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Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

I'm planning a move to Seattle in the next few months, and honestly as a single guy with low comfort needs, I'd happily live in a tiny dorm-style room with shared kitchen access if that brings the cost of living in Seattle down to something more reasonable.

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Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

What? I'm probably missing the actual issue at stake here, but what I said is true.

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not actually under the delusion that these developers are working with my interests at heart. They're clearly trying to cram as many rent-paying monyfountains into a plot of land as possible, for the minimum amount of expense on their part. But Seattle's entire general renting situation seems very lovely right now, and as far as I know these things (despite their stench of desperation and exploitation) might still be my best bet. "As far as I know" is admittedly very little so far, so please, fill me in. Fill me in on the joke, too.

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Oct 15, 2014

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

anthonypants posted:

Rent is ballooning out of control and we need to make sure the cost of living doesn't go down. Popping this bubble now would be bad for the economy, imho. Instead, let's keep the price per square foot steady on the same upward trajectory, but we'll just make the apartments smaller. As a goonlord shut-in I certainly wouldn't mind living in a casket, and no one my age even knows how to cook so why do I even need a kitchenette?

Talk to me about the broader economical impact of these micro-apartments, I'm clueless about that poo poo and I really do care. Half the reason I spoke up just now was to talk about that stuff. Contentless derisive laughter isn't talk.

But as far as where I manage to live come January, I'm happy cooking in a shared kitchen and I only need a place to park my computer, a twin bed, and shower. Not trying to say this sort of poo poo is acceptable for anyone other than myself. The only thing I said is that I would be willing to live there, if it's actually any cheaper than just getting a room in a place with a bunch of roommates.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

anthonypants posted:

You're right, I should unquestionably put my trust in the invisible hand of the free market. Only through freedom will we achieve Liberty.

Talk to me about how these things are bad for poor people. I'm perfectly ready to be against these things on principle. I didn't say "I support the creation of these things, stop hurting our ~job creators~ and the ~free market~", I said "I'd be willing to live in one if it comes to that".

anthonypants posted:

You told me I can't be mad at property developers
He said not to direct your criticism at the people willing to live in these micro-apartments (like me).

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Oct 15, 2014

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Yeah there are actual reasons I have to move to Seattle. But I guess this conversation is going to go nowhere since you seem hell-bent on assigning me the role of defending the developers. I don't actually think that these microapartments are good for anybody or that they'd keep the cost of living down or whatever it is you think I'm saying.

quote:

Councilmember Kshama Sawant voiced concern about affordability before voting for the bill, but said rent control and public housing, rather than micro-apartments, are what Seattle needs most.
Good yes please let's do those things. In the meantime I'm neither a policymaker nor a developer, and I need a place to live in January, and I'm willing to settle for a microapartment, and you seem to think I'm the problem.

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Oct 15, 2014

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

I still don't see how this is my fault. I need to be in Seattle instead of Port Angeles for reasons I'm not going into here. If the cheapest place to put my computer and bed happens to be a closet, then I'm going to live in a closet. Because dealing with substandard living conditions is currently a more plausible option for me than, I don't know, waiting for the city to fix its housing policy.

I'll probably instead end up in a situation with a long commute and a half-dozen roommates, honestly. I'll see what I can manage to find, and you guys can tell me how my decision affects the housing market.

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Oct 15, 2014

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

I don't have a car, so living in somewhere like Shoreline isn't an option because they don't even have bus service -- at all -- on Sundays. I'm going to be looking for somewhere on the very edges of Seattle's bus network (which is actually pretty good, compared to most places I've seen in the US).

(And again -- like with pets, children, spouse, furniture, etc -- I'm not saying "housing policy should be designed around people without these things" I'm saying "I personally don't have these things, so my choice of housing for myself will reflect that." When/if I have these things in the future, I will live somewhere larger, and so I do care about the broader housing situation. But I can't change the broader housing situation with my choice of where to live right this moment.)

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Oct 15, 2014

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Don't improve non-car infrastructure, just buy a car. Buy a car. Why don't you filthy poors own a car yet? It is the only way people will ever get around in God's U.S. of A.

(I love arguments in D&D where both sides present themselves as the socialist and their opponent as the AnCap. Cars are now the progressive answer, against the bourgeoisie capitalist movement of Public Transportation?)

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Oct 16, 2014

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Solkanar512 posted:

No one has said this, why don't you actually quote someone and respond to them intelligently instead?

That was my entire point -- I was mimicking the debating style of the post above me, which was phrasing anti-car sentiment as

FRINGE posted:

The serfs should not be permitted to lose line-of-sight to work or home on pain of death.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Yes, we should keep our wages low so that the poor community housing Wal-Mart Headquarters can keep more of its wal-mart money.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

"The individual ability to travel beyond your home and work bubble" is absolutely important and great, but isn't unique to the personal car. Many modern modes of transportation can accomplish that just as well and more efficiently, except in a rural environment. Requiring everyone to purchase an expensive 1.5-ton machine, operate one of those per 1-4 travelers, and keep it stored in an easily-accessible location wherever they go, now THAT'S the definitive feature of the car.

