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irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Lurdiak posted:

If I recall, when Daniel Way had a nuke land on him, he wasn't souped up in any way. He just survived a nuke by regenerating from a skeleton.
Yeah but Daniel Way

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irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Avengers totally owns but if you're not feeling it by #18 I don't think what comes later will change your mind. Maybe stick with it through Infinity and see how you feel then. The problem is that it becomes heavily intertwined with New Avengers later - you can't really read one without the other.

irlZaphod fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Oct 31, 2014

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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I wish I still had my issues of the UK Sonic The Comic. :(

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Floors and floors of D.O.O.M.H.E.R.B.I.Es

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Waterhaul posted:

I think it was Brevoort that made it a few times a year event but they were happening pre-Quesada at least. I know the likes of Peter David has discussed going to Marvel retreats to "sort things out" around the Heroes Reborn era.
They were happening well before that, at least the X-Office were doing them. That's where Fatal Attractions came from - and, eventually, Onslaught too.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Yeah I'm reading Multiversity, Batgirl and Gotham Academy, and I picked up the first issue of Gotham By Midnight (haven't read it yet though).

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Waterhaul posted:

Simple answer was money. Shipping 18 books a year makes more money than 12. Marvel are still doing it with the likes of Avengers now, the only issue is they don't have more Bagley's with such a low fi style who can just constantly churn out books.
I'm not sure if it's still the case, but a few years ago I remember reading that Marvel operated a policy on a lot of books whereby they could either put out 16-18 issues a year (which means double-shipping every few months), or else do 12 issues a year plus an Annual. You only have to look at Spurrier's X-Men: Legacy, it put out 24 issues between November 2012 and February 2014 (plus the #300 issue the following month).

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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muscles like this? posted:

While not bad art I did drop that new Bucky series after the first issue because the art was so incomprehensible.

Gaz-L posted:

I've been too lazy to click the cancel subscription button in Comixology, but... yeah, I'd possibly like the book a LOT more if I could tell what was going on (though the whole 'Winter Soldier IN SPACE' thing isn't really my bag anyway. ). I'm fairly sure the letterer can't even tell. At one point in the first issue, there's a conversation between Bucky and Daisy, and I'm pretty sure the speech bubbles are assigned randomly.

I added the series to my pull when it was announced because I like Bucky a lot, but then about a week before #1 came out I heard it was a "Bucky in Space" series, and was pretty disappointed. I had similar feelings about the first issue as yourselves, but I actually kinda liked the 2nd issue a lot.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Moonstar's powers changed a bunch, she went from being able to show people their greatest fears, to being able to see an image of Death over people who were going to die, to just being able to create illusions based on a person's desires or fears. Then she lost her powers, obviously.

Psylocke's powers kinda changed too, when she originally appeared in Marvel UK comics, she was more of a Clairvoyant than a telekinetic. She's obviously changed a bunch further over the years then.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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I just caught up on the last few pages of this thread, and now one thing makes more sense to me, while about 5 things make less sense.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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The Gillen/McKelvie/Norton/Wilson et al Young Avengers was great. They did 15 issues and wrapped up what they wanted to say with it. It was a really nice self-contained series.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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I know the Clone Saga was long, but I didn't think it was 12 tpbs long. I guess 4 books a month for several years all ads up.

Also I love how everyone forgets the single most stupid thing about the whole story. Norman Osborn kidnapped Aunt May and hired an actress to pretend to be her for an unspecified length of time. The actress was so into her role that even when she was on her loving deathbed she didn't break character. Osborn had literally no reason to do this considering he kept Aunt May alive the entire time.

irlZaphod fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jul 19, 2015

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Travis343 posted:

I thought they took the baby and told MJ and Peter that it had died.
No, the baby died, but they made it look like she had just been kidnapped by Osborn.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Define "disaster"? As I understand, it sold really well (at the beginning, at least), and I think it was popular at first also. The problem was when they started drawing it out for longer and longer, and kept changing their minds about how it was going to end.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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ecavalli posted:

Okay then.

Getting back on topic: Do the Nextwave heroes appear anywhere outside of Warren Ellis' miniseries in their Nextwave incarnations? I know Captain Marvel and a few of the others were relatively minor characters prior to Warren Ellis making them interesting, but do they remain interesting elsewhere?
They haven't retained any of Ellis' changes in subsequent appearances. The only character he really changed was Machine Man anyway. Also while they weren't really A-list characters, Monica Rambeau led the Avengers for a while, Tabitha was in New Mutants/X-Force for a long time, and Machine Man had several solo series before Nextwave. And it's not like they've exploded in popularity thanks to Nextwave, a series which did not sell very well, and which most people have forgotten about.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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quote:

Avenger’s Annual 10. Rogues first appearance. This is a must-read. You will never understand Rogue if you don’t read this. Seriously.
lol calm down with the hyperbole, X-Men Reading List. I don't think Rogue even speaks in Avengers Annual 10.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Don't read a stupid tumblr, the actual issues are great if you can get past the often stilted dialogue.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Gaz-L posted:

Bozhe moi!
Unglaublich!

