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Ur Getting Fatter posted:installed the linux don't install 3rd party drivers
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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:install osx brew is poo poo soup
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Mar 20, 2014 19:36
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Greed is eternal posted:install windows cygwin is also poo poo soup but for totally different reasons
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Mar 20, 2014 19:58
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there are still several linux magazines published in tyool 2014 because linux users will actually pay money for poo poo to help them do their jobs better
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Mar 20, 2014 21:41
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:yes I tried to activate filthy closed source drivers and the linux gods punished me nouveau actually works now so use that unless you want to play videogames. but nobody plays videogames on linux. so use the open source drivers
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Mar 20, 2014 21:42
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Sweevo posted:its hilarious the way they still try to make out that linux is some sort of "windows killer". that issue is from 2000, when people actually believed that for some reason
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Mar 20, 2014 22:29
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pointsofdata posted:whats up with iceweasel mozilla is a dick about trademarks
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Mar 20, 2014 22:29
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packages are really bad and dumb and still somehow far and away the best way to do anything. rpm and deb and pacman and whatever other flavor of the week bullshit you're using are all fundamentally very similar to svr4 packaging from 1990. this is not an accident. no one has had any good ideas since then
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Mar 21, 2014 15:55
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this is a genuinely new idea on packaging but i am not at all certain it is a good one. in fact i am pretty sure it is crap. but it's fascinating and y'all should read it http://www.andres-loeh.de/NixOS.pdf
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Mar 21, 2014 15:57
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Suspicious Dish posted:Half the fun is figuring out who will get the next batch of death threats! We actually have an internal betting pool about which project will blow up next. gnome 3 is terrible and you should transfer to a team where your work is meaningful to other people, e.g. actual users in the field and not hypothetical grandmas who love "activities"
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Mar 21, 2014 15:58
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Suspicious Dish posted:NixOS was an inspiration for OSTree. this is very cool
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Mar 21, 2014 16:08
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quote:I sometimes describe OSTree as being even more rigorous than traditional dpkg/rpm type package systems. Now, there are some of you out there who probably can’t imagine how that’s possible. You found packaging so tedious and painful that you gave up, and you now write Go code (because Google wrote it, it must be good, right?) and you hack on your MacBook from a coffee shop, and when you’re ready scp your statically linked binary to staging and then to production. Maybe you don’t even have staging. It’s so simple! Look how fast it is! this is my current boss and also nearly every person i ever worked with at a startup
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Mar 21, 2014 16:09
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the /etc and /usr/etc distinction is valuable and should have been done long ago in conventional package systems
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Mar 21, 2014 16:52
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spankmeister posted:I loving hate that kind of poo poo. I just want to have to look in one file, now it's two because it's "site specific"? gently caress that noise, 1 passwd file is absolutely fine. files make bad databases, merging them is a pain in the rear end if you ever need to edit config files from a script, and you don't use augeas, i will come to your home and damage your personal property
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Mar 21, 2014 16:53
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Shaggar posted:the Linux filesystem layout is stupid yeah %SYSTEMROOT%/system32 makes way more sense than /bin, i'm glad microsoft cleared that up for all of us
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Mar 21, 2014 16:54
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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:linux is the bitcoin of the 90s it really was. people were super-excited about linux desktops killing off windows. meanwhile, linux actually did kill off commercial unix. just fuckin steamrolled it. for some reason, this did not make a lot of magazine covers.
