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| Valentino Rossi |
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13 | 19.40% |
| Jorge Lorenzo |
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13 | 19.40% |
| Dani Pedrosa |
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8 | 11.94% |
| Marc Marquez |
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33 | 49.25% |
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I'm happy for Smith getting a podium, even if it was mostly due to racers ahead of him crashing out. He was literally in tears of joy when BT interviewed him after parking the bike.  Cal must be really beating himself for that crash though. He didn't even have to push it that hard with the lead he had over Lorenzo. And speaking of, what was wrong with Lorenzo that made him slow down that much? e: And did they say what damage Pedrosa's bike suffered that made him quit the race?
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Oct 20, 2014 11:52
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Collateral Damage posted:I'm happy for Smith getting a podium, even if it was mostly due to racers ahead of him crashing out. He was literally in tears of joy when BT interviewed him after parking the bike. Slowing down and !managing the gap is exactly what made Cal and Marc go sliding (tire cooled down). Lorenzo shredded the softer front battling Vale and had no tire left.
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Oct 20, 2014 11:57
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Sucks to see a race decided because of tire problems like that. Especially after the tire clusterfuck that happened there last year. I guess you could argue that it was the riders fault but if there are that many guys tucking/locking the front on the brakes something's wrong.
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Oct 20, 2014 18:30
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Collateral Damage posted:e: And did they say what damage Pedrosa's bike suffered that made him quit the race? Someone's Twitter said his wheel got bent from the impact
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Oct 20, 2014 22:22
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http://motomatters.com/analysis/2014/10/19/2014_phillip_island_sunday_round_up_why_.html Once again, a MotoGP race at Phillip Island is decided by tires. The tires Bridgestone brought to the Australian circuit were not up to the task, with riders crashing out all throughout the race. The front tires Bridgestone brought to the track were unable to cope with the conditions. The result was determined by tires, not by talent. That, at least, is the narrative being heard around the internet after the bizarre yet fascinating MotoGP race at Phillip Island. It is an attractive narrative – a nice, simple explanation for what happened in Australia – but it is fundamentally flawed. The tire situation was complicated, certainly. Jorge Lorenzo's front tire showed very severe degradation, more than would normally be explained by the expect wear. Several riders crashed out on the asymmetric front tire Bridgestone brought. But to lay the blame entirely on Bridgestone is quite wrong.
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Oct 21, 2014 00:51
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Why not? They clearly buggered it last year and its entirely plausible that while improved, they still failed this year.
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Oct 21, 2014 01:18
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Did you read the article? Lorenzo was the only one with a wasted tire. Everyone else dropped it cause of cold tires, a problem they have to deal with everywhere.
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Oct 21, 2014 01:21
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Except Rossi because he's the best rider ever
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Oct 21, 2014 01:56
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I miss Stoner, he was the poo poo. For srs...Stoner v. Marquez is a great BS never-gonna-happen-but-what-if? They have the same style but MM took it to the next level. It would have been so great seeing a milder veteran vs. the nutty rookie. Both of them hitting opposite lock in T3 at PI on Hondas? Cmon. nsaP fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Oct 21, 2014 05:56
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I think Stoner could probably come out of retirement with a beer gut and still stomp everyone at Philip Island on a factory Honda. Even when he was on the Ducati, he might've had a poo poo time at every other track, but he could still finish several seconds faster than anyone else at PI.(At least for the couple seasons I saw him race)
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Oct 21, 2014 06:25
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Slim Pickens posted:I think Stoner could probably come out of retirement with a beer gut and still stomp everyone at Philip Island on a factory Honda. Even when he was on the Ducati, he might've had a poo poo time at every other track, but he could still finish several seconds faster than anyone else at PI.(At least for the couple seasons I saw him race) Something about Australians at Philip Island. Wasn't it in Stoner's final year every class had at least one Australian on the podium?
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Oct 21, 2014 06:28
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Pretty sure it was Sissis, West and Stoner.
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Oct 21, 2014 07:44
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gently caress, Sissis is a name I haven't heard for a while. I could have sworn I heard him mentioned earlier in the year (not performing that well as I remember it), has he been out with injury or something? EDIT: derp, Google FTW. Bummer, Arthur. 
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Oct 21, 2014 11:01
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Pretty sure the Mahindra team dumped him this year because he couldn't cut it, same reason he got dropped from the KTM Ajo team.