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Opopanax posted:

Yeah see, exactly, Grant's Scottish
Scottish people are British.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Skwirl posted:

What are some of the longest delays in comics. Like, off the top of my head Planetary took forever to finish, Neil Gaiman's run on Miracleman still hasn't technically finished, that dude from Carnivale (or Lost, cn't remembr which over rated show he wrote for) wrote a five part Ultimate Hulk vs Wolverine series, but their was a multi-year gap between issue 2 and 3. Kevin Smith took about a year to finish his Spider-Man thing and I know their was some delay for Bendis' version of Secret War. I'm basically asking if I've forgotten one.

Fake Edit, Issue 22 of Hawkeye.
Smith's Spider-Man/Black Cat was delayed much longer than a year. More like 3.

The Bendis Secret War had some delays but I don't remember them being too serious - months, rather than years.

Astonishing X-Men was plagued with delays, even though they took a scheduled break after the first "season" to let Cassaday get ahead.

My favourite is Daredevil: End of Days. I'm pretty sure I quit comics and picked them back up again at least two separate occasions between that getting "announced" (to be fair, it was never actually solicited at the time) and it actually getting published. It's a different situation because it was actually published regularly once it came out (I'm fairly sure it was all done before they solicited it, though), I was just struck by just how long it took to come out.

irlZaphod fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Aug 27, 2015

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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There's always Battle Chasers ha ha ha

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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OldTennisCourt posted:

I understand the point, I guess it just feels like there are tons of other heroes too and you'd think they'd get lumped in to with the whole 'incredibly powerful heroes who could basically take over if they wanted' thing. I understand mutants have that fear of evolving and replacing humans in that respect, but I can only recall Civil War where the general Marvel heroes as a whole got the same treatment on some level.

It just kinda feels like if you're pissed at one you should be pissed at the other on some level.
It's an allegory for people who hate certain groups of people for no rational reason.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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I think he was in Slott's She-Hulk too.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Secret Wars is doing the same, switching from 8 to 9 issues.

To answer the OPs question, you're not going to know without checking really. Some series are launched as ongoing, but because of sales effectively turn into mini-series. Other ongoing series (particularly Image books) will be ongoing but with a defined end point. Others will just be launched as mini-series. The best thing to do is check the cover, check solicitations, or if you're still not sure just ask in the store (or Google if you're not buying digitally).

Marvel are usually quite good at labeling their series as mini-series if they are launched as such.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Aphrodite posted:

If Rogue touches Nightcrawler, does she turn blue and demon-ey?
Yes

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irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Ultragonk posted:

Also read Ultimate Fantastic Four Annual #1 and wasn't that fussed on it, seemed like someone remembered the Inhumans and decided they should stick them in the ultimate universe somehow.
Boy, wait till you catch up on the Marvel Universe.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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The Spider-Totem stuff I enjoyed. Even if you don't like it as a story, it's not even in the same league as stuff like Chapter One or Sins Past. Having said that, it was kind of messed up by The Other, which was just bad. I don't know if it would have been ok had it not been turned into a crossover, but who knows. The original story from ASM v2 #30-35 was pretty great.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Wheat Loaf posted:

It's kind of weird that, in Claremont's second or third issue on X-Men, he'd already decided to kill off one member of the new team, and it came down to a choice between Wolverine and Thunderhawk. Imagine how different things may have turned out if it had gone the other way. I reckon he would've been back before too long.
Thunderbird :eng101:

Also I believe the story goes that Claremont didn't really like Wolverine at all, and Byrne convinced him to keep him on the team later when they were working together. I think once they started developing his character more, Claremont became more attached to him. I do like the subsequent story that Claremont basically convinced Miller to collaborate with him on the Wolverine limited series while they drove to SDCC.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Cap's costume looks kind of dumb in that image. I'm not sure if it's the art but the mask just looks wrong.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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prefect posted:

It's weird, because Nazis are famous for having stylishly-designed uniforms.
It's not like Hydra are dressing him!

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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SonicRulez posted:

Who are the successful and/or good characters created in the 2000's?
Modern Batwoman

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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I haven't read Children's Crusade but Avengers Disassembled is a bad comic

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Wheat Loaf posted:

He wrote X-Men on a bi-monthly basis for most of the late 1970s; I think he had his run on Iron Fist around the time he started and then wrote some of Team-Up while X-Men was still coming out six times a year. He didn't write Avengers regularly - he only wrote Annual #10 off the top of my head. He would have written some Captain Britain around this time as well, although I believe those tended to be shorter stories for reprint in British anthology titles.

