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Boris Galerkin posted:Those people can. There's a Walmart in Hillsboro. Didn't voters in Oregon also defeat a measure to fluoridate their water? Just because a state is socially progressive doesn't mean that they aren't anti-science on some issues. I mean hell, look at the GMO measure that ran last year in Washington. The discussion from the anti-GMO side was batshit crazy.
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So what are folks using as good sources of local news? I wish I could find better coverage of stuff just slightly north of Seattle, but everything seems to end at Northgate or so. Also, any good sources for the nitty-gritty stuff that goes on in Olympia? I feel like everything I hear it's because there was one piece on KUOW or the Stranger had a silly rant about something.
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Mar 11, 2014 18:12
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Mojo Threepwood posted:My question is has Boeing always been like this, or was there a shift to more jackass management a few years ago? The running line is that things changed drastically after the Boeing/McDonald-Douglas merger.
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Get hosed, Jay Inslee.Everett Hearld posted:Gov. Jay Inslee’s 2014 aerospace progress report has a check mark next to “Secure Boeing 777X work for Washington.” Yes, it doesn't mention the fact that a whole bunch of people gave up their pensions for this plane. It takes a lot of guts to say this while having two pensions.
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Mar 14, 2014 19:02
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Irradiation posted:Hey there's the Eugene Weekly. Good for Dan Savage, crosswords, finding out what new thing the government is putting in our water to mind control us, what the new Eugene NIMBY topic is, and articles about this new eclectic bluegrass band which is totally different than the last 52 bluegrass bands we featured this year. Sounds just like the Stranger. Do you guys have someone who incessantly complains about the existence of cars as well?
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Mar 19, 2014 17:02
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Thanatosian posted:I know this is old, but it's worth mentioning that in Washington, there is no "tipped wage" exemption for the minimum wage. Servers get minimum wage plus tips. I have two concerns about the "small business" issue: 1. Why should we be treating small businesses that pay poo poo wages better than large ones that pay poo poo wages? You don't get a rent credit for working at a small business, after all. 2. How do you define a "small business" to begin with? A McDonalds franchise seems like it would fit most definitions, as would Ferrari of Seattle or Mercedes Benz of Bellevue.
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Apr 2, 2014 04:13
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Thanatosian posted:The definition will take some figuring, yeah. But it's mostly that Target can absorb the sudden increase in wages much more easily than Bob's Burgers can. In the end it's a minor point really, I just see the lionization of "small business" and think "most hedge funds are small businesses". That, and many folks who have worked for one have delightful stories about how lovely they are. I know I do.
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Apr 2, 2014 12:29
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Thanatosian posted:There are different "legal definitions" of small business depending upon what law you're talking about. For the purposes of the WA minimum wage phase-in, we can make it whatever we want. I'm guessing they're going to go with revenue, but it's hard to say at this point. Well regardless, I'll take that before I take a tip credit. I'm not too concerned about the people who handle my food and ensure I don't catch salmonella/listeria/e coli might "make too much money".
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Apr 2, 2014 18:40
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Gerund posted:The percentage of 2-bedroom apartments (aka 'family housing') that are being created is much smaller than the number of small families being created in the Seattle metro area; if you're willing to raise a kid in a single bedroom while sharing a kitchen with five strangers then more power to you, but the housing situation is not at all being 'fixed' by the developers. Yeah, this obsession with apodments and everyone essentially living in a dorm is simply a joke. Is the landlord going to play RA as well? I've also read that they're build to exploit loopholes in fire and building codes that would normally apply to apartments. Is this is the case, and if so how bad are we talking about?
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Tigntink posted:How many apodments do you really think are being built? There's only a few of those new buildings going up and most of them are being highly protested by the communities. I actually have no idea on the first part, the second part is pure NIMBY bullshit, which I think is fine to make fun of. I'm more concerned about skirting building and fire codes, because those are really important in a high density building. If that's actually the case, which I'm not 100% positive on. quote:The primary problem with the 15,000 new places opening up by 2015(rechecked numbers) is the vast majority will cost 40% more than average simply because they are new. However, if new tech workers who can afford these move in, that should open the older apartments and houses to others. I think this will always be the case unless there's some stockpile of used housing that isn't being rented out. That being said, I think you're right in that the tech workers will move in and open up cheaper housing. If nothing else, more housing (with associated occupancy) means more taxpayers, more density and makes things more efficient. Tigntink posted:Back to an old topic - Owner of Liberty Bar in Cap Hill just shot himself in the foot in my opinion This is what I was getting at earlier about small businesses. gently caress this owner, I hope national bank has the pleasure of foreclosing on the bar.
