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Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Suspicious Dish posted:

That's athas's blog. You just told the author their own summary is wrong holy poo poo lmao

Suspicious Dish posted:

Peak nbsd

fucc lmao

# ? Jul 1, 2019 16:04

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# ? May 20, 2024 14:18

the bsd boys: Aug 8, 2011; Can't post for 371 days!

Suspicious Dish posted:

That's athas's blog. You just told the author their own summary is wrong holy poo poo lmao

# ? Jul 1, 2019 16:27

Progressive JPEG: Feb 19, 2003

The Xkdc Larper posted:

Why use sway over i3?

when you want something almost like i3 but don't want screen sharing to work

# ? Jul 1, 2019 18:30

Progressive JPEG: Feb 19, 2003

Athas posted:

I recently gave up on GNOME and switched to sway. Fortunately I was able to make it behave like the mid-2000s window manager I used as a teenager.

sounds like you should just get a better keyboard

# ? Jul 1, 2019 18:31

Qtotonibudinibudet: Nov 7, 2011; Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

when i tried wayland briefly sway seemed like an okay i3 replacement (or at least a start at one).

but then i ran up against the wall of libinput not supporting remapping multi-finger tap inputs to specific click types because the maintainer didn't seem to comprehend that not everyone has the same touchpad they do and that this functionality was, as such, not important and too hard to implement.

# ? Jul 1, 2019 19:46

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

Suspicious Dish posted:

No I didn't. I am not Daniel.

oh sorry

# ? Jul 1, 2019 20:05

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

florida lan posted:

when i tried wayland briefly sway seemed like an okay i3 replacement (or at least a start at one).

but then i ran up against the wall of libinput not supporting remapping multi-finger tap inputs to specific click types because the maintainer didn't seem to comprehend that not everyone has the same touchpad they do and that this functionality was, as such, not important and too hard to implement.

"works on my machine"

# ? Jul 1, 2019 20:28

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

florida lan posted:

when i tried wayland briefly sway seemed like an okay i3 replacement (or at least a start at one).

but then i ran up against the wall of libinput not supporting remapping multi-finger tap inputs to specific click types because the maintainer didn't seem to comprehend that not everyone has the same touchpad they do and that this functionality was, as such, not important and too hard to implement.

that's a problem with the device db, not libinput. your touchpad needs to be added to the device db with the correct tags and then this functionality will be mapped correctly.

if it were the other way around and libinput threw 50 different touch pad settings in your face and told you to tune things up so that they matched your particular touch pad then you'd be complaining about how unpolished it is.

# ? Jul 1, 2019 20:34

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

sapozhnik beat me to it

hutterer even saw how cumbersome hwdb through udev was, so libinput has added support for definining rules through ini-files: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libinput/libinput/commit/5792af9a5f4ae0bc11cd6d070ed643896c157f19

# ? Jul 1, 2019 20:42

Athas: Aug 6, 2007; fuck that joker

I'm using sway/Wayland on a boring old desktop with keyboard, mouse, single monitor, wired ethernet, and a fixed set of peripherals (and nothing fancy at that). I think it would require a lot more janitoring if I ran it on a laptop, or cared much about plugging in portable media.

# ? Jul 1, 2019 21:14

Progressive JPEG: Feb 19, 2003

Sapozhnik posted:

that's a problem with the device db, not libinput. your touchpad needs to be added to the device db with the correct tags and then this functionality will be mapped correctly.

by "device" I think you mean "model of laptop", for example: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libinput/libinput/blob/master/quirks/50-system-lenovo.quirks

I have a T440s. its bad buttonless touchpad was replaced with one from the x50 series as they are electrically compatible

afterwards, to fix some stuttering I had to manually edit the device db to have a t440 case with "ModelLenovoT450Touchpad=1"

# ? Jul 1, 2019 21:52

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

yeah that's the new ini-file thingie (quirks files), not hwdb

# ? Jul 1, 2019 21:59

Fiedler: Jun 29, 2002; I, for one, welcome our new mouse overlords.

