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CharlestheHammer posted:You can’t sacrifice your life to save people 24/7 your allowed to be a person It's not so much that he's allowed or not but with his super senses the implication is that he is ignoring lots of problems he knows about.
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Lobok posted:It's not so much that he's allowed or not but with his super senses the implication is that he is ignoring lots of problems he knows about. Don't we all...
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That line of logic leads to that one web comic with the regenerator being used as a perpetual organ farm. It was apparently voluntary on that characters part, but it does get pretty grotesque fast.
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Lobok posted:It's not so much that he's allowed or not but with his super senses the implication is that he is ignoring lots of problems he knows about. I am too.
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^^Sure, but he's supposed to better than us.Nessus posted:That line of logic leads to that one web comic with the regenerator being used as a perpetual organ farm. It was apparently voluntary on that characters part, but it does get pretty grotesque fast. I was just pointing out it wasn't a case of "allowed" like he is being judged externally, it would be something weighing on him constantly. I don't actually agree with it, though. I enjoy Superman, and like most heroes I usually have to handwave a bunch of stuff or be ok with some cognitive dissonance. thetoughestbean posted:don’t think about the implications of capeshit too much
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Kurui Reiten posted:Honestly I think when you feel the need to make Superman the absolute paragon in every single aspect and trait he has, you really weaken the character overall. It's easy to be the perfect moral example and righteous defender when you have effective omnipotence and no meaningful wants or needs. The more human you can make Superman, the better a character he tends to be. That includes having things he's simply not the best at, and challenges that can't be overcome by just tanking them until they stop being challenges. Perhaps strangely to the claim I've just made, except in rare cases, the consequences of Superman's failure don't happen to him; they happen to his reputation, or to the cat stuck in the tree, or to the 264 people trapped on the sinking Metropolis-Gotham Clipper -- and Superman considers these worse than a severe beating because he's failed to keep others safe. (Even with damage to his reputation: fewer people will trust him and seek him out when they need help, will hesitate when he shows up to help, or -- and only in his quietest times with Lois does he admit this -- his self-doubt means he might make a mistake. But she reassures him that he never will if he's just true to himself.) Making villains more powerful than Superman leads to (at its worst) the creation of Doomsday and the two of them punching each other over and over, shockwaves breaking windows for miles around (but somehow Lois is 15 feet away and unaffected), a mindless slugfest that's entertaining to no one. How many splash pages of Superman fighting an Imperiex probe or Mongul can you take? One last bit to my rant, off of another post. Even if he flies through the Sun or whatever, I have a hard time thinking Supes should ever (e.g.) be faster than the Flash, even if there's a cost to it. Flash's whole deal is he's the fastest person alive, not the fastest person alive except when Superman decides to go Super Saiyan. Let the jacks of all trades have their places and the specialists have theirs.
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Irredeemable had its flaws, but the "Pick 10" bit always stuck with me
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Irredeemable mainly needed to stop half its run earlier and never even consider Incorruptible.
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Nessus posted:That line of logic leads to that one web comic with the regenerator being used as a perpetual organ farm. It was apparently voluntary on that characters part, but it does get pretty grotesque fast. lol this loving comic man then they sprinkle her with fairy dust so she can regenerate even faster so she can do all her organ farming in one day and then be a character in the comic for 6 days a week
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Rhaka posted:Irredeemable mainly needed to stop half its run earlier and never even consider Incorruptible. coulda done without jailbait too
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Rhaka posted:Irredeemable mainly needed to stop half its run earlier and never even consider Incorruptible. site posted:coulda done without jailbait too oh you mean you don't like his explicitly underage partner that the author needs to tell you every few pages, he absolutely hosed on the regular, and who constantly tries to seduce him into more underage sexing but he resists because Good Guys Don't gently caress Kids And I'm A Good Guy (Now)
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Wasn't that whole mess from Incorruptible? Because yes, yes that is why. Hate Crime is another one that needed to be shot into the sun. What in the poo poo were editors snorting
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Admiralty Flag posted:One last bit to my rant, off of another post. Even if he flies through the Sun or whatever, I have a hard time thinking Supes should ever (e.g.) be faster than the Flash, even if there's a cost to it. Flash's whole deal is he's the fastest person alive, not the fastest person alive except when Superman decides to go Super Saiyan. Let the jacks of all trades have their places and the specialists have theirs.  Flash Rebirth #3
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Rhaka posted:Wasn't that whole mess from Incorruptible? Because yes, yes that is why. maybe, tbh i can't keep track of which is which and i don't care enough to check
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Hey guys Im Max Damage and my superpower is pedophilia
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Technically his super power is he isn’t a pedophile but he totally could be if he wanted
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site posted:maybe, tbh i can't keep track of which is which and i don't care enough to check For some reason, got my ultra violent evil Superman stories mixed up I guess, I used to think Invincible, Incorruptible and Irredeemable were all related.
