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Vincent posted:"I died before. It was boring, so I stood up" It's an extremely Warren Ellis sentence, too. Minus a bit of profanity.
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Madkal posted:It's funny that my friends who don't read comics often love Civil War. I think when you take character no-one knows the history behind and turn them into broad characters devoid of backhistory you can appeal to a big market. Kind of like Identity Crisis in that respect.
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Mar 12, 2014 00:32
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Metal Loaf posted:Kind of like Identity Crisis in that respect. Well yes, if we didn't know that the world's best detective wasn't really incompetent.
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Mar 12, 2014 00:40
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Lurdiak posted:Well it was pretty flaccid at doing that when the end of the story is the horribly wrong side being vindicated despite their cartoonish evil actions. And not even in a depressing way where the public thinks the good guys won but evil prevailed, either, it's straight up Tony Stark being like "Yeah, I was the good guy all along! Just ask my friend, the Hate-Monger!". The ending to Civil War did need work but it's not terrible and some of the proposed endings were worse. (Like Mark Millar's sprawling 12 issue series that would have incorporated World War Hulk as a sort of side event that was going to be stopped by the Pro-Reg side to show how much more effective they were at stopping threats, and had a machine that took away super powers as the sort of Deus Ex Machina.) Or the ending where the Mom from Stamford was going to interupt the fight between Cap and Tony and just scold them for being children. There were worse endings, but that doesn't mean "Cap is defeated by the Heroes of 9/11" is still a good ending. It's just a clumsy and ill-fitted metaphor attached to an otherwise okay ending. Had they just removed that, and have Cap give up when he looks at the crowd and realizes he has lost all public support and has become nothing more than a bully in their eyes. That the fighting needs to stop so rebuilding can be done, then that's a fine ending. I mean what is the alternative? Cap and the Anti-Reg side beats up Tony Stark....so now the Government has to repeal the legislation. Because that's how things work, right? Also the public is no longer allowed by afraid of Superhumans....because the Superhumans say so!
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Mar 12, 2014 01:07
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Here's the pages from Civil War #7 of Sue Storm turning Taskmaster into a walking advertisement for Pizza Hut. 
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Mar 12, 2014 04:18
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Good going taking a bullet for the person who makes force fields, Reed.
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Mar 12, 2014 04:20
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Lars Blitzer posted:See: the Mightygodking's aforementioned edit. http://mightygodking.com/2010/06/17/from-the-moldering-portion-of-the-vaults/ "Think they'll start making "Cap Was Right" t-shirts?" Not after AvX 
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Mar 12, 2014 04:39
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Hakkesshu posted:I actually think it reads pretty well as a stand-alone story. The ending still sucks, but it's a good concept, and there are a couple really awesome moments (like the part where Spider-Man turns on Tony). It's just when you consider the context of every other tie-in book, plus present and past comics history, there are so many inconsistensies and weird choices that it becomes harder to justify. Civil War is a good storyline and makes sense...except for the fact that for decades and decades the setting has ignored, except in very selective cases, the possibility of mankind actually wanting their rights protected from the legitimately concerning issue of super powered rampages has. You can't just suddenly inject that particular brand of realism and expect it to take, your setting or story has to have it inbuilt as a central conceit to work. The Marvel universe isn't that universe and can't be that universe. But divorced from these issues Tony was totally right 
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Mar 12, 2014 05:18
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Captain Oblivious posted:Civil War is a good storyline and makes sense...except for the fact that for decades and decades the setting has ignored, except in very selective cases, the possibility of mankind actually wanting their rights protected from the legitimately concerning issue of super powered rampages has. You can't just suddenly inject that particular brand of realism and expect it to take, your setting or story has to have it inbuilt as a central conceit to work. The Marvel universe isn't that universe and can't be that universe. It's not decades, thanks to the sliding timeline about the time of Civil War the Fantastic Four had only been around about 15ish years and the registration act came up in response not only to Stanford, but a particularly bad Hulk rampage in Vegas and a massive bombing in (I think) Philadelphia (one of the first arcs in Brubaker's Captain America run) all right in a row. It makes sense in universe to a certain degree
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Mar 12, 2014 05:42
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Went looking for the Spider-Man vs. Iron Man fight and found some other Spidey bad assitude instead. Civil War #7 again. So, Spider-Man is just this jokey guy who bounces around, right?  Don't know the number of this one, but after Peter outs himself as SM, Kingpin sends an assassin who shoots Aunt May. Peter then bitch slaps the hell out of Kingpin. 
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Mar 12, 2014 07:58
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Christ I had that issue, but I didn't realize he picked up the Kingpin by his loving skin.
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Mar 12, 2014 08:04
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That little section between new avengers and one more day where Peter was treated as a guy who had seen, done and fought everything was a really nice stint of Peter getting the respect he deserves from the hero community, A.K.A. distancing himself from readers gotta fix it!
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Mar 12, 2014 08:21
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SirDan3k posted:That little section between new avengers and one more day where Peter was treated as a guy who had seen, done and fought everything was a really nice stint of Peter getting the respect he deserves from the hero community, A.K.A. distancing himself from readers gotta fix it! Some of my favorite Spider-Man stories came out of that era. Now I have no loving idea what is going on with the character anymore. Anyway, Spider-Man is badass:   (Don't remember the source)       (Punisher: War Zone #1)   (Avengers: The Initiative #3)
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Mar 12, 2014 10:41
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DarkCrawler posted:Some of my favorite Spider-Man stories came out of that era. That last one was just him being a huge dick, especially considering what kinda person he was before getting powers.