Suspicious Dish posted:

Peak nbsd

nah, the post was not even remotely related to footwear

# ? Jul 2, 2019 04:15

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

maybe interesting for someone

With An Out-Of-Tree Kernel Patch You Can Finally Read/Write To The SSDs On Newer Macs

# ? Jul 3, 2019 17:35

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

heh

x86/fsgsbase: Revert FSGSBASE support

gleixner not that happy with intel

# ? Jul 5, 2019 16:24

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

at least i tried

# ? Jul 6, 2019 00:48

Progressive JPEG: Feb 19, 2003

Tankakern posted:

yeah that's the new ini-file thingie (quirks files), not hwdb

where do quirk files go? here's the hwdb hack i had to do previously

apparently it indeed no longer does anything, messing with wayland again after a few months and the occasional cursor stuttering has reappeared

code:

# support hacked touchpad
# put this into /etc/udev/hwdb.d/10-touchpad.hwdb
# see also: [url]https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libinput/libinput/blob/7f6c1fc4354ff0fbbe43238f54a9ef3a88f05d46/udev/90-libinput-model-quirks.hwdb[/url]
# to reload:
#   sudo udevadm hwdb --update
#   sudo udevadm test /sys/class/input/event11 # from libinput list-devices
libinput:name:SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad:dmi:*svnLENOVO:*:pvrThinkPad*:
 LIBINPUT_MODEL_LENOVO_T450_TOUCHPAD=1
 LIBINPUT_ATTR_PALM_PRESSURE_THRESHOLD=150

e: the url tags being inserted into the paste are 100% radium

# ? Jul 6, 2019 12:54

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

/etc/libinput/local-overrides.quirks

https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/device-quirks.html

# ? Jul 6, 2019 18:20

Progressive JPEG: Feb 19, 2003

Tankakern posted:

/etc/libinput/local-overrides.quirks

https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/device-quirks.html

great thanks! something to mess around with on a rainy Sunday afternoon

also trip report on swapping out x11+i3 with wayland+sway again: everything's the same so far, things feel subjectively faster on this 6yo laptop but I haven't measured. the one objective change is the catastrophic tearing on Netflix video in Firefox has completely gone away

# ? Jul 6, 2019 22:38

Progressive JPEG: Feb 19, 2003

ended up with this quirks equivalent in about 10 minutes or so:

code:

# Copy this file into /etc/libinput/local-overrides.quirks
# Check with e.g. $ libinput quirks list --verbose /dev/input/event12
[Lenovo T450 Touchpad in T440s]
MatchDMIModalias=dmi:*svnLENOVO:*:pvrThinkPadT440s*
ModelLenovoT450Touchpad=1

the "libinput quirks list --verbose" command made it easy to check that the file is actually doing something

i'm still a bit :stonk:

about basing touchpad detection off of the laptop model but i imagine thats the best of several bad options, given pc hardware manufacturers etc

# ? Jul 7, 2019 03:25

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

neat!

# ? Jul 7, 2019 09:29

Rufus Ping: Dec 27, 2006; I'm a Friend of Rodney Nano

https://twitter.com/debian/status/1147900101773295616

# ? Jul 7, 2019 17:11

Rufus Ping: Dec 27, 2006; I'm a Friend of Rodney Nano

# ? Jul 7, 2019 17:11

pram: Jun 10, 2001

Rufus Ping posted:

https://twitter.com/debian/status/1147900101773295616

# ? Jul 7, 2019 17:22

Breakfast All Day: Oct 21, 2004

Rufus Ping posted:

https://twitter.com/debian/status/1147900101773295616

quote:

An ACPI translator is available, it is currently only used to shut down the system.
The LwIP TCP/IP stack is now available as an option.
A PCI arbiter has been introduced, and will be useful to properly manage PCI access, as well as provide fine-grain hardware access.
Support for LLVM was introduced.
New optimisations include protected payloads, better paging management and message dispatch, and gsync synchronization.

lmao

# ? Jul 7, 2019 17:25

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

pram posted:

5

https://twitter.com/ruigalaxys4/status/1147907747876417536

# ? Jul 7, 2019 17:40

Laslow: Jul 18, 2007

what? lol.

hurd is kind of the thing i remember exists every few years, like a deadbeat loser uncle.

as a layman when it comes to developing software, let alone building an os, that release log thingy is like hearing about how he filled out the form to register to take his ged test to get his life on track(at age 45), but is currently scrounging for change to catch a bus to get a postage stamp to send it out.

