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if red hat does it, it doesn't matter if it's stupid, the whole world is gonna have to pick it up anyway see also: systemd, gnome3
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oval office AND PASTE posted:the community is the worst, even if you've done literally all you can do they will still find a way to poo poo on you and tell you how much you suck for not being able to figure it out yourself the centos community is basically the inverse. the people who answer questions are great. the askers are the worst WHEN IS THE NEW RELEASE OUT? IS THE RELEASE OUT? UGH WHY ARE THEY SO SLOW, WHEN IS THE RELEASE OUT?!!!
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Suspicious Dish posted:It's a valid question. it's a valid question for someone, but probably not the community support channels
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oval office AND PASTE posted:gentoo: literally compile everything from scratch i reject the false equivalence that makes ubuntu respectable arch, gentoo, and mint are all non-enterprise shitsack distributions, but they dont deserve to be grouped with ubuntu. broken out of the box, for three years at a time. LONG TERM SUPPORT
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screenshots are the primary use for a linux desktop also the primary use of linux productivity apps. gotta screenshot the fact that you are able to open an office document / pdf
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the desktop wars are over, kde won
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Suspicious Dish posted:Yeah. Think of a typical Linux engineer. Opinionated, has a long beard, loves using "Crapple" and "Micro$oft". "GREEN IS MY PEPPER" is the best joke the world has ever heard. tbf even in the "good old days" i am pretty sure this is what Sun looked like, too you can't have unix without beardos (if you try, you end up with osx. nobody deserves that)
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Mar 27, 2014 21:36
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ShadowHawk posted:Instead, everyone with upload rights is just a developer and can upload any package to Universe or to Main+Universe. wow congrats you just showed me ubuntu was worse than i thought
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Suspicious Dish posted:... And that's exactly why I'm here at the west coast summit. Lennart, Kay, Greg, and a bunch of other hackers are here and we're discussing Wayland and kdbus and app bundles and sandboxing. like most red hat things, the red hat conference owns i had a pretty good attendance streak but moving it to the west coast made it too inconvenient this year
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Mr Dog posted:why is docker a thing afaict docker is embraced exclusively by people who don't understand
not coincidentally, this is the exclusive audience for ubuntu.
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docker is solving a problem i've never had: "gee, i feel like i know too much about what's in production. would it be possible to make all applications opaque containers?" even the metaphor is broken we ship cargo in interchangable opaque containers because we assume the sender is non-malicious and the containers will spend their time isolated on a container ship or behind walls in port facilities application lifecycles don't really work that way
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Suspicious Dish posted:Docker allows you to run multiple Apache instances on one machine, without a full virt stack. That's a good thing why is this a good thing? how do i patch it? how do i know when it needs to be patched?
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i'm old enough to have done this "containers without virtualization!!!" thing several times now technologies i have known and hated to varying extents:
afaict, lxc and docker are less capable than three of the things on this list, in that i can't even rely on the host to audit and patch the guests being worse than bad technology that has been abandoned by the industry isn't a good start. you have to make a case around how docker is different from all the (extremely similar) things that have come and gone
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it does not sound like you're very familiar with zones or jails.
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Suspicious Dish posted:Your dockerfiles are all inherited from the same upstream. When your upstream pushes an update to its dockerfile, you can rebase on top of it. It's not different from the package model. so i have to trust upstream OS images to do all patching, re-base, and re-deploy? that sounds awful but it beats the hell out of what I was expecting (absolutely nothing, because this is never mentioned on intro pages, and gently caress, anyone who uses ubuntu doesn't pay attention to support policies anyway)
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suspicious dish is too smart to be suckered easily, so i was driven to investigate docker its a shitshow but people are at least starting to talk about openstack integration and poo poo that could matter to non-startup-dipshits. moved from "utter bullshit" column to "pile of miserable techie wank" column in my head. also known as "poo poo to watch"
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politics are the point of debian its a real democracy with hundreds of committees. democracy is ugly. the products are not.
