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Waiting for the flight simulator spreglords to try and figure this out.
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Three Olives posted:Beijing passport control is extremely strict, it would be incredibly dumb to fly into Beijing on a stolen passport with any intention of getting in, This is not even close to accurate. First you apply for an entry visa in the country you're coming from at the Chinese embassy. Then your visa is checked by the airline before you board the plane. If you make it into the plane with a valid visa there's no chance you will be rejected in Beijing, unless you're like not the same race as the person whose passport you stole. Unless they are just using Beijing as a transit stop but then there should be some more proof of onward travel from these fake passport holders sorry for the serious post Arakan fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Mar 9, 2014 |
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Mar 9, 2014 05:46
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Arakan posted:This is not even close to accurate. First you apply for an entry visa in the country you're coming from at the Chinese embassy. Then your visa is checked by the airline before you board the plane. If you make it into the plane with a valid visa there's no chance you will be rejected in Beijing, unless you're like not the same race as the person whose visa you stole. I've been to Beijing, save for say Cairo and places like Zimbabwe which basically required a bribe in US dollars it was the biggest pain in the rear end places that I have ever traveled.
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Mar 9, 2014 05:53
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Arakan posted:This is not even close to accurate. First you apply for an entry visa in the country you're coming from at the Chinese embassy. Then your visa is checked by the airline before you board the plane. If you make it into the plane with a valid visa there's no chance you will be rejected in Beijing, unless you're like not the same race as the person whose visa you stole. On Airliners, someone posted that Beijing has a 72-hour visa free policy. They said that it's possible to forge a return ticket leaving within those 72 hours and there would be no need for a visa: "airlines don't usually verify if the onward ticket is genuine or not. A fake print out of the onward ticket will do the job."
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Mar 9, 2014 05:57
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Shithouse Dave posted:Malaysia air had a pretty good safety record didn't it? It's not super third world. Yeah. MAS has one of the best safety records in Asia. Prior to this incident, there were two other incidents that involved fatalities. One in the 70s which was a hijacking resulting in a crash and the other was a crash in 1995 in a Fokker 50 which is a totally different class of aircraft.
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Mar 9, 2014 05:58
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I flew MAS about 4 years ago and was mildly worried about being on an A330 (an old one that had some engine problems at that), which at the time was the same kind of plane that had recently been involved in a major disaster with Air France, and wished I could have been on a 777 instead with its impeccable safety record. No doubt at least some people on this flight took comfort about the plane they were on along the same line of thought.  On another note: Kuala Lumpur is the worst airport I've ever been to. It has a spectacularly bad layout.
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Mar 9, 2014 06:15
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samizdat posted:someone posted that Beijing has a 72-hour visa free policy Yes, that's what I found last time I was there.
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Mar 9, 2014 06:20
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Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the radio systems have their own power in case of an emergency?
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Mar 9, 2014 06:38
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usb teledildonics posted:I can't read OP because he's blocked 8D same
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Mar 9, 2014 06:49
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rocket_man38 posted:Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the radio systems have their own power in case of an emergency? There are redundancies in virtually every avionic, hydraulic, and electromechanical system on a modern airliner. In event of main generator loss, large aircraft such as these are typically equipped with ram-air turbines which can be extended into the airstream and provide juice for the critical systems. However, auxiliary power won't matter if your aircraft has the tail fall off, or a primary fuel tank explode. Catastrophic failure of the severity we are likely seeing here leave no time for the crew to attempt to save the aircraft.
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Mar 9, 2014 07:18
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I'm suddenly reminded of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSXTdzM1WLA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=275ufGZweZc Sadly I couldnt find any of the clips talking about the crash.
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Mar 9, 2014 07:33
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The Casualty posted:There are redundancies in virtually every avionic, hydraulic, and electromechanical system on a modern airliner. In event of main generator loss, large aircraft such as these are typically equipped with ram-air turbines which can be extended into the airstream and provide juice for the critical systems. However, auxiliary power won't matter if your aircraft has the tail fall off, or a primary fuel tank explode. Catastrophic failure of the severity we are likely seeing here leave no time for the crew to attempt to save the aircraft. Stupid question, but how do you deploy the turbines if the power fails? Do they have a hand crank or something?
