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Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Moai Ou posted:

any other good crime stuff?

Stray Bullets!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stray_Bullets
Started in 1995, put on hiatus with one issue to go in 2005 and just resurrected this year by Image for that final comic and a new series.
It was only re-issued in an enormous 1200 page tome https://imagecomics.com/comics/releases/stray-bullets-the-uber-alles-edition-tp (as well as digital single issues on Comixology), so that's a commitment, but it's so great.

There are old, way out of print smaller collections if you can find em.

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Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Moai Ou posted:

A friend of mine wants to get into comics, but generally only reads true crime books. The only true crime comic I can think of is Bendis' Torso. Are there any others out there?

Failing true crime books, any other good crime stuff? I've already loaned her Criminal, and planning on Jinx. Gotham Central & Bendis & Brubaker's Daredevil are on my short list too.

Darwyn Cooke's Parker graphic novels and Catwoman: Selina's Big Score would be perfect for her.

Superior Foes of Spider-Man is about gritty, street-level, D-list supervillains planning heists, with quite a bit of tension-breaking comic relief.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

While we're talking Bendis, Alias and Goldfish. Alias is also a sneaky gateway drug into superhero comics :getin:

100 Bullets, too, maybe?

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

I blazed through The Green River Killer and My Friend Dahmer recently and can recommend both of those. From Hell is also a possibility. Although, on second thought, be careful you don't creep her out since I'm feeling like a weirdo sharing fozzy fosbourne's favorite serial killer comics..

Genetic Toaster
Jun 5, 2011

zoux posted:

100 Bullets, too, maybe?

100 Bullets is very much love it or hate it (I personally love it) and drops the gritty crime drama aspect partway through to focus on a conspiracy plot. It's super hard to get into and ridiculously hard to follow (I only really started to understand the plot after reading that fan website), so I wouldn't recommend it to someone trying to get into comic books.

Senor Candle
Nov 5, 2008

Genetic Toaster posted:

100 Bullets is very much love it or hate it (I personally love it) and drops the gritty crime drama aspect partway through to focus on a conspiracy plot. It's super hard to get into and ridiculously hard to follow (I only really started to understand the plot after reading that fan website), so I wouldn't recommend it to someone trying to get into comic books.

I would maybe recommend the first trade at least. I think it's super solid story by itself.

Genetic Toaster
Jun 5, 2011

Senor Candle posted:

I would maybe recommend the first trade at least. I think it's super solid story by itself.

Maybe Brother Lono? It eschews the Minuteman conspiracy plot for south of the border crime story but it's even harder to get into and I'm not sure whether it stands up on its own, rather than as an epilogue to 100 Bullets.

Brocktoon
Jul 18, 2006

Before we engage we should hang back and study their tactics.

Moai Ou posted:

A friend of mine wants to get into comics, but generally only reads true crime books. The only true crime comic I can think of is Bendis' Torso. Are there any others out there?

Failing true crime books, any other good crime stuff? I've already loaned her Criminal, and planning on Jinx. Gotham Central & Bendis & Brubaker's Daredevil are on my short list too.

"Criminal" by Brubaker

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

Kiss the Joycon to Kiss Zelda

Brocktoon posted:

"Criminal" by Brubaker
He mentions it in the post which you quoted.

Brocktoon
Jul 18, 2006

Before we engage we should hang back and study their tactics.

irlZaphod posted:

He mentions it in the post which you quoted.

Well, I'm a moron that can't read...

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
I am usually someone who follows writers more than artists, but I'm reading Planetary and between that and find memories of the Whedon/Cassaday Astonishing X-men I want more Cassaday in my life. Writer doesn't matter that much, but you know all those people who won't read a book no matter how good the writer is if Greg Land is on it. Imagine the opposite.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

Kiss the Joycon to Kiss Zelda

Before his X-Men, he did some Captain America (I think with Waid?) He also did the opening arc of Remender's Uncanny Avengers, but it was badly delayed and tbh I felt like a lot of it was phoned in by Cassaday.

Adam Strange
Oct 11, 2012

He laughs. The line goes dead.
Cassaday got really bad somewhere between the end of Astonishing and drawing Superman covers.