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Mar 12, 2014 10:44
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Sue Storm has had some great badass moments in recent years. Please post them if you have them. Fantastic Four #602    FF #2 
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Mar 12, 2014 11:14
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AnonSpore posted:That last one was just him being a huge dick, especially considering what kinda person he was before getting powers. ...when did "Being a huge dick" stop being Spider-Man's thing in pretty much every fight?
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Mar 12, 2014 11:23
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With those last two series of posts, have Spidey and Sue ever had a proper team up? I don't remember many scenes between the two of them in their FF issues.
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Mar 12, 2014 13:23
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Time to post Spider-Man getting some kick-rear end time? Time for some Secret Wars. 
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Mar 12, 2014 13:50
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prefect posted:Time to post Spider-Man getting some kick-rear end time? SWAT!
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Mar 12, 2014 16:18
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SirDan3k posted:That little section between new avengers and one more day where Peter was treated as a guy who had seen, done and fought everything was a really nice stint of Peter getting the respect he deserves from the hero community, A.K.A. distancing himself from readers gotta fix it! Exactly. It was that point in the long running sitcom where the loser protagonist gets the recognition they deserve before being regressed back to their original form. Also that Punisher/Spidey scene is probably my favorite portrayal of Spidey's fighting style and how terrifying he could be.
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Mar 12, 2014 17:31
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DarkCrawler posted:
Frank, what are you doing.  (Punisher MAX #19)
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Mar 14, 2014 06:29
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Why was Spider Man going up against Snake from Metal Gear just then?
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Mar 14, 2014 06:39
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Thunderfinger posted:Why was Spider Man going up against Snake from Metal Gear just then? It was a really unfortunate phase Punisher recently got over.
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Mar 14, 2014 06:42
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Lurdiak posted:It was a really unfortunate phase Punisher recently got over. While the Punisher relaunch right now is perfectly fine, and Thunderbolts has improved since Soule took over, Rucka's Punisher was still really good and it's a crime that it ended for anything Way wanted to do.
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Mar 14, 2014 07:51
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It looks like he's leaning against the van, so that's why he's holding it sideways once, and the other his him just pulling the gun away from the window. I don't think he was really able to take aim.
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Mar 14, 2014 14:25
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It's Spider-Man anyway, shooting at him is somewhat of a Hail Mary no matter which way the sights are lined up.
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Mar 16, 2014 11:22
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I had to read this twice to realize he wasn't fighting Ms. Marvel.  FWAH-BLAMM!
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Mar 16, 2014 11:33
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KittenofDoom posted:Christ I had that issue, but I didn't realize he picked up the Kingpin by his loving skin. Was it Grim Hunt where Peter got so loving pissed he started tearing off people's skin by adhesing to their faces? I love when authors play the "poo poo got real" situations with Spider-Man, they are always way more frightening because of the emotional charge set into his stories and the blurry upper limit of his powers. Compare to the overused "red eyes Superman" image which has lost all impact since "For the Man Who Has Everything".
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Superman/Wonder Woman #4 had a crazy ending, so spoilers... They've been having a big multi-issue fight with Zod and Faora, demonstrated the power of super-holding-hands  but got beat the gently caress up and thrown into a nuclear reactor, shielded from the sun.    
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Teenage Fansub posted:Superman/Wonder Woman #4 had a crazy ending, so spoilers... So, uh, they're dead?
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Mar 16, 2014 21:12
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muscles like this? posted:So, uh, they're dead? Yup.
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Mar 16, 2014 21:14
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muscles like this? posted:So, uh, they're dead? He looks mostly intact, so I'm sure he'll come around after a little sunshine. Not so sure about her.
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Mar 16, 2014 21:15
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It's morbid but funny how the titular characters are charred husks in the middle of a nuclear wasteland and at the bottom is DC COMICS PROUDLY PRESENTS.
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Mar 16, 2014 21:17
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AnonSpore posted:It's morbid but funny how the titular characters are charred husks in the middle of a nuclear wasteland and at the bottom is DC COMICS PROUDLY PRESENTS. The New 52 summed up in one post.
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prefect posted:He looks mostly intact, so I'm sure he'll come around after a little sunshine. Not so sure about her. The cape probably protected her or something.
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Mar 16, 2014 21:24
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muscles like this? posted:So, uh, they're dead? No, that's just how Kal looks anytime he's been pushed past his endurance. He always gets a little dessicated. When the sun shines down on him he'll be fine.
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Drifter posted:No, that's just how Kal looks anytime he's been pushed past his endurance. He always gets a little dessicated. When the sun shines down on him he'll be fine. Yeah that's very clearly Dark Knight Returns call back where he's a husk from a nuclear explosion and she's safe and covered up in his cape.
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muscles like this? posted:So, uh, they're dead? Yeah, in the world of comic books, once dead always dead. 
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So, uh, did they write Lois out or something? Because the whole 'Superman and Wonder Woman are an item' thing never worked for me.
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FredMSloniker posted:So, uh, did they write Lois out or something? Because the whole 'Superman and Wonder Woman are an item' thing never worked for me. When they restarted everything with New 52 Clark and Lois weren't together or even interested in each other.
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