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Incorruptable and Irredeemable are, the former was a spin off
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Nessus posted:That line of logic leads to that one web comic with the regenerator being used as a perpetual organ farm. It was apparently voluntary on that characters part, but it does get pretty grotesque fast. Yeah, it was pretty much what you might expect overall of somebody who never read superhero stories but had Big Ideas about how they would really work.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Technically his super power is he isn’t a pedophile but he totally could be if he wanted *not any more, definitely used to be (this is unambiguously spelled out like a dozen times throughout the comic)
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Admiralty Flag posted:Counterpoint: "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?", which I think might be the best single-floppy Superman story. He's absolutely human (has doubts, hesitations, fears), absolutely a moral paragon, has extremely meaningful moral wants, has enemies who are more powerful than him, and he can't just punch his way out (before the climax, maybe he couldn't, maybe he could, but then he'd be breaking his moral code). I feel like your first paragraph absolutely supports mine, though? You even point out that he has enemies more powerful than him, and that simply tanking/punching the problem won't solve it. My point was that pushing Superman further and further away from being human, from having actual flaws and weaknesses and things he needs to overcome, makes him a worse character. Basically, when you try to make him into the absolute apex of pure perfect heroism and strength and such, he's just less interesting. Superman should never be the absolute peak in any aspect, except possibly in being the most human of us all.
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Lobok posted:It's not so much that he's allowed or not but with his super senses the implication is that he is ignoring lots of problems he knows about. I feel like somewhere along the way people came to the idea that suspension of disbelief was only for poo poo like magic and superpowers, to everyone's detriment.
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How many injustices do you ignore despite the fact you could do something about it but don’t
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Cabbit posted:I feel like somewhere along the way people came to the idea that suspension of disbelief was only for poo poo like magic and superpowers, to everyone's detriment. Ok, but I also followed up with another post shortly after saying I do suspend my disbelief for Superman.
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CharlestheHammer posted:How many injustices do you ignore despite the fact you could do something about it but don’t How much time can you stay active while denying yourself a social life or any break time before you go insane? 24 hours minus that Also remember Superman isn't Bruce Wayne, he has to hold down some kind of job otherwise he'll have to start stealing poo poo himself to get by.
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superman start a patreon
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeyhKWjQaKk
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TwoPair posted:How much time can you stay active while denying yourself a social life or any break time before you go insane? 24 hours minus that Would he? Can’t he just gain his power from the sun and live with his successful wife?
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TwoPair posted:How much time can you stay active while denying yourself a social life or any break time before you go insane? 24 hours minus that Superman can just grab a lump of coal and make diamonds
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Air Skwirl posted:Superman can just grab a lump of coal and make diamonds He starts doing that and DeBeers are going to figure out where to find Kryptonite so loving fast
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site posted:superman start a onlyfans
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do I have to post those pages from Astro City again
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TwoPair posted:How much time can you stay active while denying yourself a social life or any break time before you go insane? 24 hours minus that I remember reading an article that pointed out that when you take in to account all the technology Superman owns (from the Fortress of Solitude), Clark Kent is probably wealthier than Bruce Wayne. On the other hand Wayne has more liquid assets.
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Clark is super-ethical so he is never going to get rich, unless he figures his poo poo out and Does Something about all the wealth aggregators
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Flesh Forge posted:Clark is super-ethical so he is never going to get rich, unless he figures his poo poo out and Does Something about all the wealth aggregators Be kind of hard to kick Oliver Queen and Bruce Wayne into the sun.
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Flesh Forge posted:Clark is super-ethical so he is never going to get rich, unless he figures his poo poo out and Does Something about all the wealth aggregators It's hard to claim ethics when your day job for you and your wife is to write news article propaganda all day about your alter ego.
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ImpAtom posted:Be kind of hard to kick Oliver Queen and Bruce Wayne into the sun. Not really, Superman has super-strength
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even Superman's might fails before the incredible power of Enlightened Capitalism
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