/shut the program 4-5 times before the settings stick. EDIT - Oh, and as far as known issues, the compat lists for both PCSX2 and Dolphin will show possible workarounds, if you click on the game's page in the wikia. Hz so good fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Feb 21, 2014 |
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Feb 21, 2014 05:04
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Hardlocking should not be happening in any situation. Go stress test your GPU. Don't use DX9, don't use OpenGL. If the wiki doesn't specifically mention DX11 not working, you should be using DX11. If you're ripping to Bin/Cue, you're doing it wrong. Gamecube games should always be GCM or ISO, PS2 games should always just be ISO. Saturn and Dreamcast are confusing clusterfucks. Could you link to an actual case of ISOs having issues that's actually from a legit copy on one of the wikis?
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Feb 21, 2014 05:10
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I forgot to mention ScummVM in the initial post. They've been cruising along, adding support for far more games than just those from Lucasarts and Humongous Entertainment. They also support Sierra Online AGI and SCI games, Simon the Sorcerer. Discworld, and the Broken Sword games, to name a few. There's even projects to add good MT-32 emulation into it (ala MUNT), and enhanced audio for certain games. Well worth it, and it's available on many formats, besides just WIN/MAC/*nix
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Feb 21, 2014 05:11
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Hog Butcher posted:Hardlocking should not be happening in any situation. Go stress test your GPU. Don't use DX9, don't use OpenGL. If the wiki doesn't specifically mention DX11 not working, you should be using DX11. I didn't rip the GC games myself. Those came from various sources, and other users there attests that they tested fine, and worked great for them. Gimme a little while, and I'll post links of the games on PCSX2 and Dolphin giving me trouble.
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Hog Butcher posted:Hardlocking should not be happening in any situation. Go stress test your GPU. Don't use DX9, don't use OpenGL. If the wiki doesn't specifically mention DX11 not working, you should be using DX11. BTW, by stress test the GPU, you mean thru one of the Emus, or thru something like Uningine or shadermark?
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Feb 21, 2014 05:14
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Yeah, I just ran my copy of Chibi-Robo on Dolphin 4.0-865. Seems to work fine in both OpenGL and Direct3D with the default Dolphin specs. When does it hardlock for you?
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Feb 21, 2014 05:22
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PCSX2 Wiki: Battle Engine Aquila[/] [url=http://wiki.pcsx2.net/index.php/Ace_Combat_5:_The_Unsung_War]Ace Combat 5 Drakan Espgaluda Fatal Frame 2 SMT:DDS2 Simpsons Hit and Run Dolphin GC Wiki: Baten Kaitos Billy Hatcher Luigi's Mansion Rebel Strike Rogue Leader Killer7 Tales of Symphonia These are the ones off the top of my head.
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Rookersh posted:Yeah, I just ran my copy of Chibi-Robo on Dolphin 4.0-865. Seems to work fine in both OpenGL and Direct3D with the default Dolphin specs. When does it hardlock for you? When the family opens up chibo robo out of the box, during the intro
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Hz so good posted:When the family opens up chibo robo out of the box, during the intro Yeah not getting that. Check to make sure the file isn't corrupt I guess. What are your settings? As for the rest of the games listed. Luigi's Mansion should work flawlessly outside of no shadows. Killer7 used to have an issue with blood not collecting, but that was fixed in recent version of Dolphin ( 4.0 and up ). Billy Hatcher and Baten Kaitos both work perfectly for me, so not sure what kind of issues you could be having with them. Rebel Strike and Rogue Leader are no go's right now for anybody. Factor7 are basically techwizards, and emulating their games is about on par with emulating 360/Ps3 games, ie it'll be awhile. Did you modify the Dolphin settings at all? I made a fresh install of 4.0 just to check these, as I've been modifying my settings for various games. The default Dolphin settings played all the games with no issues.
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Rookersh posted:Yeah not getting that. Check to make sure the file isn't corrupt I guess. What are your settings? I was switching between DX9 and DX11, and when certain games would show some odd anomaly, I'd try using the tweaks one by one. I may've goofed something up there. I'll try reinstalling Dolphin 4 tomorrow, and leave everything default, and see what happens.