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Mar 9, 2014 08:54
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Well new CNN update says radar showed that plane actually turned to head back before the crash. If true that adds even more to the mystery. If you're in a catastrophic failure and in a free-fall you wouldn't be able to turn the plane to head back. I still can't believe they can have an always on WiFi on these planes but no direct stream back to the airline of the cockpit video/voice just in case.
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Mar 9, 2014 09:08
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Still relevant as ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17GbGmDORwk also gently caress you three olives you poo poo shoveler stop bringing news from this gay earth into the gibbis
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Mar 9, 2014 09:12
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my heart goes out to the families of those lost in this horrific, fiery crash
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Mar 9, 2014 09:13
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Rad Russian posted:Well new CNN update says radar showed that plane actually turned to head back before the crash. If true that adds even more to the mystery. If you're in a catastrophic failure and in a free-fall you wouldn't be able to turn the plane to head back. Too bad they make you turn off your phone. It is likely that several people had phones with GPS tracking that could have told them exactly where the phone was when it stopped working.
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Mar 9, 2014 09:14
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gay keurig condo
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Mar 9, 2014 09:14
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Rad Russian posted:Well new CNN update says radar showed that plane actually turned to head back before the crash. If true that adds even more to the mystery. If you're in a catastrophic failure and in a free-fall you wouldn't be able to turn the plane to head back. The truth is probably the simplest explanation. Some kind of problem with the plane caused them to turn around and then that problem turned catastrophic on the way back.
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Mar 9, 2014 09:18
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aren't you more likely to get hit by lightning or get rabies than die in a plane crash or something? Im sure this fuct that statistic up
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Mar 9, 2014 09:18
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Telesphorus posted:aren't you more likely to get hit by lightning or get rabies than die in a plane crash or something? Im sure this fuct that statistic up not if the pilots are Sum Ting Wong Ho Lee Fuk and Wi Tu Lo
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Mar 9, 2014 09:22
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Telesphorus posted:aren't you more likely to get hit by lightning or get rabies than die in a plane crash or something? Im sure this fuct that statistic up not really, there are like 7 billion people in the world, 230 aint gonna do poo poo to those statistics.
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Mar 9, 2014 09:22
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Telesphorus posted:aren't you more likely to get hit by lightning or get rabies than die in a plane crash or something? Im sure this fuct that statistic up Well yeah, unless its like, within the same news cycle of a major terrorist attack on the place you're flying to.
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Mar 9, 2014 09:24
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i do remmeber being outside during a lightning storm on 9/11 and yet here I am 
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Mar 9, 2014 09:30
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Wong Wei he was a passenger on the plane and also a foreign xchange student in my school. smelled like a yeast infection.
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Mar 9, 2014 09:30
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How can you board a plane with a stolen passport in 2014
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Mar 9, 2014 09:38
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myshl0ng posted:How can you board a plane with a stolen passport in 2014 Per news sources, Malaysian airlines did not check passports against the international blacklist database where both of these passports were flagged. Every other major airline does this. So yeah, incompetence that's how.
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Mar 9, 2014 09:43
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I think you mean that other airlines SAY they check passports with no exception.
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Mar 9, 2014 09:50
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Angela Christine posted:Too bad they make you turn off your phone. It is likely that several people had phones with GPS tracking that could have told them exactly where the phone was when it stopped working. I basically never turn off my phone in planes (or put it to "flight-safe mode", whatever that is) and I've done 100+ flights. No idea if the GPS tracking you mentioned works during a flight, though.