# ? Jul 7, 2019 17:41

sb hermit: Dec 13, 2016

Rufus Ping posted:

https://twitter.com/debian/status/1147900101773295616

# ? Jul 7, 2019 18:44

klafbang: Nov 18, 2009; Clapping Larry

Time to change the thread title � surely, 2019 will be the year of GNU/Hurd on the desktop, not GNU/Linux.

# ? Jul 7, 2019 18:53

Breakfast All Day: Oct 21, 2004

you cant polish a hurd

# ? Jul 7, 2019 18:57

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

2019 will be the year of GNU/Hurd on something

# ? Jul 7, 2019 19:04

Breakfast All Day: Oct 21, 2004

linux is meant to be scene, not hurd

# ? Jul 7, 2019 19:08

sb hermit: Dec 13, 2016

Zlodo posted:

2019 will be the year of GNU/Hurd on something

on a throwaway virtual machine

on the other hand, imagine someone breaking into a gnu/hurd vm over the network and trying all the zero day linux kernel bugs to get privilege escalation and tearing their hair out

# ? Jul 7, 2019 19:10

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Progressive JPEG posted:

ended up with this quirks equivalent in about 10 minutes or so:
code:
# Copy this file into /etc/libinput/local-overrides.quirks
# Check with e.g. $ libinput quirks list --verbose /dev/input/event12
[Lenovo T450 Touchpad in T440s]
MatchDMIModalias=dmi:*svnLENOVO:*:pvrThinkPadT440s*
ModelLenovoT450Touchpad=1
the "libinput quirks list --verbose" command made it easy to check that the file is actually doing something

i'm still a bit about basing touchpad detection off of the laptop model but i imagine thats the best of several bad options, given pc hardware manufacturers etc

the synaptics drivers for linux are really very, very good, but figuring out precisely what kind of device you are talking to in order to configure the driver is a challenge

so the choices are either set up the touchpad to have the responsiveness of a 1970s resistive device using fallback settings, or have horrible quirks files detecting model strings. i prefer the latter

(if you really want to know horror, look into how intel ac97 devices are configured. basically every laptop has different pinouts)

# ? Jul 7, 2019 19:37

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Breakfast All Day posted:

you cant polish a hurd

# ? Jul 7, 2019 19:37

klafbang: Nov 18, 2009; Clapping Larry

el dorito posted:

on a throwaway virtual machine

on the other hand, imagine someone breaking into a gnu/hurd vm over the network and trying all the zero day linux kernel bugs to get privilege escalation and tearing their hair out

I tried doing just that. I had to go and pick "other, other" on Parallels which knows multiple different versions of DOS, OS/2 and Solaris.

I could not get it installing the network adapter even after downgrading to a Realtek adapter, the network adaptor supported by multiple toasters and gardening equipment, I'm sure.

The installer looks like Linux ca 1995 but with more visual errors.

After installation, it informed me to install Grub on /dev/sda, but � psych � it is really /dev/hd0. BTW, now the installer is hosed, so please try again from scratch. Now, I'm going thru the installation process from scratch.

What are the odds I get sound on this thing?

# ? Jul 7, 2019 20:17

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

nbsd: the synaptics driver is a trainweck and has been deprecated for years. hutterer was the last maintainer, and he wont touch it with a ten feet pole

this is like when you talk about amd graphics and mention issues with fglrx, you're living 10 years in the past

Tankakern fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jul 7, 2019

# ? Jul 7, 2019 20:20

klafbang: Nov 18, 2009; Clapping Larry

Got it ~~running~~ ~~walking~~ barely crawling.

No network because Realtek doesn't even sound like a real piece of networking equipment.

If I click on the globe-ting or web-browser in the menu, I get a terminal. This is pretty much the full installation of Debian GNU/Hurd (for Enterprise).

Sound is not working.

# ? Jul 7, 2019 20:36

jre: Sep 2, 2011; To the cloud ?

klafbang posted:

No network because Realtek doesn't even sound like a real piece of networking equipment.

Sound is not working.

feature parity with linux at last

# ? Jul 7, 2019 20:37

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sb hermit: Dec 13, 2016

sound will work on hurd after linux gets sound

# ? Jul 7, 2019 20:39

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