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Jun 7, 2007

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Android Blues posted:

The latter, I think. An intuitive understanding of meter is quite hard to develop, and a lot of people (even people with English degrees!) have an understanding of poetry that boils down to "rhyming couplets of roughly similar length", or like an abab rhyme scheme if they're feeling fancy. Meter isn't generally taught in American high schools apart from a brief nod to iambic pentameter. No-one's out here knowing what a trochee is.

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Jiro posted:

I liked a lot of the fight scenes! And Franken-Faramir
:( Plus there's a massively wide margin of quality between something like the first season of Jessica Jones and it's writing and tone vs Punisher, it's freaking night and day. You have the cream of the crop in first season Daredevil and Jessica Jones, then just slightly below that with Luke Cage and second season Daredevil then just a massive drop in quality with Punisher and another rung below that for Iron Fist.
I have to disagree with placing Luke Cage (Season One) so high. Every episode had both Luke and at least one other black character giving a speech full of platitudes, which just killed the momentum. Also, the suspense was weak outside the special bullets. OK, he’s invulnerable? There’s a bunch of other ways to get at him. And while that did happen a couple of times, there were a lot of scenes merely showing off how strong and invulnerable he was, and that just lacked any drama. Entire episodes seemed to lack any meaningful conflict or suspense.

But the worst part, at least as it appeared to me, whenever the show got provocative or actually looked at the problems of poverty and drugs, it pulled up. It seemed to me that the writers really wanted to make sure the audience knew they were woke and on the “right side.” That was the weak play. For example, the one intro where the band is performing to Cottonmouth: as a non-black watcher, I felt uncomfortable listening to the lyrics and watching the performance/interaction between the band and Cottonmouth. Making someone with privilege feel uncomfortable without being preached at in a show theoretically about race, poverty, and related issues is a great thing, both artistically and politically. But moments like that were all too rare.

I was going to argue that DD S2 needed to be ranked higher, specifically because of the Punisher, but then I remembered the hallway fight in DD S1, which is an ace in the trump suit in any discussion of these shows.


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Patrick Spens posted:

The CGI rhinoceroses were the literal weakest part of that movie.
FTFY

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Wonder Woman is a much better candidate to be worthy than Superman, given reasonable assumptions about the Asgardian moral code.

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Discendo Vox posted:

If mjolnir is sentient and went to a bar, who would be able to pick it up there

Depends, how late is it? Mjolnir won't have much luck if everyone's already hammered! :dadjoke:

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I'm Quizboy's albino pal from Venture Bros

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site posted:

somebody needs to teach wolverine how to pay child support

Bub, I'm the best at what I do and what I do ain't very nice




Specifically, what I do is dodge baby mommas who can't afford food for my brats

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Mulva posted:

You are thinking logically about a social situation that, the majority of the time, ends in getting stabbed by your lover's adamantium claws.

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TwoPair posted:

Wow what a hot original take :rolleyes:

Barely a 32% on the Woman of Kleenex scale when it comes to jaded essays about Superman

Also agree about Samaritan specifically and Busiek generally

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El Gallinero Gros posted:

It definitely didn't help, but Busiek has a lot of quality work in a lot of different contexts, and if guys like Frank Miller (who hasn't done anything decent in years) can coast on rep, so should Busiek be able to

In my mind, Busiek is one of the GOATs because of the way Batman gets clowned in JLA/Avengers twice!!! Not by Bats admitting to Cap that Cap might be able to beat him, but it would take longer than they have to fight. Instead, it's indirect both times, strongly implying Batman is only good for beating up street thugs, themed villains, and overconfident world-conquerors, not real, "grounded" threats. Near the end when everyone's fighting through everyone's villains, first Cap is confronted by Prometheus, Batman's Taskmaster-themed villain who almost defeated the whole JLA by himself. Cap lays him out because, and I practically quote directly, "punching out Nazis reaches a man how to ignore cheap gimmicks during combat". Then, when Batman has a clear run up to Krona's control room or whatever, a mysterious figure steps out to block him, who we then see revealed and introducing himself in half a vertical page as "Batroc...Zee Leapair!" Busiek gives us the treat of taking Batman off the board for the rest of the fight IIRC, implying that a master criminal whose superpower is...*checks notes* skilled at French kickboxing... is enough to stalemate "the single most dangerous man in the Justice League".