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mod sassinator posted:Typo, it was an income tax. I was sad to see that one get voted down, but didn't have a ton of hope for it. That fucker is from Mukilteo. I'm in my early 30s, and I remember him doing poo poo when I was in 5th grade.
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seiferguy posted:I haven't seen any polls on how Prop. 1 will turn out. I've read enough editorials that most news sites (minus The Stranger) give pretty FYGM reasons for why you should vote no. Essentially "sorry poor people, but you should just get a car instead" and no one really thinks about how many cars it would add to Seattle's already-awful congestion. Sadly I live on the edge of Snohomish next to King so I can't vote on it Same here, though I'm much closer to Everett. I don't get it, because supporting mass transit is the most FYGM position you can take as a car driver - fewer people in cars means my commute is better. No construction delays, no wait, just add buses and bus routes in my area and suddenly I'm saving time all over the loving place. What is so difficult about this? Is it really nothing more than "Waah waah waah my precious
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Reason posted:You guys should think about getting involved with Socialist Alternative if you're happy with what shes doing, I've talked with a member down in Olympia for a while and actually ended up joining up. There's supposed to be a fairly large conference in Seattle this month, the weekend of of the 26th with saturday focusing mainly on the 15 now stuff and sunday being sort of an international meet up thats supposed to have a lot of interesting information. Do they support wacky anti-science stuff aka anti-vax/anti-nuke/anti-GMO? Not in the "we don't trust private corps not to abuse this stuff" way but in the "we believe wacky poo poo about atoms/genes/etc" way? If not, I might have to look them up. I'd love to support a good pro-labor/progressive group but I keep running into anti-science nutballs and it drives me crazy.
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Apr 17, 2014 18:27
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Space Gopher posted:The current taxi regulations suck, but that doesn't mean that the unregulated, exploitative mess that is Lyft/Sidecar/UberX should be the replacement. This is what I keep coming to. There was an article in Vallywag about how Uber was artificially jacking up surge pricing, and they're all dodging taxes and regulations like basic calibration/certification of their distance measuring tools. I know that sounds like pedantic poo poo, but that's why we can trust a scale in the grocery store, or a gas pump.
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Apr 18, 2014 17:14
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And Prop 1 is failing 45-55. With low voter turnout. loving christ, there are mail in ballots, why is this so loving difficult?
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Apr 23, 2014 13:49
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UnclePlasticBitch posted:And the cars win yet again in the "war on cars." I never get this, because more buses is a win for people who have to drive a car to work.
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Apr 23, 2014 16:51
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Thanatosian posted:Don't forget that a large portion of that money was earmarked for road improvements, too. I'm in Snohomish County, so I had no idea about this part. What the loving gently caress. We just had a bridge collapse, you'd think spending money making sure roads are in good condition would be a priority. But no, it's an off year election, so all the anti-tax rear end in a top hat vote, and the supposed "progressives" forget there was an election is the first place. Great work, shitheads.
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Space Gopher posted:Don't worry too much about that. It turns out that humans aren't perfectly rational market actors, and so the whole "demand-priced toll for access to HOV lanes" pilot has been a massive joke: Could it be that I167 is a giant steaming pile of poo poo which has full HOV lanes when there's tons of traffic anyway? EDIT: Sorry, that snark isn't meant for you, it's meant for all the times I've been caught trying to see my brother in Puyallap. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Apr 23, 2014 |
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Thanatosian posted:King County residents should really start pushing for a referendum that would force state general fund spending in each county to be within 5% of the general fund revenue collected from that county. King County's budget problems would be entirely over, and Ferry County would just have to find a way to trim some loving fat. As loving hilarious as that would be, wouldn't you end up killing off the ferry system?
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Apr 25, 2014 12:31
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Hell, paying for a bunch of billboards in these welfare counties showing how much they take would be rather amusing.
