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Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
every post you make is an ascii log

iykwim

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Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
os x is a very bad linux, it doesn't even use critical modern technologies like dbus or fvwm

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
in the same way that wile e coyote accelerates away from the roadrunner

mostly downwards

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
who needs a desktop environment? a simple wm is quite adequate for most linux purposes, it doesn't take a point and drool gnome to flip between xterms and emacs frames

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

oval office AND PASTE posted:

lol why would you use non-gtk3 software
why would you ever not? literally no good or popular software uses gtk3.

(well, I guess emacs can be built to, but the other options are all better.)

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
this but you

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

oval office AND PASTE posted:

just use fvwm, because the desktop paradigm peaked circa 1993
this is actually true.

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Forums Terrorist posted:

my favourite desktop environment is finder
sorry to break this to you but finder is a pos.

it used to be really good but they ruined it in osx (oddly enough, at the same time that macs turned into unix!) and it has been poo poo ever since.

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

ZShakespeare posted:

"let's make a desktop that is completely unusable piss garbage by grabbing some bits and pieces of successful osses after forgetting why they work!" -- steve jobs, circa 1999

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

oval office AND PASTE posted:

you would think linux users would be the first ones to rally around a linux-focused project that [changes things]
hmm yes, we will find many people who love radical change among the users of this conservative clone of a 1960s os running a gui system from the 1980s

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Symbolic Butt posted:

unix is from the 70s :goonsay:
I am shamed

this looks like a good desktop experience. it's even making buttcoin look slick and user-friendly.

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

theadder posted:

i use os x

I'm sorry to hear that, I hope you get better

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

BobHoward posted:

:agreed: but you dont always get to choose what's in your work pc


the "need" is wanting to boot the install dvd, press butan, and have it auto partition the disk as one partition instead of a bunch of tiny ones just because irrelevant decades-old big-iron neckbeard dogma insists that you must put swap and bin and sbin and root-FS and home dirs and opt each in their own mini partition. the "need" is not wanting to ever have to cj swap space. the "need" is not having to guess how much swap is enough potentially years before a critical event.

in short, the "need" is wanting a linux to actually behave like real desktop operating systems in tyool 2014
the defaults have always worked fine for me. maybe stop worrying so much?

what kind of "critical event" are you thinking of, anyway? that sounds like the sort of thing that might happen on the sort of server that people are paid to cj, not your desktop

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
I solved my performance issues by moving my swap file to a RAM disk

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Fib posted:

Please rename this thread to swapfile.avi
that would also be a good yospos username

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

pram posted:

wish ur posts would be gc'd
why do you think they're in this thread?

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Tankakern posted:

what? the last release was in 2011

maybe it ain't broke

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
at least we can all agree that ubuntu is bad

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

ZShakespeare posted:

I don't think anyone who makes a linux actually uses more than one monitor
the evil non-free nvidia drivers handle multiple monitors as well as any os i've ever had the misfortune to use

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
I run debian stable on the desktop, it's actually the best linux once you get tired of the bleeding edge getting blood all over your keyboard

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

pram posted:

the unix philosophy is two things gentlemen. first, its make a program that does one thing well. second is worse is better

this is also a good yosposting philosophy

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Mr Dog posted:

also i found another recent article about the multitudinous ways in which wayland owns

http://community.arm.com/groups/arm-mali-graphics/blog/2014/08/14/mali-x11-vs-wayland-at-siggraph-2014

gnome's wayland support still isn't usable though :(

i don't care how much objectively superior it may be as a technology, I want nothing to do with it. if hitler handed you an amazing new video stack, would you use it? of course you wouldn't, because new things are bad.

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

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Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
javascript X11 is pretty much the one good use of javascript ever

can't wait for it to reach the point where i can run gnome3 in the browser

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

BobHoward posted:

(it's the linux version of the tea party in other words)
except mad hatter, not boston

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Gazpacho posted:

what is this, why is someone tagging strings with x to compare them in a bash script

i suppose it might be pulled in from sendmail upstream but i'm not finding it there

it's a cargo-cult practice you'll see a lot in bad scripts. i guess some shell once had a bug where empty variables caused a syntax error even if you quoted them or something? in any case it's unnecessary in that instance and whoever wrote that did not understand why they were doing it any more than you did.

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Suspicious Dish posted:

It's more to prevent against input like DAEMON="-n" breaking the script.

oh yes, i knew there was a better reason (and the fact that that gotcha had escaped my memory is a perfect illustration of why i've been trying to persuade people that, no, they really should be using at least perl or python or something, for the love of god please stop writing important things in ksh)

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

lol at describing aix or hp-ux in the present tense
yeah ..... lol


I'm just gonna sit here and sob gently ok

(actually I think we're finally going to retire the last hpux server next year. rip bespoke database embodying the finest principles of early 1980s design)

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Greed is eternal posted:

btw nerds, should I be using KDE or GNOME nowadays?
i recommend you build your own desktop environment by picking a good window manager like fvwm2 or openbox and then adding things like a panel and applets to taste (xfce's panel is quite good). tie it all together with a simple ~/.xinitrc and you're set!

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

bobbilljim posted:

probably recommends arch linux for everyday use also

debian actually, arch is poo poo

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Mr Dog posted:

won't have to wait a year for the latest gnome or w/e to be usable either

you could have chosen a better example there

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

ShadowHawk posted:

If you're not using the LTSes this is kinda true.
it's literally true. it's the reason I stopped using ubuntu years ago, after they deliberately shipped broken video drivers because the alternative was either delaying the release slightly or leaving out some other feature that required the new broken beta drivers.

(anecdote may be inaccurate because gently caress looking up the details)

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
I have a sun keyboard with separate alt and meta keys. it's basically impossible to get linux to recognise them though because some fucker broke xmodmap and the "replacement", xkbset, is cadt bullshit and only supports a handful of predetermined configurations

i expect it's theoretically possible to add more but lol if you think anything written since 1994 is ever going to be adequately documented

so linux calls the meta key super now and it annoys the gently caress out of me for a few minutes every time I notice and then I get over it

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

in theory this should work but they stopped selling Sun systems/keyboards/whatever in 2005. nobody can stop bitrot in Xorg stuff :(
that's why xmodmap was nice: i didn't need to rely on someone janitoring a huge tree containing hundreds of inscrutable config files for every type of hardware ever. if a key was doing the wrong thing, i could just xev to find out what was doing what and then write a simple file that would change things around as required. 5 minutes work, using a single flat file format clearly documented in the utility's manpage, requiring no special permissions, and touching nothing outside my home directory.

it was good :(

e: also pretty sure the type 7 was almost identical to the type 6 usb, from the point of view of the os, and they only discontinued that model about a year ago.

Soricidus fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Nov 5, 2014

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
no. the central configuration was always there. what xmodmap did was to empower the user to fix things themselves if they wanted to.

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

pram posted:

because it has the newest gnome 3 in pacman ffs can you read

that's like moving to sierra leone because they have the newest ebola

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
since there's a tangential link to systemd, i'm gonna blame poettering again. debian and linux in general were doing just fine before he came along with his dumb ideas like "hurf durf what if we tried to make this into an os normal people would want to use"

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
if you want a linux that's the same as it was last time you installed a linux, try debian or slackware

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

keyvin posted:

If you run Linux on a desktop and aren't in the third world: Why? Is it to pretend that it is still 1985?
no, actually





it's to pretend that it's still 1995

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Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Silver Alicorn posted:

ok I'm bored w/ desktop linux already. only game I could get working was Europa Universalis IV

annnnnd this is why people dual-boot

linux for getting productive work done efficiently, and windows for playing games and other wastes of time

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