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer

Skwirl posted:

I am usually someone who follows writers more than artists, but I'm reading Planetary and between that and find memories of the Whedon/Cassaday Astonishing X-men I want more Cassaday in my life. Writer doesn't matter that much, but you know all those people who won't read a book no matter how good the writer is if Greg Land is on it. Imagine the opposite.
This coming from a big Cassaday fan--you've already hit his best. His work on I Am Legion is pretty solid, I guess, but the story was a total snoozer. His covers for Superman Grounded were laughable and his work on Uncanny Avengers was unremarkable. If you're looking for a decent deep cut, find a copy of his Teen Titans Annual 1 from 1997, a "Pulp Heroes" standalone. Also, I've never read it, but you could give Desperadoes a try.

edit: poo poo, he did an X-Men/Alpha Flight 2-parter I never knew about.

redbackground fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Apr 25, 2014

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

irlZaphod posted:

Before his X-Men, he did some Captain America (I think with Waid?) He also did the opening arc of Remender's Uncanny Avengers, but it was badly delayed and tbh I felt like a lot of it was phoned in by Cassaday.

It was John Ney Reiber's Captain America run, the run that preceded Ed Brubaker's (so 2001-ish). I've never heard anyone discuss it, though.

He also directed a Season 2 episode of Joss Whedon's underrated TV series Dollhouse, which is an interesting career footnote. Good episode, too.

Lily Catts
Oct 17, 2012

Show me the way to you
(Heavy Metal)
Is Cassaday the reason why Planetary took so long to finish? What's with his delays?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Schneider Heim posted:

Is Cassaday the reason why Planetary took so long to finish? What's with his delays?

Ellis' father's illness and death contributed to the delays I believe.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Is the Paul Cornell "Black Ring" run on Action Comics worth checking out?

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Metal Loaf posted:

Is the Paul Cornell "Black Ring" run on Action Comics worth checking out?

Yes. It is all Lex Luthor and his Lois Lane bot.

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer

Metal Loaf posted:

Is the Paul Cornell "Black Ring" run on Action Comics worth checking out?
It is! He hasn't written anything better (or as good) since, sadly.

redbackground fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Apr 25, 2014

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Thanks! I'm only familiar with Cornell from his Doctor Who work, which I enjoy; I haven't read any of his comics.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Metal Loaf posted:

Thanks! I'm only familiar with Cornell from his Doctor Who work, which I enjoy; I haven't read any of his comics.

His Wisdom and Captain Britain and MI-13 is incredible and the best thing he has ever written. His Wolverine is just there. It is good, but not interesting so I can't recommend it or tell you to avoid it.

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Knight and Squire and Demon Knights were good.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:

It was John Ney Reiber's Captain America run, the run that preceded Ed Brubaker's (so 2001-ish). I've never heard anyone discuss it, though.

It was a decent run that wasn't as good as it thought it was - which is to day, it was a solid bunch of comics that thought it was the Biggest Deal Ever with a Real Gritty Story Ripped From The Headlines. So... eh. Pretty, though.

Metal Loaf posted:

Is the Paul Cornell "Black Ring" run on Action Comics worth checking out?

Yes. Amazing run, arguably the best thing he's written (though Captain Britain and MI-13 gives it a run for its money).

I like his Wolverine run a lot more than most around here, but even so his earlier work set such a high bar that it's tough for him to live up to it, methinks.

Capn Jobe
Jan 18, 2003

That's right. Here it is. But it's like you always have compared the sword, the making of the sword, with the making of the character. Cuz the stronger, the stronger it will get, right, the stronger the steel will get, with all that, and the same as with the character.
Soiled Meat
I learned about Ennis' The Boys on SA some years ago. Finally now, thanks to a long train commute and Comixology, I've been working my way through it. And let me say, I've been loving it; I was expecting 'dark' humor, but it's just insane.

Only problem is, I'm coming close to the end, and I guess I'll need a recommendation as to what to read next. I'm pretty new to comics, actually; I mean I've read Watchmen and some of the early Ultimate Marvel titles, but that's mostly it.

I suppose the obvious choice would be Preacher, and I definitely want to read that, but can anyone toss any other recs my way?

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

Uncanny X-Force from Rick Remender.

Veg
Oct 13, 2008

:smug::smug::xd:
I am loving Preacher and X-Force so much. I roared with laughter when Deadpool was talking about being loved during the Dethlok story.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.
Preacher, obviously. Also, Ennis' Punisher Max run was great. Otherwise, go sci-fi and try Transmetropolitan by Ellis. You'll know if you like it within three issues.

BOAT SHOWBOAT
Oct 11, 2007

who do you carry the torch for, my young man?
I'm reading through Grant Morrison's original run of Animal Man and loving it. Is the rest of the comic worth reading after he stopped writing it?

As for further recommendations, are there other comics like this - taking less well-known characters and adding a horror bent to them?

Mimir
Nov 26, 2012

BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:

I'm reading through Grant Morrison's original run of Animal Man and loving it. Is the rest of the comic worth reading after he stopped writing it?

As for further recommendations, are there other comics like this - taking less well-known characters and adding a horror bent to them?