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Portland is nice to visit and all, but seriously, you guys voted down fluoridated drinking water. It's one thing for folks to freak out about GMOs or even vaccines (neither WA or OR are great on those counts) but fluoridated drinking water? That's really loving nuts to be against.
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May 5, 2014 06:05
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effectual posted:Do you drink pure grain vodka or rainwater? Look, rather than trying to be cute, just get to your point. Edit: Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I'd honestly say rejecting vaccination is substantially worse than rejecting water fluoridation. Sure, but WA and OR both suck on the vaccination front, while at least WA has fluoridation. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 13:41 on May 5, 2014 |
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FRINGE posted:As long as you rub it on your teeth (toothpaste), the entire topic is pointless. From the CDC: quote:Water fluoridation prevents tooth decay mainly by providing teeth with frequent contact with low levels of fluoride throughout each day and throughout life. Even today, with other available sources of fluoride, studies show that water fluoridation reduces tooth decay by about 25 percent over a person's lifetime. So no, the entire topic is not "pointless", especially if you're poor or otherwise lack access to proper dental care. This poo poo was known years ago and yet the state of Oregon decided "nope, we know better than those silly doctors and scientists".
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Kaal posted:First off, it wasn't a state-wide vote, it was just the city of Portland. Fluoridation is not state-mandated in either Oregon or Washington. And secondly, the city of Portland enjoys better significantly better tooth decay statistics than the rest of the country. I would have voted for fluoridation, but if they don't want to have fluoride in their water, that's ok. Getting up on a high-horse as if no one knows how fluoride works in Portland is really stupid, and it makes you look like you don't know about all the other sources of fluoride available. I was pretty loving clear about why arguing that "there are other sources of fluoride" is a bad argument. I posted a whole poo poo ton of material from the CDC, did you not bother to look? Adding fluoride to water still increases health regardless of other sources being available, it especially helps children and the poor, it's the cheapest solution out there, and it pays off $36 for every $1 spent. So no, it's not "ok" for a supposedly liberal population to vote against basic health reforms and end up loving children and the poor in the process. I don't care if you think I'm being arrogant, but when people vote to gently caress children over because they're too stupid to understand basic science, they deserve to be mocked. 800peepee51doodoo posted:Or the history of the fight to preserve the Bull Run watershed from development and resource extraction that has been ongoing for decades. Its a lot more than just dumb, science hating hippies hollering about chemicals and Eddie Bernays. You could, you know, actually try to link preservation of the Bull Run watershed to fluoridation of water. We're big of preserving watersheds up north as well, yet there's fluoride here in the water. And all the anti-fluoride stuff I saw was a bunch of science-hating hippie bullshit so why not show some examples? A link? Something? Edit: Here, let me loving start for you: Clean Water Portland - 12 Reasons to Vote No Oh look, it's a bunch of anti-science bullshit! I'm shocked! Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 17:13 on May 5, 2014 |
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Kaal posted:It's pretty funny that on the one hand you're reducing any argument against water fluoridation to "drat hippies", while also somehow accusing Portland of being only "supposedly liberal". Meanwhile, Washington is also below the national average for per capita water fluoridation. Shine on Crazy Diamond. I'll be more than happy to discuss non-hippy reasons for going against fluoridation of tap water once someone actually posts them. A few already mentioned that toothpaste has fluoride, and my response was to point out that fluoridation of water was cheaper and more effective than toothpaste alone. Why does this not count in your mind? Why did you ignore it when I talked about it twice? By the way, the discussion was Seattle vs. Portland. My earlier references to WA and OR in general were specifically talking about other issues like vaccination. How about you actually respond to what I'm saying rather than ignoring it? After all, you're the one supporting worse health outcomes for children and the poor. Maybe you should actually justify that poo poo. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 17:44 on May 5, 2014 |
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May 5, 2014 17:39
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Ardennes posted:That said, it would suck if this thread just turned into a OR v WA or PDX v SEA slap fight because to be honest both states have similarities but also their own unique problems. If I wanted to make this about SEA vs. PDX, I would have posted the current Western Conference table.  The fluoridation issue just strikes me as something so bizarre for a major world city like Portland. This isn't something trivial like who pumps your gas, it's a serious public health issue.
