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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i got one of those 2-in-1 tablet laptops and despite all the talk about tablet support, gnome is loving garbage on it hmm, it actually looks like it owns a bunch. watch: http://www.gnome.org/press/2014/09/gnome-3-14-released-a-refined-experience/ Notorious b.s.d. posted:i can't even figure out how to get an onscreen keyboard settings > universal access > set "Screen Keyboard" to on if you want to turn it on and off without having to drill into the settings menu, set "Always Show Universal Access Menu" to on
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Rahu posted:The best part about gnome 3.14 is the new default gtk theme. it was already really good i'm really liking the new animations, they're subtle (ok the Applications menu one isn't but the rest are), and somehow despite them, the shell runs even faster than before
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i don't get the hate. it's a completely different way to work and if you give yourself some time to shed some dumb old habits, the workspaces-as-tasks thing is really really great and using anything else becomes a chore. i had two monitors and reduced back down to one because workspaces are that great
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i put ubuntu gnome on mine and it doesn't recognize the touchscreen and the five minutes i spent googling it, nobody else know how to get it going either which is weird because it Just Worked with ubuntu 12.04 out of the box
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:gnome 3.14 trip report -- it sucks. if this had been 3.00 beta release #1, this would be ok. but it's the eighth stable release after three years, and tons of poo poo doesn't work actually its really good Notorious b.s.d. posted:backstory: i bought one of those windows 8 convertible laptop/tablet doohickeys. in "tablet" mode it has a windows key, a volume up, and a volume down, and that's it. same except work provided Notorious b.s.d. posted:upgrading to gnome 3.14 gets me the onscreen keyboard automatically in most of the right places most of the time. but only in gtk 3 applications. if you want to run an application that isn't gnome 3 native, you are screwed. notably firefox and chrome are not gtk3 lol why would you use non-gtk3 software Notorious b.s.d. posted:if the automatic launch isn't working, there is no way to manually launch the on-screen keyboard w/out having a keyboard already. you have to bind a keyboard shortcut to open it. i said, "ok, that's dumb, but ok" and attempted to bind it to the windows key. no dice. gnome 3 will not allow you to use a modifier key as a keybinding alone. system settings > universal access > set screen keyboard to on. or, set "always show universal access menu" to on and then its right there with the indicators but again it works fine for gtk3 apps and why would you ever use desktop linux with non-gtk3 apps Notorious b.s.d. posted:so i decided to give up on actual good web browsers and try the shitbucket that comes with gnome 3: epiphany. to my delight, epiphany does in fact support autoloading the on-screen keyboard like other gnome 3 native apps. unfortunately typing into the url bar immediately breaks because the autocomplete box pops up over top of the on-screen keyboard cool so did you submit a bug or are you just going to bitch about it here epiphany is surprisingly good and the "save as web application" feature is a really great way to app-ify twitter, facebook and other web garbage Notorious b.s.d. posted:it is rough around the edges even by open sores standards. basic features do not work, the things that do work do not work consistently (i often clicked in a text field and got no keyboard, only to repeat and get the keyboard back) its actually really great, the theme is heavily improved, and the already good performance is even better. i can even switch workspaces and activate the overview while running a fullscreen steam game year of the linux desktop has arrived
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Oct 19, 2014 23:48
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it's obviously dogshit for idiots on my desktop with a 27" monitor and gobs of screenspace, none of the ui metaphors work when your mouse has to cross two feet to hit a 'hot corner' or whatever. have you heard of the super key when you want to launch something, your hands are already on the keyboard because you're about the type the app name into the search box, so press the super key when you want to app/workspace switch through the overview, your one hand is on the keyboard and your other is on the mouse, you can do either the hot corner bump or the super key but okay forget all that, i'm on a 24" monitor at 1080p and even from the complete opposite corner of the screen, getting to the overview with the mouse is as difficult as a slightly exaggerated flick of the wrist basically you're a "power user" and all of this  my workflow crybaby poo poo isn't impressing anyone
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Oct 19, 2014 23:58
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lol linux yosposters pretending they know better than shell designers
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:yeah the problem is that apparently i do know better Fig. 1, Users are idiots.