Swamp Thing, Sandman (in the vaguest possible way), and Miracleman are all beloved comics that take a "darker" look at previously underexposed characters. You might also like Morrison's Doom Patrol.

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:

I'm reading through Grant Morrison's original run of Animal Man and loving it. Is the rest of the comic worth reading after he stopped writing it?

You should jump to the just completed series of Animal Man by Jeff Lemire.

Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Apr 28, 2014

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007


Get Ready for Price Time , Bitch



I ended up reading a copy of the Golden rear end by Milo Manara, and are there any other works of his that people could recommend that are not straight up porn. I really enjoy the art and his humour . even the the Golden rear end is kind of pornographic it actually has a really interesting story. Most of his stuff is in italian I think and it's hard to find descriptions of his work to figure out which is not just porn. I just like that art style specifically.

Shawn
Feb 6, 2003

I yiffed two people at once and all I got was laughed at.
Dark horse released some hardcovers. The ones marked "Erotica" are the pornographic ones. The ones just named "Manara" have his more toned down works. I'm posting from a phone otherwise I'd post the amazon links.

Edit:
This line is the regular line
http://www.amazon.com/Manara-Library-1-Milo/dp/159582782X/ref=la_B005BL0YTU_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1398789988&sr=1-3

This line is the porno
http://www.amazon.com/Manara-Erotica-1-Milo/dp/159582779X/ref=la_B005BL0YTU_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1398789988&sr=1-2

Shawn fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Apr 29, 2014

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007


Get Ready for Price Time , Bitch



I'll look into that, yeah I'd prefer just to get his normal books that while probably graphic just aren't a porn. It was just kind of hard to tell while searching which ones were porn and which ones were just his "normal" work.

Sad Mammal
Feb 5, 2008

You see me laughin
e: Whoops, wrong forum.

Sad Mammal fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Apr 29, 2014

ExMortis
Feb 14, 2012

Let's RUNNING!! :ussr:
I'm generally out of the loop on most comics, so couple things:

Played some Squirrel Girl in the Marvel Heroes PC thing and found her to be cute in an earnest way which was counter to what I expected (like, Deadpool at his worst, plus squirrels). Is there any good Squirrel Girl stuff that is more "adorable and genuinely trying hard to be a superhero" than just "LOL Squirrels beat Dr. Doom, guys!! Right? Right?!?"

Also not having ever read any Ghost Rider, what are some good stories for him? The only related thing I've read is some of the Larry Hama BLAZE which chafed on me. Felt like it was trying too hard to be Spawn with weirdo freaks and kee-razy serial killers. That said I do genuinely like early Spawn so I'm not necessarily against *90's*. Is Midnight Sons worth reading?

SMP
May 5, 2009

ExMortis posted:

I'm generally out of the loop on most comics, so couple things:

Played some Squirrel Girl in the Marvel Heroes PC thing and found her to be cute in an earnest way which was counter to what I expected (like, Deadpool at his worst, plus squirrels). Is there any good Squirrel Girl stuff that is more "adorable and genuinely trying hard to be a superhero" than just "LOL Squirrels beat Dr. Doom, guys!! Right? Right?!?"

Also not having ever read any Ghost Rider, what are some good stories for him? The only related thing I've read is some of the Larry Hama BLAZE which chafed on me. Felt like it was trying too hard to be Spawn with weirdo freaks and kee-razy serial killers. That said I do genuinely like early Spawn so I'm not necessarily against *90's*. Is Midnight Sons worth reading?

Jason Aaron's run for Ghost Rider was great, just be sure to get the mini-series that finishes it up (Ghost Rider: Heaven's on Fire)

Anime_Otaku
Dec 6, 2009
I'm kind of into comics that have superheroes but slaps them in the face with a dose of something that is close to reality. I'm talking about either things like Penence where the vigilante superheroes are faced by actual competent police forces who actually bring them to justice when a villian gets knockec off of a roof. Alternately books like Supurbia, Ultra or Hero 9 to 5 where superheroes are pretty much treated as celebs or atheletes and are otherwise just normal people except for the superpowers.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Anime_Otaku posted:

I'm kind of into comics that have superheroes but slaps them in the face with a dose of something that is close to reality. I'm talking about either things like Penence where the vigilante superheroes are faced by actual competent police forces who actually bring them to justice when a villian gets knockec off of a roof. Alternately books like Supurbia, Ultra or Hero 9 to 5 where superheroes are pretty much treated as celebs or atheletes and are otherwise just normal people except for the superpowers.

Powers by Bendis night be up your ally

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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Bendis/Brubaker Daredevil is all about Matt Murdoch having the real world legal machinery thrown at him. X-Statix is basically a case study on marketing superheroes as celebrities.

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