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highme posted:One could also point to the NBA playoffs. Touche my friend, touche.
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FRINGE posted:When the CDC is referring to fluoridated water being an "inexpensive" solution they are not referring to the lack of affordable (to literally anyone) toothpaste in Portland. (Unless Portland is an anomaly, you will have an easier time getting toothpaste than food even if you are literally homeless.) Theres a bunch of politics behind their chosen tone but its boring and not worth arguing about. No, they're referring to how for larger populations it costs around 50 cents per person. quote:The CDC also publishes warnings that the levels of fluoride in most US water is sufficient to cause dental fluorosis if it is used as the exclusive source of water for children under 8 years old. I'm going to stop you right there, because you don't have the right to post a link from the CDC of all loving places, misrepresent what that link states, and go on like nothing happened. Did you seriously think I wouldn't read it? Here, directly from the CDC: CDC posted:What accounts for most of the fluoride intake? The warnings posted from the CDC discuss how young children shouldn't swallow excessive amounts of toothpaste and how care should be taken when fluoride is above certain limits. Why are you misrepresenting what the CDC is saying? quote:Harvard also advised caution regarding neurodevelopment: This is really loving cool, because you're misreading the study. As the study itself explains, (and here's a cheat sheet for folks), the "low fluoride" groups matched the amount of fluoride normally found in public drinking water all around the world and had no adverse effects. The groups what were affected had 2-4 mg/L, rather than a more normal 0.5-1.1 mg/L found in typical fluoridated drinking water. quote:... and the levels the EPA allows have been argued over within the last decade: Uh, what in the hell is this? Are you loving kidding me? quote:There are also more studies coming out regarding bad outcomes with lifelong overexposure to fluoride and its effects on thyroid function. You're citing unpublished, non-reviewed work now? We're supposed to take you at your word? Why should I believe you when you've already misrepresented the CDC? quote:Regarding poor people, it turns out that malnutrition is a terrible thing to mix with fluoride supplementation. The first study talking about fluoride levels upwards of 14mg mg/L, in the absence of iodine. I'm pretty sure even the poor in this country have no problem getting iodized SALT. The second study finds positive, neutral and negative correlations with random forms of cancer, and suggests that more work be done in the area. So loving what? In your third study, mean fluoride intake was 9.5 mg/L. Are you loving kidding me? quote:When you yell FLUORIDE FLUORIDE FLUORIDE you are part of the reason people fight against it. You dont know what youre talking about and no one wants to risk someone like you making decisions about what (or how much) is in the public water sources. You loving lied. You misrepresented the CDC, you didn't read any of the studies you posted, you cannot tell the difference between correlation and causation, and you don't understand the concept of an overdose. After just making poo poo up, you have the guts to claim that not only do I know nothing, but that it's because of people like me that people are afraid of doing basic, inexpensive things to raise their own quality of life. We're talking about issues of public health. That's not "a dumb hobby". I get that my tone is angry, but what you're doing is going against scientific consensus without supporting evidence and defending/advocating a position that will cause harm to others, especially those with fewer means. That's something worth getting angry about. Knock it off. Hooters Estailer, you want some non-bullshit sources? Here's the whole CDC section on the issue, and here are some others . Here's the National Academy of Sciences, and the World Health Organization. Note in the last link their focus on poor communities in both high and low income societies, and how effective use of fluoride is a key component of solving this issue. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 06:28 on May 6, 2014 |
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Kaal posted:This debate was tedious a year ago when Portland voted on it, and it has not improved with age. Portland voted fluoridation down for reasons specific to Portland, and if you don't like that then please start a tedious thread about it instead of making GBS threads up this one as if water fluoridation is the sole measure of civilization. Why the people of Portland won't vote in favor of inexpensive, fundamental form of societal based healthcare certainly colors the political character of the area. To ignore that as "tedious" and "making GBS threads up the thread" is simply ignoring the huge public health issues that both areas share. There's a reason why Frontline's "The Vaccine War" starts in Oregon, why just a few years ago Washington state was 48th in Kindergarten vaccinations and so on. Last I heard we're 41st now, which is cold comfort. To borrow from Mrit, why do we vote in such an anti-science manner? Why are our policies shaped in this way?