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Oct 17, 2014

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

FRINGE posted:

:spoiled-person-with-spare-money:
:looking-down-on-poors:

I don't see where the hell you're getting this. His entire argument is trying to prove that fewer drivers makes it easier to create public transportation, which is notably cheaper to use than owning a car, if it's available. He may have failed to prove this to you, but that doesn't suddenly morph his entire philosophy into one with the exact opposite goals.

Like I said earlier: I find it hilarious in D&D how often both sides of an argument are "on the side of the poor" and certain that their opponent is supporting the rich/spoiled.

Accretionist posted:

I live in an area whose downtown has a shortage of parking. Parking garages would own; gently caress lots and street parking.
Now HERE is a question I'm interested in. If an area is already inaccessible, because there's neither parking OR public transit, then there isn't even an issue of transitioning from one kind of infrastructure to the other. Why would you choose the pipe dream of a brand-new parking garage over the pipe dream of an easy bus route from your neighborhood to the destination?

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Oct 18, 2014

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Peztopiary posted:

Yes Idaho is clearly oppressing the Californians. That's why they keep moving up here.

Hey, your vote counts more if you move to Idaho.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Peztopiary posted:

Utah doesn't really have nine times more say though.
Each person in Utah gets nine times more say than each person in NY. The locations aren't what (should) matter, the human beings are. If one day Idaho and Utah merged, there would still be far fewer people at stake in that area, and the Two Senators that Utaho gets would still be disproportionate. And what about the opposite? Are there any states that you think need to be divided up further, to add a couple more senators to that area to further promote the "legitimate needs" of that relatively-empty space?

States are artificial entities created by people for people. If you get too wrapped up in thinking of states as naturally-occurring entities with rights, and whether Rhode Island is getting as much out of the union as Texas is (instead of whether the people in those states are being treated fairly) then a lot of things become warped. The days of the colonies deciding to join is long-past, states aren't basically-independent countries with competing interests anymore.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

It's not asking for more on top of the funding gap that already exists. It basically just clarifies how they should start filling the hole -- a clear outline of where to start.

"You aren't spending enough on education" is already an illegal thing congress is doing, but it's easier to get away with ignoring a vague mandate. I-1351 is meant to clarify a very specific thing they should do, which falls within that existing mandate. (Importantly, this makes it easier for the courts to take them to task if they don't act).

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Oct 27, 2014

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Best Friends posted:

Cascadia is the weirdest thing to me. Hmm, we make all our money selling poo poo to the rest of America via being part of the American system. Let's leave that, it will all be totally fine. Like, what is the appeal there.

I don't think people take Cascadia seriously, it's just a fun idea to float. The appeal is just in, like, cultural solidarity or something. "Hey B.C. and Oregon, we like you guys, we should really be our own country" "hey yeah haha sounds cool, we'd be the best country." There aren't any practical advantages to it, but nobody's actually going to take steps towards succession.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Honestly I always thought that Douglas Fir silhouette could stand to be more stylized. Some of those little half-smoothed details in the branches look kind of ugly and not-thought-out, like someone just applied a photoshop filter to a photograph. The color choices and general idea are great, though, and more than make up for that.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

I was working at the Sol Duc Hot Springs resort, halfway between Forks and Port Angeles, one summer right during the worst of the Twilight craze. You wouldn't believe how many disappointed tourists washed up in our resort after they couldn't stand to stay in Forks for as long as planned.

EDIT: why did I write Sequim there, that's not correct

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Oct 31, 2014

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

If we combined Washington, Oregon, and B.C., both Vancouvers would be part of the same entity.


EDIT: In my experience, if someone from Washington refers to "Vancouver" without context, they're usually talking about the city in B.C., but if they're from Oregon they're talking about the city in Washington. You guys should just annex the place already. :getin:

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Nov 1, 2014

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Oregon and Washington are probably doing themselves a lot of harm by being a "No Sales Tax, Ever" state adjacent to a "No Income Tax, Ever" state. It's like anti-symbiosis, letting local people pull a Vancouver and pay neither kind of tax.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

size1one posted:

Not much. Most of the traffic is from commuters not bargain hunters.

That's why the only real solution is to have both states spread their tax revenue into their respective unused source.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

FRINGE posted:

There is no place for secrecy with food. This falls the same way as ag-gag laws.

This isn't about secrecy. There are thousands of details about the origins of your food that would never fit onto a package. But when people see that there's specifically a warning label for GMO, that says something to them about GMO being specifically harmful or relevant somehow, despite science showing no such thing.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Javid posted:

So the argument is basically "people with information on GMO content might make a decision I consider suboptimal"?
The argument is that the rule is arbitrary and useless, because there are thousands of things you could have "information on" and singling out this specific thing is something we should require only if this specific thing is dangerous or relevant somehow. It's not. But having a warning label implies that there is, which is straight-up spreading disinformation.