I think he only ever wrote two ongoings at once in the 1980s (Uncanny and New Mutants until about 1987, then Uncanny and Excalibur from 1988 or so through to when he left Marvel) but he wrote a number of miniseries and one-offs at the same time (Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Wolverine/Shadowcat, God Loves, Man Kills, X-Men vs FF etc.). He might have done the first five or six issues of the Wolverine ongoing in the late 1980s but I'm not sure.

I don't think he was ever the regular writer on X-Factor, interestingly enough.
X-Men shipped twice a month during some Summers in the 80s. I think he left Excalibur (or needed some fill-ins) when he launched the Wolverine ongoing series in 1988. He did return to Excalibur to wrap up some plot threads. I think it was shortly after that when he quite X-Men/Marvel.

He wrote a couple of X-Factor stories (including the one where Apocalypse infects Baby Nate with the T-O virus) right before the early 90's X-title reshuffle. I think they were co-written with Jim Lee though. But yeah, he was never the regular writer on it. I mean, he was pretty sore when the book was launched in the first place, and then Simonson took over and wrote it for a lot of its early run.

I think his biggest output would have been when he was working on both Uncanny and New Mutants (he wrote up to #54 or so of it) plus whatever else he was working on at the time (usually some other X-Men minis).

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Millar is a very nice person but I generally do not enjoying reading his books.

People who are saying that they don't like his work aren't saying he's an arsehole or anything. Just that his humour and I guess to an extent his personality seeps into his work a lot.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Yeah but I think they fell out over "creative differences" or whatever.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Rhyno posted:

Was he even in control anymore when Disney bought Marvel?
It's not like EiC would have any say in the matter.

I very much doubt that the comic publishing part of Marvel is what Disney was interested in, anyway. I would say the sale has more to do with what Kevin Feige or whoever was behind all the Marvel Studios related decisions is what attracted Disney.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Sinners Sandwich posted:

Why did Marvel comics forget about X-men supporting character Stevie Hunter? She was a dance instructer for Kitty and a friend of Storm's. Eventually she grew close enough house sit, mentor The New Mutants, run the Danger Room and even was trusted enough that Jessica Drew and Dazzler were perfectaly okay hanging in and out of costume with her.

I'm still reading Claremonts run so I don't know of he was the one to drift away from her first. She was just a cool character and I was suprised to see she made no future apperences after the 80s. Would even think she would be in that newer Storm solo a year back because pretty sure she had a supporting New yorkian cast in that.

Any other supporting characters in the two big universes just vanish on you?
Stevie kind of just stopped appearing as the book's direction changed. Once Professor X goes into space and the team becomes "outlaws", there's less and less supporting cast as they're not in the mansion often (and then it gets destroyed during Inferno anyway) or spending much time socialising. As happens with comics, new creative teams decide to introduce their own supporting cast and drop old ones.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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bessantj posted:

Who has been served worst by retconning? Has someone started out with a conventional origin story but suddenly had it retconned to where their mother is Bilbo Baggins and their father a cloned of Galactus where they used skin from his balls to clone him?
Magma from the New Mutants. Originally she was from a hidden group of Romans who were in the Amazon. Then there was a retcon which said that all the people there had been kidnapped and brainwashed (or something). Then there was a further retcon reversing that. She kinda hasn't shown up too much since the 90s though.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Daredevil/Bullseye: The Target got cancelled after 1 issue.

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irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

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Sinners Sandwich posted:

I've been reading the X-men through Marvel Unlimited and now entering the post Muir Island era. Things seem to be getting complicated with a lot of backstage stuff like the Image Exodus. Could someone give me a little primer on what things are going to be like both in story and outside stuff like Claremont/Lee creative differences and Talent stuff?
Well, as I understand it, Lee wanted to Make Magneto Great a Villain Again, but Claremont wasn't interested as he felt he'd done all he wanted with Magneto really (and had basically reformed him throughout his run). Bob Harras, the editor of he X-line at the time, sided with Lee, since he was an up-and-coming superstar artist. So Claremont plotted the first 3 issues of the new adjectiveless X-Men title, and quit. Of course, not long afterwards, the Image Exodus happened, so Lee, Williams, Portacio and that (who were working on the 2 main X-books at the time) left Marvel.

I haven't read much of that era, but basically you're heading into a lot of crossovers (X-cutioner's Song, Phalanx Covenant, AoA, Onslaught etc up as far as 1996 anyway).

I think the above-mentioned book plus another one, Comic Creators on X-Men, would clue you in more to the behind-the-scenes stuff, since it's all straight from the horses mouths. I haven't read Marvel Comics: The Untold Story but the other book has some really insightful interviews between the individual creators and Tom DeFalco, all the way up to the likes of Morrison and Millar in the early 2000s.

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