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Mar 21, 2014 16:59
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The Management posted:windows 95 was entirely unusable with 4 MB of ram. 8 was a thrashfest, 16 was the point where it could actually switch between multiple programs without waiting 5 minutes yeah he was conflating two eras. there was legitimate competition between unix workstations and windows in the like 1990-1995 time frame. for $5k you could buy a pc that ran windows 3.0 and loving flew, just an insanely fast system with great responsiveness. for the same $5k, you could buy a unix desktop with literally 5x the CPU power. and it would take a half hour to boot. and another half hour to load a word processor. and 60 seconds every time you alt-tabbed. unix didn't win
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Mar 21, 2014 18:31
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Suspicious Dish posted:Windows 95 was a great operating system, developed by a talented crew who had a really good idea for good user interface design. Suspicious Dish posted:And this is the part where Notorious B.S.D takes the bait to tell me how much GNOME 3 sucks. no, i am pretty sure you figured out the cruel irony for yourself i guess i still gotta spell it out for everyone else: praising windows 95 and quoting the old new thing while actively working on a desktop that defies user expectations and omits critical features from windows 95 is pretty loving lol
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Mar 21, 2014 18:32
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Suspicious Dish posted:I've asked you many times what you think is wrong with GNOME 3 and you've never been able to give me any feedback. I've actually gotten more useful feedback from Shaggar. where's the taskbar? where is the fd.o notification area? you know, those win95 metaphors that were tailored to users and not to someone's platonic ideal of god knows what
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Mar 21, 2014 19:17
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the other reason i don't comment very much on gnome 3's concrete failures is that i no longer give a poo poo. the birthing process was so god drat ugly that there's very little reason to revisit old decisions. i don't have a list of all the reasons it was bad, but it was so loving terrible it drove me away from software i had been using for a decade i abandoned the platform entirely. there is exactly one gtk app i still use, and it's gtk2. this is true of everyone else i know, and go figure, as an old timey unix systems guy i know a lot of fuckin unix desktop users. they're not on gnome anymore edit: oh yeah i forgot to mention. someone closed the bug i was interested in for gtk3. i don't know if they actually fixed it, but they closed it, deciding it was no longer relevant. four years to maybe-fix a bug ain't bad, right? (i am not going to install a gtk3 application in order to find out if it's fixed.) Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Mar 21, 2014 19:20
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Suspicious Dish posted:I was praising Windows 95 for its adherence to a user research methodology rather than sticking to some dogma about what worked in the past. i admire your parsimony but it's not helpful here unfortunately it's no longer 1995, and there is now a userbase of literal billions of people who expect things to work in a certain way. you're not working on fresh canvas and you don't have hundreds of millions to spend on an ad campaign
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Mar 21, 2014 19:25
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infernal machines posted:most of the old timey unix guys i've met are loving awful. i know at least two guys who fit this description perfectly
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Mar 21, 2014 19:27
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Suspicious Dish posted:I'm sure exactly 0 people use OS X, iOS or Android because it does not work the way Windows does. osx ui is also loving terrible but they have lots of money to convince people it's not. it amazes me anyone can put up with that bullshit for more than an hour
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Mar 21, 2014 19:29
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Suspicious Dish posted:Window managers are hell for many reasons, but I'm curious: what features from Windows or otherwise would you like in our window manager? I'm doing a large-scale refactoring of our WM this cycle to clean up the Wayland support, so features will be quicker to add.
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Mar 21, 2014 20:52
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oval office AND PASTE posted:stop using tabs, use individual instances, spread them across workspaces (relevant to whatever you're working on in that space) gently caress you my workflow is what matters. i give zero shits about how ~*~ elegant ~*~ the design is, or how much your grandma liked it in the lab. unless it is immediately and obviously better* than what I'm doing, it's poo poo and you can go gently caress yourself * it will never, ever be immediate or obvious. so here's another way to put it: never break my workflow.
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Mar 21, 2014 20:54
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Suspicious Dish posted:No, I'm not going to give you a custom scripting language so you can determine what windows are in what taskbars on what workspaces. Or, if I am going to give you a scripting language for that, it will be JavaScript. kde 4 retains all of the features i just named. none of them require you to edit a config file or write a script, they are just in adv prefs dialogues. because kde, to some extent, still cares about its actual users, the beardlord scientists and engineers. as opposed to the hypothetical casual users chased by unity and gnome. these people do not exist and i do not care about focus groups made from not-actual-users
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Mar 21, 2014 23:04
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oval office AND PASTE posted:"hi i'd like to try a new desktop environment, wait, what do you mean it's different" i never wanted to try a new environment, ever gnome abruptly turned into a new environment without asking me
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Mar 21, 2014 23:05
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oval office AND PASTE posted:here's a quick path back to 1997 for you: apt-get install mate or i can use kde and have both new features and continuity with the past
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Mar 22, 2014 01:51
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Suspicious Dish posted:OK. Software moves on and newer versions are released. You can keep using GNOME 2, you just won't get updates. In the same way you can keep using Windows XP, you just won't get updates. software is a living document, and an end to updates is a lingering death. nobody does new buildouts on windows xp, or advocates its use to their network, or builds new applications for xp-specific APIs. here's the reason i continue to engage, suspicious dish: you seem like a smart guy who cares about the outcomes when you release software to users. your efforts are wasted on the "desktop experience" team. i hope you find work that is more meaningful for both you and the wider world. work that builds value for users, instead of confronting them with problems.
