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IntelliJ IDEA just owns so hard. squee. For just banging out code its the fastest, and the autocomplete is tits. The code styling customization was easy to figure out. Also, if you don't want to stare at big white screen all day the Darcula theme is a lot better (my opinion) than what Netbeans has to offer.
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Marshall Louis posted:IntelliJ IDEA just owns so hard. squee. I'm a total JetBrains fanboi now. AppCode for Objective-C, IntelliJ for Java, Ruby Mine for Ruby/Coffeescript. Just having a best of breed IDE with a consistent interface makes it all worthwhile. I can't imagine life without the built in refactor tool now.
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Marshall Louis posted:IntelliJ IDEA just owns so hard. squee. Do you happen to use Maven for your build-system?
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Hughlander posted:I'm a total JetBrains fanboi now. AppCode for Objective-C, IntelliJ for Java, Ruby Mine for Ruby/Coffeescript. Just having a best of breed IDE with a consistent interface makes it all worthwhile. I can't imagine life without the built in refactor tool now. Learning algorithms now using Java. I plan to move on to learning python and c/c++ later. I already have PyCharm installed for working on python. So I guess I have to claim JetBrains fanboi status as well. Woodsy Owl posted:Do you happen to use Maven for your build-system? Sorry for such a late reply. I am too much of a newbie to have good infos on using Maven.
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Since we're talking about JetBrains, I'm curious: does Intellij have plugins for pretty much every other language they offer an IDE for? I have PyCharm and Webstorm, but I'm brushing up on my Ruby/Rails and don't feel like buying a third IDE(or more). From what I gather, IntelliJ is "the only IDE you need" but I don't want to find it can't handle Obj-C or something like that.
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xpander posted:Since we're talking about JetBrains, I'm curious: does Intellij have plugins for pretty much every other language they offer an IDE for? I have PyCharm and Webstorm, but I'm brushing up on my Ruby/Rails and don't feel like buying a third IDE(or more). From what I gather, IntelliJ is "the only IDE you need" but I don't want to find it can't handle Obj-C or something like that. From what I can tell, IntelliJ offers plugins for all languages supported by their IDEs except the core language(s) supported by AppCode. There doesn't appear to be any Objective-C language support plugins in the plugin repository so... IntelliJ may not be the only IDE you need, unfortunately.
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App code and resharper are the two that are not IntelliJ plugins. I believe everything else is.
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Is SublimeText an IDE or just an E? Because I want to profess my love for multiple cursor selection and I don't know if this is the thread to do it in.
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Thanks for the responses. It's still going to be cheaper than paying for the upkeep on 3 products, so I think it's time to bite the bullet.
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Signal boosting the Jetbrains love, everything they release is gold (Resharper, IntelliJ, PyCharm, RubyMine, TeamCity all great - not tried AppCode but it's probably good too).
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Butterflies : http://xkcd.com/378/ edit: And oh, IntelliJ is garbage. They actually ask money for the thing. Unbelievable.
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rhag posted:Butterflies : http://xkcd.com/378/ Care to enlighten the rest of us on how IntelliJ is terrible? I haven't done a ton of java, but it certainly seemed to be light years ahead of eclipse when I did.
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rhag posted:Butterflies : http://xkcd.com/378/ Counterpoint: IntelliJ is really, really good. Also, if you are just doing plain Java then the community edition is free (for commercial purposes as well I believe).
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WHERE MY HAT IS AT posted:Care to enlighten the rest of us on how IntelliJ is terrible? I haven't done a ton of java, but it certainly seemed to be light years ahead of eclipse when I did. You now want me to describe all its flaws even though I haven't used it in 6 months or so and you've made up your mind and you want to have its babies. Fine, I asked for it, so here it is a post I've made half a year ago on some other forum: quote:
With this being said, if you can get along with it, more power to you. Have fun. I am giving it a try (the free version) every now and then (major versions released). So far, it was only a disappointment. When I did use it (before I made the above post), I used it for about 2 months almost every night for few hours. I tried, really tried, we cannot get along. On the other hand, eclipse is not perfect either. Far from it. Most of its flaws though, come from badly implemented plugins (everything is a plugin). You usually can avoid the bad ones. Sometimes you can't and then can complain to the developers. As for memory consumption ... it all depends on how many plugins you have installed. At home, with 32GB of RAM, I install everything and the kitchen sink and it's more than fine. At work, I have different installations for various tasks (c++, java or some other language/framework development). Netbeans is usually fine, but it does have its flaws too. I do not see it much better than eclipse though, so after some time I usually just go back to eclipse. Angstrom posted:Counterpoint: IntelliJ is really, really good. Also, if you are just doing plain Java then the community edition is free (for commercial purposes as well I believe). Counterpoint: Nobody does plain Java development anymore (outside maybe students for simple projects). There's a reason why JetBrains offers that version for free, they're not stupid. For anything remotely serious, one needs framework support. After all, that's the entire reason to use an IDE, otherwise we could just develop in ed (or vi for some special snowflakes). Volguus fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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bitreaper posted:For a team there are great benefits to standardizing on an editor, and the ramp-up for emacs is way longer and very likely not worth it. What great benefits are these?