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Oct 21, 2014 11:13
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Maybe he will continue to be remembered in the GP paddock on Miller's arse. http://www.jackmiller.com.au/assets/images/Mugello/WEB%201-6-14%2010313765_10152523190251518_4197433669972837255_n.jpg
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Oct 21, 2014 13:33
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Stoner was at Philip Island and got some interview time, he made it pretty clear that he'd never be back (unfortunately). The commentators said after being gone 2 years he'd likely struggle to get back as good as he was, and probably wouldn't want to come back with MM dominating so much. Tire issues suck, but still leaps and bounds better than the season-long tire wars back when there were two manufacturers.
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Oct 24, 2014 02:23
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MM is a very similar rider to Stoner imho but far less temperamental. I think MM would put a few questionable passes on him and he'd be off whining about stomach problems similar to 2008. One of the best things about racing or sport in general is debating whether or not riders from different generations would compete well against each other. I'd say if you use Rossi and Lorenzo as benchmarks, Stoner would be competitive but not necessarily world beating against the current field. I enjoy MM for his style and I think you can see other riders have begun to mimic some of the techniques he uses. Put Casey on the Ducati that Cal was riding at PI and he wins the race, without a doubt.
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Oct 24, 2014 07:55
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moto3 starts in an hour or so edit: er 2 hours...I thought it was 12:00 est nsaP fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Oct 26, 2014 |
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Oct 26, 2014 03:59
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I didn't post the names in case folks haven't watched it yet but look at the finish times of the top 5... Look at that gap between 3rd and 4th... 1 163.1 40'45.523 2 163.0 +2.445 3 162.9 +3.508 4 161.7 +21.234 5 161.7 +22.283
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Oct 26, 2014 15:44
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Thanks for spoiler free, I clicked here not realizing there was a race today.
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Oct 26, 2014 16:54
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Amazing Moto3 race, good MotoGP race, alright Moto2 race - the usual really! Glad at least one of the championships is going to Valencia.
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Oct 26, 2014 18:25
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Fuckin' Jack Miller, he is riding HARD against Alex Marquez the last couple of races. Next race should be a cracker!
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Oct 27, 2014 00:22
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Marquez' team went to Race Direction about him and Kent. Race Direction said "LOL You know who your rider is right?" http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/210233/1/moto3-estrella-protest-against-miller-kent-rejected.html Interesting from the article is: "The second part of the Estrella protest was the accusation that Danny Kent had deliberately slowed down while in front of Marquez at Turn Six on the final lap, causing Marquez to lose contact with the group ahead. “The video does show that at that point the leading three did pull away,” Webb said. “So we reviewed the onboard data logger of Kent's bike. Our independent data technician concluded that Kent did indeed close the throttle at that point. “However he had arrived at the turn faster than on the previous laps, opened the throttle earlier than any other lap and the rear tyre had moved. As the rear tyre started losing traction Kent instinctively closed the throttle to regain traction, then immediately opened the throttle when the tyre was back in line. “So it was a normal mistake while trying to go as fast as you can on used tyres. We are convinced it was not a deliberate attempt to slow down Marquez.” " Even if he did do this on purpose, so what? That's the fuckin' point of racing. I don't understand the complaint.
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Oct 27, 2014 01:08
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Club racing a few years back, the guy who was in second place protested the guy who's in first place front brake reservoir cap as not being stock, as per the (production) rules. This was after he had lost the last race, confirming he would place second. The protest was upheld, lead rider was given a one lap penalty, and the guy who finished second in the race won the championship as a result. Seems like the primary motivation was that he netted himself a pile of cash from his sponsors for snagging the #1 plate. It's pretty much the same thing in MotoGP except times 1000. You protest because there are hundreds of thousands of dollars in sponsorship money now and in the future as a result of if your rider gets first or second. You're racing for 100ths out there on the track, and you better believe if people have a chance to win a world championship based on a cunning protest, they're going to do that. It's win at all costs both on and off the grid, and protests are a huge part of that. Also, protests define what the acceptable behavior is on track, although every year as things get down to the final race they're going to get more and more aggressive as it's not like they can really penalize them on future races. Z3n fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Oct 27, 2014 01:20
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Yeah but my point was that their odd protest seemed to be 'he was racing me'. Of course his team goes for the other on track action.