Also, not a spoiler because it's on the cover, Superman fights through part of the last battle wielding both Mjolnir and Cap's shield, which wasn't so common a thing for someone to do 20 years ago.

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ImpAtom posted:

I'd very much enjoy a story where someone has Batman at their mercy, a fiendishly devilish plot, and they unleash their ultimate weapon. Holy water.

After which, of course, Batman punches them in the face.
See, this is what Batman loses out on from being such a tightassed stick-in- the-mud. They do that to, I don't know, Ragman maybe? (they're especially ill-informed, I guess), and the dude might stumble around shrieking and gasping before falling down still, giving the punks a moment of glory before rising up saying, "your baubles and trinkets are but a petty obstacle to one of my power. But they have done two things, that is for certain. They have made me angry...and thirsty."

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Kalli posted:

Sometimes he'd also lift his sunglasses and cheat at pool. Gotta love that early Claremont era where part of Cyclops' mutant power was being good at math. The least badass thing possible.



In all fairness, IIRC Cap also has some heightened intuitive understanding of physics/geometry/trig (shamefully I don't have a copy of OHOTMU to verify) that allows him to know exactly how to throw his shield to get the best ricochets and to have it return to where he will be. I don't remember if it was part of super soldier serum or he just practices so much he instinctually knows it (which is admittedly cooler than just having it as a power)

There's plenty of legit lame stuff we can pick on Cyclops about, but this power would be incredibly useful not only for trick shots with his mutation but also understanding the battlefield

Am I going to feel compelled to defend Gambit next? Better dial back my contrarinism.

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Cabbit posted:

"Actually, it's only called wine if it's from the Earth region of the Milky Way Galaxy.."

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Johnny Aztec posted:

I mean,theres alot of powers where if the person had even a cursory knowledge of physics/chemistry, they could do so much with it.


Like, It's Hal with a ring that can create whatever he imagines. So, he makes a giant fist to punch with.
And knowing Hal he's so dim he probably has to carry around an index card with pictures of a boxing glove, a shield, and a tennis racquet for when he's stuck and can't figure out what to make next.

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Request: in honor of Tim Sale's passing, could some fellow goon(s) post some badass panels of his? (Yes, I know 'expressive' is a better adjective than 'bad-rear end' for most of his work, at least that I've seen, but the man was quite talented.) I once owned the Long Halloween, but that was given away a couple of moves ago, else I'd do it myself.

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Fil5000 posted:

Raymond Chandler said even he doesn't know who killed the chauffer in The Big Sleep.. Dude used to write himself into a corner and then have two goons with guns come in to get the story moving again, a methodology that would be better than whatever Loeb was working with when he wrote Ultimates 3.

Doesn't Ultimates 3 open with Wasp condescendingly telling Cap he's getting cerebral vapor lock from thinking about Pietro and Wanda having sex and that it's not the 40s anymore, grandpa-who-I'm-banging, get with the program, incest is best?

And then later the Blob says of Wasp, "Tastes like chicken," and not in a sexual way?

And the artist apparently didn't get the note that Wasp was supposed to be an Asian-American woman and drew her differently from the first couple of series of the Ultimates?

Or was it another series where the whole experiment just went terribly wrong?


eta: why am I only remembering the terrible parts that are connected with the Wasp? I remember The Whole Thing was pretty bad but maybe she was just abused egregiously in the series?

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I don't know what you people are talking about. Eric Masterson is obviously Spider-man.

(I can't find the panel in question so if someone has it, please do the needful.)

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I never did like that Bats defeated Darkseid by shooting him with the Platonic form of a bullet. Smells like Morrison being too clever by half, and I say that as a Morrison stan.