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Hz so good posted:I was switching between DX9 and DX11, and when certain games would show some odd anomaly, I'd try using the tweaks one by one. I may've goofed something up there. I'll try reinstalling Dolphin 4 tomorrow, and leave everything default, and see what happens. I'm not even sure if 4.0+ offers DX9/11 anymore. I believe they dropped 9 back at the 4.0 launch. Or at least that's my only options, Direct3D/OpenGL. Are you sure you are running an up to date version of Dolphin? You want to be downloading from https://dolphin-emu.org/, not http://www.dolphin-emulator.com/
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Feb 21, 2014 06:23
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Hz so good posted:PCSX2 Wiki: None of these are ISO issues.  Espgaluda hasn't been tested since a damned ancient version. ZeroGS KOSMOS is antiquated. Fatal Frame 2 works completely fine. I've gone through most of the game with stock settings and 2x textures. Digital Devil Saga's biggest trouble is that the shadows are on crack and make no sense. Otherwise, it runs completely fine on my 14" laptop. There isn't even an issue with the Simpsons Hit and Run link. The wiki is literally saying that it runs fine. 30/60 = 30fps internal, 60fps rendered, which is fairly normal. The Baten Kaitos glitch is probably fixed. It's been quite a while since 3.5, too. The Luigi's Mansion glitch is legit and is still present in 4.0. Try the SVNs? Rogue Leader 1/2 is dead as hell and is on the list of games that just don't work. Most of the licensed Star War games are batshit insane and have issues. See also: The n64 games. Tales of Symphonia just requires OpenGL and the projection hack, which is automatically enabled. Killer7 is playable on PCSX2 and should be played there. Are you obtaining lovely ISOs or using emucr builds of things? Also: Yeah, DX9 is removed from Dolphin 4.0. Most of the things fixed by DX9 are fine in DX11 or OpenGL now.
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Feb 21, 2014 07:18
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For anyone that has had issues with emulating certain PSX games, try out Xebra. I had tried a few times over the years to get The Misadventures of Tron Bonne to run on a bunch of different emulators and ran into huge issues every time. Tried Xebra out recently and other than some sound cracking everything ran fine out of the box. Glad I finally got to replay through the game, I've held onto my scratched up copy for years just because a working copy is 100$+ on ebay these days.
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Feb 21, 2014 07:59
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Hog Butcher posted:None of these are ISO issues. It's entirely possible the iso's are lovely. I was just hoping to rule out my graphic drivers, or something dumb I did to the setup in dolphin
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Feb 21, 2014 08:01
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Doesn't the atmosphere in Luigi's Mansion hinge on the shadows? Probably not worth playing without them, right?
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general chaos posted:Doesn't the atmosphere in Luigi's Mansion hinge on the shadows? Probably not worth playing without them, right? I never had a Gamecube, or played Luigi's Mansion back in the day, but it's still a really fun video game without them? I can tell something is missing, but the core game is solid enough on it's own I guess. Hog Butcher posted:
Killer7 was fixed on Dolphin recently. It's now the definitive version. This might just be my bias towards Dolphin though, almost everything works out of the gate on Dolphin, while even with excessive tweaking I still have problems with many Ps2 games.
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Feb 21, 2014 16:49
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PPSSPP is rad as gently caress at emulating the PSP. You can get automatically updated builds here. You need to get vcredist_x64 or vcredist_x86 from here for the newer Windows builds. That site also does automated builds of pcsx2.
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After I built a gaming PC, I thought it would be rad as poo poo to run some of my PS2 games at insane resolutions. Tried Klonoa 2: Lunateas Veil and it ran relatively smoothly but with graphical errors here and there. Just decided to plug in the old PS2 and do it classic style. Emulation stopped being cool when I realised I didn't want to replay the JRPGs of my youth again.
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Ramagamma posted:After I built a gaming PC, I thought it would be rad as poo poo to run some of my PS2 games at insane resolutions. Tried Klonoa 2: Lunateas Veil and it ran relatively smoothly but with graphical errors here and there. Just decided to plug in the old PS2 and do it classic style. I forgot about the graphics issues I had with Klonoa 2. I hope they're resolved in the latest PCSX2. And one thing you're missing about Emulation, is that it's not just about JRPGs. I mainly use it for games/consoles that were stolen, so I never had a chance to finish them, and for things like fighting games and SHMUPS, since I've had a devil of a time getting MAME to accept the ROMs/CHDs I've found. Constant "files missing" errors. So frustrating! Eventually, I'd love a few MAME cabinets. 2 player for fighting games, 2-4 player for classic beat 'em ups (Ninja Baseball Batman, FTW!), and a vertical oriented one for classic CAVE shmups.
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Hz so good posted:I didn't rip the GC games myself. Those came from various sources, and other users there attests that they tested fine, and worked great for them. Gimme a little while, and I'll post links of the games on PCSX2 and Dolphin giving me trouble. Here's an idea: Talk about the emulators and try not to talk about where you got the ROMs from, otherwise we're getting into piracy talk. Hz so good posted:I forgot about the graphics issues I had with Klonoa 2. I hope they're resolved in the latest PCSX2. Also, nobody needs to know or cares about your own personal use of what you use the emulators for so if you want this thread to stay around, keep it focused on emulators in general, not the ROMs, what you use them for and where you get them from.