This isn't me saying that consumers are stupid, this is me saying that consumers will reasonably trust that warning labels make any sort of sense, and this law will make that untrue.

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Nov 4, 2014

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Ditocoaf posted:

The argument is that the rule is arbitrary and useless, because there are thousands of things you could have "information on" and singling out this specific thing is something we should require only if this specific thing is dangerous or relevant somehow. It's not. But having a warning label implies that there is, which is straight-up spreading disinformation.

This isn't me saying that consumers are stupid, this is me saying that consumers will reasonably trust that warning labels make any sort of sense, and this law will make that untrue.

I'm a socialist, if we're doing identity politics. I trust corporations as little as anyone here. But this GMO thing isn't relevant to that.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Yeah, if a "transfer" doesn't require that the gun actually leave your presence, that's clearly dumb, and should be rectified (which could be done with a single line clarifying that simple distinction).

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

I'm still skeptical that something counts as a "transfer" if it doesn't leave your presence or ownership.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

edit: never mind

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

SedanChair posted:

*opens, sells sandwiches all day, closes*

*repeat forever*

"What a crappy business"
I think the "crappy business" insult was directed at the behavior they're accused of like wage theft, discrimination, etc.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Yeah, if everyone in D&D with an opinion on gun control wanted to hop in here and join the debate, then this thread would never leave the subject of gun control. We can have other threads for that. Jackal clearly has no interest in this region except as an excuse to argue about guns, which makes this the wrong thread for him.

You can keep talking about guns, twodot, you're clearly fine, but as people from outside the PNW jump in just for more gunchat, it becomes less and less relevant to this thread.

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Nov 12, 2014

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Washington voters are allergic to income taxes, and Oregon voters are allergic to sales taxes. Together, they make Vancouver a reality. Vancouver is the result of two states playing Chicken with incompatible tax philosophies, and both losing.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Yeah, it's nice to look at a price and know how much money you'll need to pay. That's kind of the purpose of a written price. I don't need to know how much of that is going to the business, or the supplier, or the state.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011


Ahaha, that's hilarious. They're making a big public point of how badly they misunderstand the word "transfer".

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

There are thousands and thousands of pieces of information that could be put on a food label. Millions, even. Everything from the toxicity levels of the soil the food was grown in, to the exact kind of metal used in the processing machines, to the ethnicity of the workers who packaged it.

Obviously we aren't putting all of that in a giant book stapled to every food item. So when we do legally enforce a certain kind of label, that says something: it says "this is significant, this is relevant to your health". That's not true for GMO, to the best of science's ability to determine, but that's what the existence of a label implies, by singling out this particular factoid.

I don't think consumers are "gullible" or whatever. I think they would be be smart to believe, based on the existence of such a label, that science had determined GMO to be risky. They would be drawing the obvious conclusion, trusting that our food labels made some kind of rational sense. GMO labels on food would be misleading. The labels would actively misinform consumers about the health risks of such a product.

That's why I think GMO labels are anti-science. It's certainly not an issue of progressive or conservative. Let's find some way to gently caress over Monsanto without also loving over our scientific understanding. (Many old hippies are hardly even progressive these days, they're more FYGM in extremely white cities where they don't have to think about actual social issues.)

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Dec 4, 2014

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

oxbrain posted:

Just because we can't fit it on a label doesn't mean it's impossible to make that information available. I'd love to be able to find out exactly where my food came from.

This seems like a red herring in our debate about legally requiring something on food labels.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

oxbrain posted:

Enjoy the collapse of your industrial base.

Vancouver, WA exists to avoid income taxes from Oregon and sales taxes from Washington. It is a big ol' leech crammed in Cascadia's nether region. Why would it get help from tax money.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

I found it kinda amusing that Albertson's had their "Monopoly" marketing gimmick going on while the buyout happened.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Yeah people still donate all their old unused attic-stuff to Goodwill, thinking it's a charity, when it hasn't actually been a charity in forever. They basically siphon off what little philantropic spirit suburbanites have, and turn a sizable profit off it.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

60 if I'm going to be active, 68 if I'm gonna be sedentary.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Dang. That's a good blogpost.

I could see it maybe spurring a discussion that goes to good places, but I could also see it doing nothing more than stirring up a bunch of the "anti-tax crusaders" he mentioned, who will only interpret him saying "we should raise taxes".

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Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

At a christmas party, someone asked me to explain Gamergate to her. I think she'd heard of it because of some minor celebrity getting harassed, or something. Best I came up with was something like "It was a rabid subculture backlash against the minor progress games and games-writing have made in the last couple years towards inclusivity and feminism. But they'd say it's about something else, because it was a messy shitstorm in general."

There was no point in getting into the "ethics in games journalism" smokescreen, becuase well, the videogame press has always shared a bed with AAA publishers, but this debacle (when it orbited past its proported topic at all) was focused on like, indie games. Indie games getting too much unwarranted attention because of feminism and collusion or something. Oh god I'm frustrated again

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