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Mar 9, 2014 10:27
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genesplicer posted:Stupid question, but how do you deploy the turbines if the power fails? Do they have a hand crank or something? Generally a lever that mechanically moves a restraint pin and allows the spring loaded turbine to deploy into the airstream
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Mar 9, 2014 10:50
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Terrorism is scarier than "3rd world country with 3rd world safety standards suffers its semi-annual airplane disaster" and so why wouldn't a 24 hour news cycle run on speculation lead with the most fear inducing headline? remember the time that a plane fell on queens, like, two weeks after september 11th, and everybody was dead sure it was a bomb it turns out the pilot was just a retard who jammed his rudder full-left and full-right repeatedly until his tail snapped off and then everyone died
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Mar 9, 2014 11:05
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Angela Christine posted:Too bad they make you turn off your phone. It is likely that several people had phones with GPS tracking that could have told them exactly where the phone was when it stopped working. But don't planes use GPS for navigation as well? Well on flight simulator they do 
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Mar 9, 2014 11:05
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Waiting for dumb American newsreaders to gently caress up the announcement a la:
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Mar 9, 2014 11:23
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Rad Russian posted:Per news sources, Malaysian airlines did not check passports against the international blacklist database where both of these passports were flagged. Every other major airline does this. So yeah, incompetence that's how. I remember boarding a small flight (1 hour flight, Paris to Pisa) in a small rear end airport and they didn't even check the passport. You just scan your ticket and there you go. China is kind of strict with passports though, obviously for Visa issues as they are extremely rigorous concerning immigration. I go there every year and you have to look straight at the stamping guy who takes a picture of you (not always), scan your passport with all your matching id numbers and whatnot, and then finally stamps your passport. So yeah, I guess they have to do a comparison with a blacklist and all the database. But then it's still weird, especially if the plane tried to head back.
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Mar 9, 2014 11:26
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Jitesh posted:But don't planes use GPS for navigation as well? How would they transmit the GPS information back to a source outside of the plane? I'm almost positive the GPS satellites themselves don't hold any location data and if the plane was out of radio contact (which apparently it was if nobody received a mayday) the only place that GPS data would have been stored is in the black box. The GPS on phones has the same issue: they almost certainly weren't connected to a network over the middle of the ocean and so that data is resting with them on the bottom of the ocean somewhere.
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Mar 9, 2014 11:26
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MrFrosty posted:I'm Malaysian but what the gently caress. How can you say that? That poo poo's delicious. Would eat it every meal every day if it weren't 1000+ calories a plate. Going from singapore to kuala lumpur was like falling off a cloud on a sunny day into a grave filled with decomposing relatives
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Mar 9, 2014 11:27
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Ilustforponydeath posted:Going from singapore to kuala lumpur was like falling off a cloud on a sunny day into a grave filled with decomposing relatives No disagreement here. For us going to Singapore is a special kind of experience. Kind of like "This is how things could have been like if we hadn't hosed it all up". But I was talking about food, which is something we do pretty well I think.
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Mar 9, 2014 11:43
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FullLeatherJacket posted:remember the time that a plane fell on queens, like, two weeks after september 11th, and everybody was dead sure it was a bomb iirc the pilot was flying into wake turbulence and the only simulator training he'd had from the airline on wake turbulence basically required you to wrench the plane around like a lunatic or it would pitch into the sea
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Mar 9, 2014 11:47
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Knight Corgi posted:I remember boarding a small flight (1 hour flight, Paris to Pisa) in a small rear end airport and they didn't even check the passport. You just scan your ticket and there you go. Travel within the Schengen area is different though. You don't need a passport per se between Chicago and NYC either.
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Mar 9, 2014 11:49
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Ilustforponydeath posted:Going from singapore to kuala lumpur was like falling off a cloud on a sunny day into a grave filled with decomposing relatives I prefer the food in Singapore as well, but the main thing I noticed going from Singapore to KL was the amount of extremely beautiful women multiplying by 10. Kind of like a moment of "I knew SOMETHING was wrong in Singapore but I couldn't quite grasp what it was".
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feedmegin posted:Travel within the Schengen area is different though. You don't need a passport per se between Chicago and NYC either. Oh okay I see. But that's still kind of unnerving. And I thought post-911 made everything more complicated!
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