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Enkmar posted:I don't know if it's a measure of anything. I just went and took a look at what the rest of the global community does to artificially fluoridate their water and it turns out its not very much. The campaign wasn't argued on what the world does, it was argued on a bunch of anti-science bullshit - I linked the campaign site earlier and it was filled with this crap. I keep hearing about strains of FYGM, but I haven't seen any examples of it yet. So why is it that "Portland people" prefer to ignore the scientific consensus and inexpensive health benefits over an irrational fear of, as you put it, "water additives"? Many policies in the PNW are driven by these and similarly anti-science beliefs. We have posters in this very thread willfully misrepresenting data, after all. The GMO labeling campaign in WA last year was also filled with this crap, to the point where the Yes campaign started scaring people with a hybrid plant-fish mascot. I suspect upcoming GMO measures in Oregon will have a similar tone. Look, if folks don't want to talk about the specifics of fluoridation, fine. That doesn't give people the right to post false and misleading scientific data unchallenged, however. Anti-science beliefs shape important aspects of our public policy here in the PNW, and I think it's a huge waste to ignore those influences.
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oxbrain posted:Meanwhile, WA state legislature is playing chicken with the state supreme court over education funding. The court gave the legislature until April 30th to submit a plan to get education funding on track by 2018. All they got back was a "well we did try really hard." The court has a few options available, including voiding parts of the budget or editing parts of the budget. The political backlash from them raising taxes or cutting programs will be huge, but at this point it's about the only way anything will get done. Wait, the state Supreme Court can raise taxes?
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Tigntink posted:http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Neighbors-say-mosque-in-Redmond-would-add-to-traffic-parking-woes-259310311.html" Folks are trying to build a Mosque in Mukilteo as well, but all I've seen is a small banner that has since been taken down. Anyone know anything about this?
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800peepee51doodoo posted:NPR is reporting that a federal judge has just overturned Oregon's gay marriage ban. Congrats Oregon!
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In other news, there's a ban on cultivating GMO on the ballot in Jackson County. quote:The measure in Jackson County in southern Oregon, has drawn national attention and more than $1 million in campaign funding to the community, which has only 117,650 registered voters. So can anyone tell me about this county? Is this a significant amount of agricultural production in Oregon, either in terms of space or specific crops? Also, if they stopped spouting frankenfood bullshit and supported public research into GMOs, they wouldn't have to choose between "chemical companies" and "families farms".
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seiferguy posted:Washington state had an initiative that would have simply required labeling GMO foods. Initial polls showed it had a majority support, but then a ton of money came in against it and it lost pretty handily. There's no way a straight ban on GMO crops will ever come to fruition. Vermont passed a labeling law, and Mendicino County has a GMO cultivation ban.
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Ernie Muppari posted:But he's even got the word "ball" in his name! How can you allow such mascot potential to be wasted? A giant bald man with an anger management problem tossing (foam) chairs in the general direction of people that look at him funny would make for a hilarious mascot. Too bad he'd be mistaken for a coach.
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Mrit posted:As someone from Seattle, the best sport is *insert team that did the best last year* and the other ones suck. You have to admit, it was pretty loving hilarious how the rest of the nation was rooting for Denver.
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seiferguy posted:Sort-of-political but Jean Enersen is retiring as news anchor of King5 after doing it for 42 years. She was the first female anchor in Seattle (and possibly first in the country for a permanent female news anchor). I've always liked her but I'm seeing some backlash with commentors saying "don't let the door hit you on the way out" type comments. Was she controversial in some way? Speaking of sudden retirements, Steve Scher announced over Facebook at ~ 11:30pm Friday that he's left his position at KUOW. I don't really blame him, that "IT'S A NEWS MAGAZINE" programming is total bullshit.
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SyHopeful posted:Just a general warning that this is a mixed bag. I have been thanked by Juneau Police officers for waiting for a safe area to pull over, but have also been told by police in Oregon to pull over immediately. Know your local regs on that. Yeah, some cops are happy, others play the "I flashed my lights exactly where I wanted you to stop, how dare you question my judgement".
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SyHopeful posted:Probably smartest to pull over to the right ASAP. That way it's on the officer, not you. I agree, though the first time I was ever pulled over I was yelled at by the cop for not taking the first exit. I think he was just kind of a dick though.
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