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Oct 27, 2014 01:27
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nsaP posted:Yeah but my point was that their odd protest seemed to be 'he was racing me'. Of course his team goes for the other on track action. If it's at all questionable (ie, hard racing), then a protest is pretty much as a given.
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Oct 27, 2014 02:01
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How is backing someone up by exiting a turn slowly anything close to hard racing or a violation of some rule?
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Oct 27, 2014 02:21
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nsaP posted:How is backing someone up by exiting a turn slowly anything close to hard racing or a violation of some rule? You're not supposed to ride erratically/slow down randomly to block other riders. Letting off the throttle when you're normally on the gas to slow another rider down isn't allowed. That's why they reviewed the datalogging traces where they discovered his tire spun up and he modulated the throttle to get it back in line to verify he didn't intentionally go slow to block. This is one of those gray areas about racing and what is intentional, especially when it comes to slipstreaming and swerving across track to stop other racers from drafting you.
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Oct 27, 2014 02:27
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Lorenzo visibly did exactly that move a bunch of times in a row in one race last year. Marquez and I dunno who else were right behind him, he was causing all of them to bunch up. I don't recall any protests.
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Oct 27, 2014 03:30
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Yeah I was thinking that someone forgot to tell that rule to all of the riders, ever. MM and Rossi are pretty known for parking it to throw the person behind them off too. Anyway the whole thing is LOL considering Miller was actually pretty fair as compared to how it normally is, and everyone stayed on two wheels. For their team to complain after AM hit Miller and took him out just a few races ago, I mean I understand why they did it, but it's still rich. nsaP fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Oct 27, 2014 03:33
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There's a big difference between entering a corner on a slower entry line to throw off the people behind you, and shutting the throttle off when you're supposed to be pinned - this is what they're talking about with regards to intent on the link. The easiest way to think about it is like this - if you're doing the opposite of what you should be doing at that point in the corner, it's probably protest worthy. Z3n fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Oct 27, 2014 03:38
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At the time I remember thinking it was brilliant. I think it was a championship deciding race, Marcy Marc only had to finish like 5th to win it, and Lorenzo had the pace to win the race but for him to have a chance in the championship, MM would have to crash out or something. So Lorenzo deliberately got in front and held everyone up, apparently in the hopes that all the other guys behind him might interfere with Marc. Eventually it turned out it was causing Lorenzo as many problems as anyone else, so he gave up and rode out ahead full speed, won the race but not the championship.
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Oct 27, 2014 03:39
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Right - that's different though. Running a blocking line and getting everyone to bunch up is good racecraft in that situation. Getting on corner exit and then shutting off the throttle randomly to force the people behind you to swerve/slow down to avoid you is dangerous and lovely.
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Oct 27, 2014 03:42
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Yeah but you make it sound like he shut the throttle halfway down the straight instead of slid a bit on the exit of the turn.
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Oct 27, 2014 03:48
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Is there some footage of the moto3 incident?
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Oct 27, 2014 04:53
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nsaP posted:Yeah but you make it sound like he shut the throttle halfway down the straight instead of slid a bit on the exit of the turn. There's a shitload of trust in racing that the other guy isn't going to do something stupid - a little backing off the throttle might not seem like a big deal, but it's huge when you're a few feet off the guy's rear tire riding as fast as you possibly can. None of those guys retain any significant safety margin out there.
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Oct 27, 2014 05:06
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Yep, and stuff goes wrong all the time. They're called racing incidents or mistakes and no one has ever whined about them.
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Oct 27, 2014 05:14
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nsaP posted:Yep, and stuff goes wrong all the time. They're called racing incidents or mistakes and no one has ever whined about them. It's almost like a body of experts was consulted because this was a legitimate thing to investigate (Z3n) and found that no incident occurred because it was a legitimate reason to roll off the throttle (nasp). Discuss for 10 more posts please. FlerpNerpin fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Oct 27, 2014 08:13
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nsaP posted:Yep, and stuff goes wrong all the time. They're called racing incidents or mistakes and no one has ever whined about them. Actually whining about them is part of the established routine. 
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If I had lots of money I'd buy a fleet of moto3 type bikes and rent a track for a day for me and bunch of cool dudes. They look like so much fun.
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