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Do we still believe that China will follow through with deals it makes in good faith?
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American farmers probably voted overwhelmingly for Trump and now they get to compete with heavily subsidized Salmonella chickens from China But it's okay because the CCP promised full and fair market access for American products and services for the billionth time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD8XxWeD2wc
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May 13, 2017 00:50
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China has been economically stagnant since about 2013 and is fast-tracking its way to irrelevance in the global economy.
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May 13, 2017 01:30
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Tell us more about your theories of racial hierarchy
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May 13, 2017 01:31
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Peven Stan posted:White people bad, poc good Hmm, problematic
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May 13, 2017 01:35
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The only moral imperialism is my imperialism edit: Also did R Guyovich just claim that it's impossible to be imperialist without also being capitalist Even though there are empires of antiquity and "capitalism" in the Marxist sense didn't develop until relatively recently
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May 13, 2017 04:33
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Ardennes posted:Also, China is far from irreverent to the world economy and it doesn't take a Han nationalist to see that. China obviously reached the end of its burst phase of industrial development, right now it is probably most comparable to the Soviet Union sometime in late 1960s/early 1970s. Admittedly, an advantage the Chinese have it their not tied to a single commodity like the Soviets were (oil). It's not irrelevant yet but its irrelevance has been increasing as more and more barriers are erected by the CCP. Case in point: The stock market crashed again last week but nobody outside of China cared
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May 13, 2017 20:24
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Squalid posted:Americans are largely oblivious to whatever China is doing abroad, however I would guess your project is part of the "One belt, one road" plan to increase China's influence around the world. The NYtimes had an article about it the other day. OBOR isn't supposed to extend to the Americas so it wouldn't really be part of that. More likely it's a combination of Chinese firms and individuals trying to acquire non-Chinese assets because the Chinese economy is bad and the general strategy of "Export useless infrastructure projects to keep the state owned industrial giants running."
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May 14, 2017 21:10
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MiddleOne posted:They're trying to decrease their current crippling dependency on the US and the EU so that they can transition into being the independent superpower that they already view themselves as. In Asia this is a rugged battle as everyone knows they're in a tug-of-war between China, India, Japan and the US but with Central America, South Africa and Africa there is less local resistance. Everyone already hates the US thanks to supranational institutions and there's huge need for capital. Propaganda and naive western editorials treat China as an independent superpower or whatever but all it is is a colossal export economy. Reducing their dependency on the US and the EU would require that China basically become a completely different country with a completely different economy and building white elephants in South America isn't going to change that. The CCP is terrified of losing access to the US or EU's markets because at that point it's game over and they know it.
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May 15, 2017 20:10
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:That's why I voted for Trump I don't think it was necessary to vote for Trump for this. The West has already absorbed all the Chinese exports that it can and the willingness and capability to continue to do so is waning even without Trump. That said I'll admit that it was fun to watch the CCP's barely contained panic in the wake of Trump's election.
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May 15, 2017 20:16
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Actually I have it on good authority that all of China's relationships with underdeveloped countries is basically a Maoist era propaganda poster but IRL
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May 16, 2017 22:56
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MiddleOne posted:Then history will repeat itself with them getting into proxy wars with France, the US or whatever local hegemony might arise in the next few decades. This is drastically overestimating China's ability to project power. France in 2017 still has more ability to project power than China does.
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Jun 28, 2017 02:10
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Peven Stan posted:France has a bunch of bases in former colonies to keep on eye on the locals, what a droolworthy measure of power projection France has been fighting ground wars in Africa and the Middle East for the past decade or so. China's ability to project power even into its coastal waters is still limited. Krispy Kareem posted:I'm going to guess it's because France has a nuclear aircraft carrier while China still needs to gas up. It's because France has repeatedly demonstrated the ability to project power while China hasn't.
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Jun 28, 2017 03:32
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stone cold posted:Is it green- and brown-water essentially? China's navy is oriented towards fighting near the Chinese mainland, not for fighting wars across oceans. There has been a lot of hype over the idea of a future "blue water" PLAN but they're still a long way from acquiring the sorts of things that would make adventures as far as Africa possible. They can show the flag right now, but that is very easy to do. This makes sense, because the sorts of conflicts China might feasibly fight would all take place close to home, and in a conflict with another great power China is very easily boxed in by geography and long-range power projection tools wouldn't be particularly useful strategically. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Jun 28, 2017 03:40
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fishmech posted:You're neglecting that France also has the ability to use a bunch of NATO ally bases, beyond just the bases they outright own. This is true. Bases in southern Europe are very helpful for projecting power into northern Africa.
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Jun 28, 2017 03:48
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Potato Salad posted:On the other hand, money. Money gets people to pretend to be your friend.
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Jun 28, 2017 04:24
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Peven Stan posted:I just appreciate the constant pot kettle attacks from smug white liberals in threads about China lollin at Ukraine because this survey was in like 2013 or something (it's each country's majority answer for "who is the greatest threat to peace?")
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Jun 28, 2017 06:11
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Chinese debt hit 300% of GDP as of May.
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Jul 3, 2017 03:39
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fishmech posted:Ehh, "guarenteed". It's not likely the government would actually stand by all of it when push came to shove, and legally they don't have to. It just doesn't count the same as direct state debt. The entire Chinese financial system is based on the implicit guarantee that the CCP won't allow a crash, a significant decline in growth, or any form of instability whatsoever. It's a giant game of chicken. So far they haven't allowed it, and the consequence has been at least a decade of junk and sludge filling up the Chinese economy that the CCP won't allow to be purged because it would cause a financial crisis and a catastrophic decline in growth if they're lucky. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Jul 4, 2017 00:06
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Wong thread.
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Jul 20, 2017 19:55
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