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Suspicious Dish posted:Debian tech committee members "should" go jump off a bridge, tia i just try not to look at how the sausage is made
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Progressive JPEG posted:also debian is good
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Reading a debian mailing list will make any reasonable person cry, roll his eyes or fall asleep. That's ok. That's just how decisions have to be hashed out, if you're going to do it democratically and in public. There is no benevolent dictator. Random dudes with commit perms cannot determine policy quietly behind the scenes People think about poo poo, talk about poo poo, fish mech the gently caress out of every little thing and hopefully reach consensus
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May 5, 2014 05:30
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Suspicious Dish posted:Why do you think slow, tired consensus is the best way to build working software? Debian is an institution that collates, documents, and distributes software. It's very, uh, institutional. By design. Actually writing the software is probably better done elsewhere
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ShadowHawk posted:I spent quite a long time trying to get into Debian "official" but there was already a (bad) maintainer and I just sorta gave up on it. Ubuntu then started to exist and I got welcomed with open arms. There's a reason Ubuntu's Wine packages are well maintained and Debian's aren't. It's just a lot simpler and nicer to contribute to Ubuntu, and we get poo poo done. debian's wine maintainer conformed to policy and paid attention to mailing lists. you ignored all that inconvenient stuff and poo poo out totally monolithic packages with a thousand dependencies. shocking that they did not welcome you with open arms
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it's ok to hate the process. it's not ok to pretend there is no process because you hate it
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Suspicious Dish posted:But ShadowHawk shipped working software, and the Debian Wine maintainer did not. they did, and do, ship just not as fast as shadowhawk may have liked
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api call girl posted:Sounds like the appropriate result was achieved here tbqh
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ShadowHawk posted:Debian's Wine maintainer shipped a broken package split into dozens of chunks
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saucepanman posted:ubuntu 14.04 somehow gives me worse battery life than win 8.1, even with the cpu priority set to powersaving stop using ubuntu good choices: fedora, debian middlin' choices: centOS bad choices: arch loving lol you moron: ubuntu
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ShadowHawk posted:As someone who spends about 90% of his development time cleaning up Debian-inherited messes, I seriously don't understand the endorsement for it that keeps getting cargo-culted around here. The whole point of Ubuntu was to polish up Debian and release it on a regular basis, and it still does that. what you call "mess" I call "policy". you poo poo out half baked non-compliant packages for a hobby. once, for a few months, a startup paid you for this dubious service. you, and people like you, are the problem with ubuntu, shadowhawk. gently caress the community repos. seriously. such a loving cesspool. ubuntu: if it isn't broken out of the box, there's a community package to break it later
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p.s. shipping 6-month-old debian unstable doesn't count as "releasing" anything. it's already old and broken on day one, because debian's rolling release has been progressing while ubuntu faffs about with ad-supported desktops
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scroogle nmaps posted:i think youre expecting ubuntu to be freebsd freebsd is plagued by a similar problem. only the core system is stable or supported. the "ports" system has historically been a casual, anything-goes playground. (maybe it has changed, i wouldn't know: I last saw a freebsd system "in the wild" in '06. and i was replacing it with linux even then.) canonical supports a ubuntu core with a handful of items, and then you rely on basement-dwelling pocky-chewing dipshits with no guidance to cooperate enough to patch and package the other 40,000 packages
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Broken Machine posted:They've completely reworked the ports / packages on freebsd recently, and it works rather well. You don't have to build much at all and everything is signed. Most anything is just pkg add ____ and you're good. ok so if you can get a time machine back to 1997 that will really help
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Broken Machine posted:It's more full featured than I'm describing, but as with many things I just want it to work without messing with it much and it provides that. It's easy to update and solid, it'll tell me exactly which packages need to be patched and you can configure it for whatever. Mostly I don't like spending time janitoring computers and bsd lets me do that. If you want to track current you can download the head from svn as well. i don't doubt any of it. it's just totally irrelevant. non-linux unix is dead. for me, that was a painful realization, and a long time coming, but there you have it. no amount of wishing or hoping or praise will bring back freebsd and solaris Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 22:39 on May 19, 2014 |
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ahmeni posted:ShadowHawk Was Right the key thing is that if you don't like a standard, you don't just poo poo out a substandard package, upload it, and call it a day. you have to, you know, convince other people it's a good idea and discuss it in appropriate venues and fix the standard ubuntu's community repos mop up all the people too stupid or obstinate to meet the (minimal) qualifications to upload to debian idiots who just can't work with others
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ShadowHawk posted:Or I could, you know, spend my time actually writing software and publishing it in a place with smarter organizational structure. lol what software do you write
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May 20, 2014 03:43
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you're a community contributor to ubuntu. you're a "member" only in the sense that anyone with an e-mail address can sign up for launchpad.
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ShadowHawk posted:yeah I didn't want to believe that packaging, integration, configuration, and Ubuntu development was software engineering either so it's like being a programmer except you gently caress with shell scripts all day i.e. you are an unpaid hobbyist ops guy with no responsibilities
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Awia posted:oh i wish i did this uhh isn't 8 unsupported now that 11 is out?
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Mr Dog posted:Release annoucement for a new GTK+ feature turns into an utterly irrelevant 100-post spergfight this is why lwn owns
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