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Mar 22, 2014 01:54
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infernal machines posted:yes, but unfortunately you'd be using kde. i don't really care for the default carbon on black set against black embedded in infinite transparent darkness, no. i'm just way too lazy to figure out theming
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Mar 22, 2014 02:00
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idk how hard it is to theme kde to be unoffensive. it is probably worth it
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Mar 22, 2014 02:47
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Symbolic Butt posted:ok I installed ubuntu gnome today so I can take a look at gnome 3, first thing I look at these updates after I just installed it and ubuntu is loving terrible. you could literally not have done worse. as much as i hate gnome 3, i am pretty sure you did not give it a fair shake
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Mar 22, 2014 04:16
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Symbolic Butt posted:*sigh* ok tomorrow I'll try fedora geez just as a reminder. good linux, like people actually use to make money and not be laughed at:
middlin' linux, like beardos like on their desktops:
crap linux is everything else. ubuntu earns a special place in hell though. it is literally the worst of the worst. it's a bait-and-switch, they promise you one thing and you get another. at least gentoo and arch are exactly what they claim to be
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Mar 22, 2014 04:30
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infernal machines posted:so basically you're hosed, you can't make a consistent DE because the distos can just break it with whatever hackjob they decide to ship no, it works fine on every sane linux ubuntu is just dogshit in a pressure cooker. you literally cannot find a worse distribution. it is a clusterfuck in every way, from every angle think about this: i was just put in the position of defending gtk 3
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Mar 22, 2014 04:31
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Symbolic Butt posted:I've been using ubuntu and debian exclusively for idk how long. in my home mostly ubuntu with awesomewm because I didn't care really. like infernal machines said, I never dist-upgrade lol ubuntu is broken the moment you enable universe/multiverse. the non-canonical repos are a shitshow of unpatched and/or hilariously broken "community" packages that replace debian packages at random. of course, all the software people actually want to use is in those known-bad repos result: as a ubuntu user, your system is riddled with security holes and breakage from day one.
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Mar 22, 2014 15:58
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"long term support" is a laughable idea in a distribution where 95% of the packages are permanently unsupported and six months old on release day
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Mar 22, 2014 15:59
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oh yeah, the best part, i almost forgot: universe/multiverse are enabled by default ubuntu is broken and unsupportable out of the box
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Mar 22, 2014 16:01
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ShadowHawk posted:The second exception is the pulseaudio patches I apply to Wine. This is a fairly significant change. Upstream does not believe in them and has been doing a sound rework for years and years and it still doesn't work as a native pulse backend, which is absolutely needed by some users I've met firsthand (and generally appreciated by all users, somewhat regular complaints about wine sound dropping have basically disappeared since I did this move). yeah this is the kind of thing i'm talking about when i say the community repos are full of random bullshit
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Mar 22, 2014 21:28
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Suspicious Dish posted:Ah, cool. The last time I fiddled around with winetricks was 2009 or so. context is important. when red hat does something funny to upstream, whatever red hat is doing is now the standard. when some fuckwit with a launchpad.net account does something funny, it's just another way ubuntu is broken.
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Suspicious Dish posted:http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/wine.git/tree/wine-pulse-1.7.11.patch yep. gee it's funny how being the only vendor who matters vs a bored hobbyist changes the context!
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