He was much more creative during his run on JLA during Rock of Ages when, during an alternate future timeline where Darkseid has turned the Earth into an Anti-Life zombie factory, the remnants of the Justice League throw everything they can at him and nothing can penetrate his force field, Batman gets zapped by Omega Beams, but they finally beat him by Ray Palmer riding Speedy's arrow at Darkseid's face -- Ray, being a good physicist realizes that Darkseid can see through his force field, shrinks himself to the size of a photon, rides the stream through the optic nerve, muses, "Four lobes...which one first?" before fatally shrinking segments of Darkseid's brain. That's the cleverness I want from Morrison.

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Halloween Jack posted:

I thought Ray put a bomb in there.

Ray's fiddling with his belt (the source of his shrinking powers) and a beam comes out, hitting his brain. Then in the next couple of panels we see (hear?) Darkseid speaking in slurred, nonsensical words. Ray's giving him the mother of all strokes. At least that's as I remember it -- it's been years since I've last read it, so I could be wrong.

eta: when I got back into comics, Morrison's JLA was what I picked up in the comics store -- the two-parter with the Key taking over the JLA's HQ was the first -- and it blew my mind. Even Blue Superman wasn't a distraction. Needless to say, I was disappointed by most other titles I read in comparison.

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Air Skwirl posted:

I will not see The Black Racer disrespected like this. I wonder if Jack Kirby was trying to recapture the magic of his previous creation Silver Surfer?

"Sometimes even Homer nods."

Until refigured as a sinister character shrouded in darkness, all weird angles and jagged corners, the Black Racer looked goofy as hell, like some ski bum who got on the wrong connection at the airport on the way to Vail.

Even with the Howard Porter art, the Black Racer looks sufficiently weird in Rock of Ages, usually because we only see (e.g.) the front part of his skis poking into frame, his presence at a strange angle, etc. And of course Morrison's narration of the scenes, coming from BR themself, carries the character.

Morrison also made use of him in Final Crisis (he may have been lurking in some of the Darkseid/Batman panels, but his main appearance was the three Flashes trying to outrace him -- with a cool ending).

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Kurui Reiten posted:

Honestly I think when you feel the need to make Superman the absolute paragon in every single aspect and trait he has, you really weaken the character overall. It's easy to be the perfect moral example and righteous defender when you have effective omnipotence and no meaningful wants or needs. The more human you can make Superman, the better a character he tends to be. That includes having things he's simply not the best at, and challenges that can't be overcome by just tanking them until they stop being challenges.
Counterpoint: "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?", which I think might be the best single-floppy Superman story. He's absolutely human (has doubts, hesitations, fears), absolutely a moral paragon, has extremely meaningful moral wants, has enemies who are more powerful than him, and he can't just punch his way out (before the climax, maybe he couldn't, maybe he could, but then he'd be breaking his moral code).

Perhaps strangely to the claim I've just made, except in rare cases, the consequences of Superman's failure don't happen to him; they happen to his reputation, or to the cat stuck in the tree, or to the 264 people trapped on the sinking Metropolis-Gotham Clipper -- and Superman considers these worse than a severe beating because he's failed to keep others safe. (Even with damage to his reputation: fewer people will trust him and seek him out when they need help, will hesitate when he shows up to help, or -- and only in his quietest times with Lois does he admit this -- his self-doubt means he might make a mistake. But she reassures him that he never will if he's just true to himself.)

Making villains more powerful than Superman leads to (at its worst) the creation of Doomsday and the two of them punching each other over and over, shockwaves breaking windows for miles around (but somehow Lois is 15 feet away and unaffected), a mindless slugfest that's entertaining to no one. How many splash pages of Superman fighting an Imperiex probe or Mongul can you take?

One last bit to my rant, off of another post. Even if he flies through the Sun or whatever, I have a hard time thinking Supes should ever (e.g.) be faster than the Flash, even if there's a cost to it. Flash's whole deal is he's the fastest person alive, not the fastest person alive except when Superman decides to go Super Saiyan. Let the jacks of all trades have their places and the specialists have theirs.

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When your outfit has as much drip as Dr. Fate, you can do whatever the gently caress you like and to hell with everyone else.

Well, maybe not when your costume's rendered on grade Z newsprint with 1940s ink technology and has little "future fins" on the shoulders. But it got a lot better.

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