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rhag posted:You now want me to describe all its flaws even though I haven't used it in 6 months or so and you've made up your mind and you want to have its babies. Fine, I asked for it, so here it is a post I've made half a year ago on some other forum: Understandable, maybe IntelliJ just isn't for you. I don't think every software has to necessarily appeal to everyone. My company pays for the licenses for it and personally I find myself fighting a lot less with IntelliJ compared to when I used Eclipse (as do the 2 other dudes near me). Eclipse and Netbeans are not bad either. I just use whatever tools work best for me regardless of cost, since $600 or whatever is pretty inexpensive in the long run compared to our salaries.
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rhag posted:You now want me to describe all its flaws even though I haven't used it in 6 months or so and you've made up your mind and you want to have its babies. Fine, I asked for it, so here it is a post I've made half a year ago on some other forum: I seriously just wondered what your gripe was, jesus. It seemed fine when I briefly used it to do some coursework so I was curious and goolging intellij is crap or whatever doesn't turn up many results. Those are legitimate complaints though and I'm sure some of them would bug me if I used it for any extended period of time.
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quote:autocomplete: case sensitive by default (there is an option to make it insensitive, but really...?). when is insensitive provides bullshit, i have to type most of the class name anyway. quote:git support: it actually requires the native git to be installed. really? wtf? the version control ui is unintuitive and a complete mess. i always had to use the command line since i couldnt get along with the ui. quote:when i hover over a method doesn't show the javadoc. read about it as being a requested feature some time ago, apparently they've implemented it, never worked for me (used only the linux version). quote:cannot apparently format the current file according to the set code style. Eclipse is just different in some other aspects, can't really do a huge comparison since it's been years since I used it. pigdog fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Going to agree with the above, most of those complaints seem pretty trivial and more of a lack of knowledge than anything. If you were using the free version maybe that's part of the problem (haven't used it in forever but I remember it feeling kind of restrictive), Eclipse is probably better if we're comparing free vs. free but I would say IntelliJ is leagues better than anything else if you shell out the money for it (it's like $100? Not bad). True, the git support is not fantastic (I haven't seen a git UI that was, in fairness, I think SourceTree is the closest?), but it's good in the general case. I will say if there's one complaint probably everyone can agree with about IntelliJ, it's just complicated as gently caress and has a pretty steep learning curve. It's very powerful and has a million options, to it's detriment. Once you start getting familiar with it though it's pretty fantastic I feel.
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pigdog posted:Arrow keys work in that menu though. pigdog posted:You can only search for the capital letters in CamelCase notation, too. If you have a class called DickButtFaggortryFactoryManager, you can start typing DBFFM and it finds it for you. With some intelligence, in that if you had worked with a DickButtFaggortryFactoryManager before, it's probably the first choice. pigdog posted:Setting up git is a bit of a pain in the rear end, but the diffs and merging in general are VERY nice. pigdog posted:ctrl-q? pigdog posted:ctrl-shift-L? pigdog posted:Eclipse is just different in some other aspects, can't really do a huge comparison since it's been years since I used it. It is different. And when you compare free vs free, what Eclipse has to offer is light years ahead of IntelliJ, even if I would take the hit of having patience with it and giving it one more chance. From what I can see, it's really not worth the money.
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Deus Rex posted:
I'm curious as well. I'd like my projects to be as platform and editor agnostic as possible. Let the developers use whatever they prefer. I can imagine for certain projects to default on an IDE / environment. A small games studio using Unity for example, but otherwise there's distinct advantages to making it IDE agnostic: the project will be much more maintainable, you're not tied to a specific environment / vendor / maybe not even an OS, etc. etc.
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I've been using Code::Blocks, mostly because I know that I can run it both at home and the computers at school. I'm open to try something else. I just want to be able to experiment with as many languages as possible without paying a ton of money or having to learn a whole new environment every time.
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IMHO the main point of git support in an ide is so it handles file creation / movement / deletion properly. Do your commits and poo poo from the full-boned client of your choice. Visual Studio is becoming an interesting option here even beyond .NET -- microsoft seems committed to making it more generic, it's web/js editing is really, really badassed out of the box and they give away some skus for free. Worth checking out if you are running on windows.