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ZShakespeare posted:I was thinking of maybe possibly trying gnome 3 again but this thread has warned me off of it thanks yospos. why wait, you can install windows vista now eschaton posted:haiku ships a web browser and it actually works epiphany is webkit and its UI design is so good apple stole it for the new safari so what exactly is the problem
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Oct 20, 2014 23:03
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Ludwig van Halen posted:gnome 3 was really bad. windows dont even have a minimize button wtf where exactly would you like your windows to minimize to if you didn't think that far, it sounds like maybe you didn't really give it a chance
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Oct 21, 2014 06:43
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"just use mate, because the desktop paradigm peaked circa 1997" - yospos, unironically
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Oct 22, 2014 07:21
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pretend that i posted that gif of the guy in the car and he looks at you like 'what lol' as he pulls away except its me in the car and the car is gnome-shell
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Oct 22, 2014 07:27
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keyvin posted:I was going to put something funny after a *, but gnome 3 sucks so badly its the joke in and of itself. actually, its good
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i saw KDE 5 and its still just windows vista with a homemade theme on it
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mate is XP where someone has pinned a quick access to disks and control panel on the taskbar everyone i know who is an old dad had their XP like this so its really like the daddest XP
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Oct 23, 2014 21:54
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cinnamon is also vista but with a bad virtual desktop thing tacked on and the designer apparently says 'ok, everything gnome 3 does, we will just do the exact opposite' so instead of dynamic workspaces you have to spend clicks manually creating and destroying them, and instead of being stacked vertically, they're horizontal
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Oct 23, 2014 21:56
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all these desktops still have the microsoft-style ghetto of misfit programs permanently living in the notification area
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the mystery of the window controls what is supposed to happen when you click the minimize button on a window? should the window minimize to the taskbar? should the window minimize to the notification area? what is supposed to happen when you click the close button on a window? should the program terminate? should it minimize to the taskbar? should it hide in the notification area? or are you really closing the abstraction of something (a settings control page) without actually terminating the program (a system daemon, say, antivirus)? whatever, it's just easier to call people "computer illiterate" when they ask these questions
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the lie that users expect that kind of behavior because they're used to it is false sit any user down at windows, osx, kde, cinnamon, xfce.. they will be equally confused
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Oct 23, 2014 22:44
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minimizing things to the taskbar is useful for de-cluttering your view but what exactly is the value of the taskbar/minimizing windows paradigm when you have workspaces? what is supposed to happen when you restore a window from the taskbar but aren't looking at the workspace where that window entered the minimized state?
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you would think linux users would be the first ones to rally around a linux-focused project that made a real, honest attempt at fixing these problems "you're taking the power away from users" "this breaks my workflow" "its garbage kill yourselves" etc lol ok
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Suspicious Dish posted:Finally, someone understands the GNOME 3 design goal. unironically agree people will adapt, you just have to be the change you want to be, don't worry about the "power users" because people will eventually see how your way is better how can you move forward if you coddle every idiot that whines about their ugly transparent terminals
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i'm sorry but "hotcorners are bad and i have to move my mouse a little more than i'm used to" is not the UX breaker that "one button has multiple behaviors and we just tolerate it because thats what users expect lol"
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yospos really needs a UI discussion thread because these problems are in no way specific to linux
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bobbilljim posted:for real i had to do an assignment on a mac once and I couldnt understand why it didnt terminate when I pressed the red x in teh corner of the window ~my workflow~
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ZShakespeare posted:here's a hint, unless you are designing an interface for a device called "iPad" or falls into the category of "phone" it shouldn't ape those interfaces for no loving reason. no one wants or uses touch screens cool, i don't know what you're railing about but it certainly isn't gnome 3 ZShakespeare posted:maybe the next time you break the desktop paradigm try replacing it with something better rather than just breaking it because it's old. okay but it's already broken which i think i made pretty clear maybe you should read those posts i made