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Louisgod posted:Here's an idea: Talk about the emulators and try not to talk about where you got the ROMs from, otherwise we're getting into piracy talk. Duly noted. quote:Also, nobody needs to know or cares about your own personal use of what you use the emulators for so if you want this thread to stay around, keep it focused on emulators in general, not the ROMs, what you use them for and where you get them from. K, then can anybody point me towards english language guides to getting NullDC, demul, or SSF running reliably? Seems like everytime it's one step forward, too steps back. And has anybody every gotten Daphne to work? It would be nice to see things like Dragons Lair/Space Ace in their original format. And I really *really* wish some movement would be made on emulating the original Xbox. All of mine died, due to faulty disc drives. Very frustrating. I had more trouble with it, than my launch X360. EDIT - I also forgot to ask, for folks running NeoGeo CD games, what emu do you use? Would winkawaks work? Hz so good fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Feb 21, 2014 |
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Louisgod posted:Here's an idea: Talk about the emulators and try not to talk about where you got the ROMs from, otherwise we're getting into piracy talk. And just to defend myself here, the links I posted there were to the compatibility pages of the respective emulators, NOT where to find/download them.
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Yo, MODs! If this thread has crossed the line, or any unwritten (but understood rules), feel free to delete it.
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Hz so good posted:Duly noted. Far as I know no one can even emulate Win98 with 3D acceleration hardware (what we need for games). So I imagine Xbox would be even further off.
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Ramagamma posted:After I built a gaming PC, I thought it would be rad as poo poo to run some of my PS2 games at insane resolutions. Tried Klonoa 2: Lunateas Veil and it ran relatively smoothly but with graphical errors here and there. Just decided to plug in the old PS2 and do it classic style. PS2 games are pretty dang hard to emulate and from my experience it's just easier to go find a ps2 at a flea market or in your closet or something. My computer can handle wii games at 1080p fine no problem but can't even do ps2 games at native res save for a few really simple games like amplitude
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Manchild King posted:Can those emulators be run reliably? Everyone has a different opinion of reliable but those I have found particularly tricky. Some DC games work fine with NullDC, but about 2/3rds of my collection does not. With the instructions in Nihongo, it's difficult for me to determine what I'm doing wrong. Couldn't you run Win98 in a VM? And since OX used an Intel CPU, a custom nVidia GPU, as well as their north/southbridge chips, I'd imagine it would be easier to emulate than other devices. If it weren't for the DVD drives failing, and people using OXs to part out, I'd just get an OX and mod it.
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nigga crab pollock posted:PS2 games are pretty dang hard to emulate and from my experience it's just easier to go find a ps2 at a flea market or in your closet or something. My computer can handle wii games at 1080p fine no problem but can't even do ps2 games at native res save for a few really simple games like amplitude That almost makes me wish I still had my copy of Super Mario Galaxy but unfortunately I gave it to a nephew as a birthday present.
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nigga crab pollock posted:PS2 games are pretty dang hard to emulate and from my experience it's just easier to go find a ps2 at a flea market or in your closet or something. My computer can handle wii games at 1080p fine no problem but can't even do ps2 games at native res save for a few really simple games like amplitude What are you're system specs? I can run a good portion of my PS2 library quite well, I just run into odd visual artifacting and some games diplaying multiple green vertical lines. That could be my AMD vid driver, though. The newest Catalyst driver is a BETA for the Mantle rollout, and I'm loathe to use it yet. The PS2 game that just shits the bed all over the place is Battle Engine Aquila. I'm guessing that one is very low on the totem pole to be fixed.
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Ramagamma posted:That almost makes me wish I still had my copy of Super Mario Galaxy but unfortunately I gave it to a nephew as a birthday present. I *almost* got into Wii emulation, but having to get an aftermarket sensorbar, and Wiimotes/Nunchucks just seemed like a huge pain. That said, I did fire a few ISOs up, like SMG, and they seemed to work A-OK. I was always more interested in hacking my Wii, so I could play point & click Lucasarts games on it.