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Sublime Text can go gently caress itself. I was learning to use karma/angular last night and I wasted 4 loving hours trying to figure out why karma wasn't picking up changes in my code. Apparently Sublime does some wierd "delete/replace" instead of updating the original file.
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bpower posted:Apparently Sublime does some wierd "delete/replace" instead of updating the original file. I don't know what sublime does specifically, but all (good) editors do something like this. The point is to write the file contents to disk, flush, and then move the new file over the old one. That way, you're never (or suppose to be never) in the situation where a power failure or crash is going to cause your entire file to just disappear.
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crazypenguin posted:I don't know what sublime does specifically, but all (good) editors do something like this. So I probably have some set up issue?
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crazypenguin posted:The point is to write the file contents to disk, flush, and then move the new file over the old one. That way, you're never (or suppose to be never) in the situation where a power failure or crash is going to cause your entire file to just disappear. I managed to Ctrl-S in visual studio just as a power cut happened and ended up with a zero length file. Luckily visual assist keeps regular backups as you work or I would have lost half a days work. How a paid for product manages this is beyond me.
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bpower posted:Sublime Text can go gently caress itself. I was learning to use karma/angular last night and I wasted 4 loving hours trying to figure out why karma wasn't picking up changes in my code. Apparently Sublime does some wierd "delete/replace" instead of updating the original file. I use karma to run jasmine and it definitely detects when I save with Sublime Text.
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ani47 posted:I managed to Ctrl-S in visual studio just as a power cut happened and ended up with a zero length file. Luckily visual assist keeps regular backups as you work or I would have lost half a days work. How a paid for product manages this is beyond me. Half a day's work and no commits into version control!??! (Even if what you're working on isn't complete you can still commit into say a dev branch and then squash it when done to not have tons of extra unncessary commits).
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Just another vote for JetBrains IDEs. ReSharper and WebStorm are essential. I'm sure I would use RubyMine, PyCharm, or IntelliJ if I used those languages. TeamCity is pretty sick too.
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I mostly use Sublime, especially since it seems to be the best supported with cool things like autocompletion for less widespread languages. (Nothing particularly obscure, Go and Rust) Though I don't use Sublime's build features, I mostly still switch to terminal for that. The only exception is for Python on Windows I generally use Spyder because it comes with Python(x,y).
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Jsor posted:I mostly use Sublime, especially since it seems to be the best supported with cool things like autocompletion for less widespread languages. (Nothing particularly obscure, Go and Rust) How's sublime on scala? I've been using Intellij's plugin and it's pretty good. Volguus posted:Butterflies : http://xkcd.com/378/ Real programmers debug by reading core dumps in a hex editor, or something...
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Visual Studio is mother, Visual Studio is father.
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Visual Studio is the best IDE, but almost all of the JetBrains IDEs are a close second. Sublime text is cool and I paid for it and used it for years but I think I just don't like it anymore. I just use Atom as my text editor now. I still have a license for TextMate and Coda as well, two more editors I no longer use. I totally wasted lots of money on work tools I no longer use. Edit: To be clear, I bought Coda 1 and didn't bother upgrading to 2. I still use and love Transmit though.
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I'm used to VS for c# and c++ development. After using it since 1998 or so I recently had to switch to IntelliJ after I changed jobs. I have to say, I don't think I miss any features and it's being holding up really well!
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Sagacity posted:I'm used to VS for c# and c++ development. After using it since 1998 or so I recently had to switch to IntelliJ after I changed jobs. I have to say, I don't think I miss any features and it's being holding up really well! My only annoyance with IntelliJ and their various derivatives is that the suggestions are too aggressive. I don't really need a notification telling me I have a typo. Also, their PEP8 style checks are really over the top for me.
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Has anyone tried Zed? I like it, probably even more than Sublime. The problem is it's Chromium-based, which means it's bound by Javascript and browser sandboxing laws, so it's pretty much impossible to configure it to, say, run a build tool for a compiled language from it. My only other complaint is that it's project based and it's a bit more difficult than it should be to open a new folder as a project. (To be fair, there's a standalone version that theoretically could run these things, but AFAICT, there's no real way to do an operation on some variable like $PROJECT_ROOT, nor does printing to console via Javascript do anything, so you don't get any feedback on command completion, and you can't execute a command anywhere in the command line). KernelSlanders posted:How's sublime on scala? I've been using Intellij's plugin and it's pretty good. No idea, I don't use Scala. Linear Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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