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see yall next week for "browser tabs are for idiot children"
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power botton posted:cunty just know that you were the reason i tried gnome 3 and i love it and it has made my life better in immeasurable ways <3
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:not even you actually believe this have you never shown your mother or a grandparent a computer and had to answer questions like "now where did this go" no one has ever whipped out a notebook and written down literally everything you did as you did it
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nevermind, we all know you haven't left the basement to visit family in years
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:my grandfather used linux on the desktop in his late 80s, circa 2000? 2001? hmm yes that's completely relevant to my point about new computer users with no past experience (if you don't understand why this is more important than retraining some old hats, well, you probably don't have a very good grasp on what's happening in the job market in america) Notorious b.s.d. posted:it may surprise you that retraining costs are minimized when you don't go out of your way to defy every user expectation you could teach someone how to get around gnome well enough in about an hour, whether they touched a computer before or not. how long would it take you to train someone to use windows? kde? lol
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gnome 3 is seriously the only desktop worth talking about, everything else is stale terrible kitchen-sink garbage (KDE), or a lovely and unnecessary fork of gnome 3
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:every user only uses 10% of the features. which is to say, each user cares deeply about a different 10% subset of available features. that's funny, iOS users don't seem to have Stockholm Syndrome about apps minimizing to the notification area where they didn't belong in the first place CUNT AND PASTE fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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Soricidus posted:it's literally true. it's the reason I stopped using ubuntu years ago, after they deliberately shipped broken video drivers because the alternative was either delaying the release slightly or leaving out some other feature that required the new broken beta drivers. if you're talking about what i think you're talking about then it was actually about plymouth, the truecolor splash screen thing that still doesn't and probably never will work with proprietary drivers
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Silver Alicorn posted:hey if I were gonna install linux on a spare partition, just for laughs, which one should I use as of today? arch because its the easiest way to get a clean and current gnome desktop up and running
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 Silver Alicorn posted:maybe I'm just curious to see what C&P likes about Arch because I've already used debian/ubuntu/fedora/centos pretty extensively vOv arch is really just a couple little scripts/programs to help you put a basic linux system in place on a machine, and a package manager. arch doesn't gently caress with the software before shipping it out to you. if you install it from the arch repos, it's as if you downloaded the source, extracted/configure/make/make install'd it, but with the benefits of a package manager the aur isn't perfect, but its vastly superior to PPAs and other unofficial repositories. it's difficult to express how good it is. compiling software sucks, but the majority of what's there is mostly supplemental software that only takes a minute to build. everything from old dos shareware games on down to garbage deviantart themes for your desktop are covered in the aur. i don't think there's a distribution out there that can match it in size, quality or freshness. there's no real distro drama to speak of. the wiki is really good. here's a particularly good example. i reference the wiki even when i'm working with other distros. the forums are terrible, though. surprisingly, steam works great on arch. when it was new, there were some games that wouldn't start, but i haven't seen that in months. yes, sometimes poo poo breaks, but it gets posted on the homepage in advance, so just get in the habit of checking the homepage before you run an upgrade and you'll be fine. no changes they've ever forced me to manually commit took more than five minutes to complete. i know everyone's got different levels of commitment to this sort of thing, but i weighed the pros and cons and decided to stick around. the two biggest reasons i stick with arch are 1) how quickly major gnome releases are available and 2) the aur. CUNT AND PASTE fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Nov 11, 2014 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:arch has a lot of problems but that wiki has solved a lot of frustrating laptop hardware kinks for me yeah, my personal laptop has suspend/wake issues under ubuntu. works fine under arch, but i didn't even need to janitor it.
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shitface posted:doesn't attempt to rejig its interface for theoretical lunix compatible touchscreen hardware and software that doesn't loving exist in any serviceable form good point, shitface
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IPvSH6T posted:the only issues ive had with arch recently were when i was first installing it on an EFI machine, which i blame more on the crazed chinese firmware devs not following the spec yeah i had to do a really awful "download the ISO and then create your own USB image and then dd it down to your thumbdrive" thing just to get UEFI going but apparently it was sorted out in the next month's ISO image and Just Works now
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