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Hz so good posted:What are you're system specs? I can run a good portion of my PS2 library quite well, I just run into odd visual artifacting and some games diplaying multiple green vertical lines. That could be my AMD vid driver, though. The newest Catalyst driver is a BETA for the Mantle rollout, and I'm loathe to use it yet. Phenom II X3, 6870 and 4 gigs of ram. Yeah it's pretty poo poo and if you have a new-ish computer it'll probably be fast enough to do ps2 games
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Hz so good posted:I *almost* got into Wii emulation, but having to get an aftermarket sensorbar, and Wiimotes/Nunchucks just seemed like a huge pain. Games that don't require a wiimote work fine like xenoblade or monster hunter, just use a dualshock or 360 pad. Well there's probably better and easier ways to play monster hunter than the outdated wii version but when i was emulating it MH3 was ~super new and fancy~
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Hz so good posted:Duly noted. Nobody is going to make progress on the Xbox. You can not expect anyone to make progress on the Xbox. You can spend $30 and get a used one. The only conceivable way anyone is going to make Xbox progress is if like, the Dolphin team skitter off and do another miracle like PPSSPP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExesNliatcc This is the newest progress anyone's made since like, 2010. If you know what DLL Hell is on older versions of Windows, imagine that, except it's usually a different set of XDK files for each game. NullDC is fairly straightforward unless you're using more lovely ISOs. demul doesn't make much sense and I've never bothered with it. Focus on just running the game normally instead of trying to get it running at a high definition or anything. There are english guides to running SSF if you google "SSF emulator." You can also use Bizhawk which uses the Yabause engine.Daphne has a working guide on their website. MAME has a different romset than Kawaks and NeoRageX. MAME also has different romsets depending on its version. MAME is kind of insane. Some actual good information: The TAS versions of emulators are usually good choices. Bizhawk works on a fuckton of systems and uses the most accurate cores possible. If you have a computer with a working processor PCSX2 has a thread here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3255267&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 The Dolphin thread is gone, but if you have archives, they're helpful. Maybe it's time for a new one? Dolphin has been getting easier and easier to deal with since the old glory days when people were buying newfangled dualcores to run Smash Bros at 15fps.
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nigga crab pollock posted:Phenom II X3, 6870 and 4 gigs of ram. Yeah it's pretty poo poo and if you have a new-ish computer it'll probably be fast enough to do ps2 games Ah, ok. That could be why. I'm running a stock i7-2600K, 3GB radeon 7950, and 8 GB DDR3-1333. CPU and GPU really seem to make a big difference in PCSX2
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Hog Butcher posted:Nobody is going to make progress on the Xbox. You can not expect anyone to make progress on the Xbox. You can spend $30 and get a used one. The only conceivable way anyone is going to make Xbox progress is if like, the Dolphin team skitter off and do another miracle like PPSSPP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExesNliatcc This is the newest progress anyone's made since like, 2010. If you know what DLL Hell is on older versions of Windows, imagine that, except it's usually a different set of XDK files for each game. You're right, I'll probably have to bite the bullet, and get a OX, a bigger HD (since those opticals fail FAST), and some type of mod (don't know what to look for). I've read the english SSF guides, and none are helpful on forcing it to recognize the BIOS/Language selection without multiple start/restarts. Never heard of Bizhawk. I'll take a peak at it. Something else that may help is updating my drivers, whenever AMD decides to put out a non-Mantle BETA driver. That's been causing issues all over the place, ATM.
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If you get a memory card with a cable, modding the Xbox takes about three minutes. You just need one of like four games that the Xbox flips out on. It then becomes the second best SNES/GBA/PSX ever, with the PSP being the best. 
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Hz so good posted:Yo, MODs! If this thread has crossed the line, or any unwritten (but understood rules), feel free to delete it. The only "unwritten" rule is openly discussing where to obtain ROMs, linking to them and insinuating that you own the ROMs without owning the original format (ie piracy). Aside from that talking about emulators if perfectly kosher and we actually have a thread or two about Dolphin and another emulator, I believe.
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Hog Butcher posted:It then becomes the second best SNES/GBA/PSX ever, with the PSP being the best. Has there been progress on emulators for PSP in the last 2-4 years? Mine has been collecting dust and I'd love to break it out and get it all updated and cleaned up, but I'm curious if there's been progress on any of the emulators, they all sort of felt thrown together, or poorly tranlated from Japanese etc, just working "well enough" with a weird janky menus. Did someone come in and drop a retroarch type program that just controls everything now?
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I managed to run Metal Gear Solid 3 at 4x native res with an i5-2500k@4.4GHz, it looked great, CPU is so important. I've been told that real-time Xbox 360 and PS3 emulation will never, ever happen, even taking into account advances in CPUs over the next decade. How come? I'm sure I remember there being similar noises about the PS2 when it was the newest thing. Trying PS2 emulation for the first time, I was running a 2.53GHz P4. It didn't go too well.
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