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katlington posted:Imagine 4 spheres of influence on the edge of a cliff.  Majorian posted:So it's hard for me to condemn Hollande too much on taking a couple months to basically put the kibosh on the deal. The guy is politically hosed enough as it is; there was no obvious solution to this problem that wasn't going to gently caress him even more. No matter how unpopular Hollande is he had no business sending those ships to Russia. Ship them off to Cardiff for the NATO summit.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:No matter how unpopular Hollande is he had no business sending those ships to Russia. Ship them off to Cardiff for the NATO summit. Which is why I'm glad he didn't. I'm thinking he was looking for any other way out of just reneging on the deal.
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katlington posted:Imagine 4 spheres of influence on the edge of a cliff. Yeah okay, this one clearly wins.
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Meanwhile, Putin has other things to do besides not have anything to do with the Russian army fighting in Ukraine. http://asbarez.com/126529/putin-approves-treaty-on-armenian-entry-to-eurasian-union/
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Meanwhile, Putin has other things to do besides not have anything to do with the Russian army fighting in Ukraine. That isn't great news to Azerbaijan.
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Discendo Vox posted:Eastern Europe: We know squat This, or Eastern Europe: The Ukraine is Weak Pissflaps posted:Donetsk, Don't Tell ftfy
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:This, or Eastern Europe: The Ukraine is Weak Ukraine is game to you?!
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What is the French public's temperature on the Ukrainian war? I know Germany has a vocal pro-Russian contingent (or at least pro-neutrality while bent on giving Putin every benefit of every doubt), but I'm wondering if France is the same way and if it would really bounce back on Hollande that badly to nix the Mistral deal.
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Elotana posted:What is the French public's temperature on the Ukrainian war? I know Germany has a vocal pro-Russian contingent (or at least pro-neutrality while bent on giving Putin every benefit of every doubt), but I'm wondering if France is the same way and if it would really bounce back on Hollande that badly to nix the Mistral deal. I don't have numbers on-hand, but my understanding is that French opinion on things like sanctions is pretty divided. I don't think pulling the Mistral deal will sway a huge amount of French voters in and of itself, but defense contractors make for powerful enemies. Plus it's never fun for a politician when he or she gets blamed for potentially killing an entire sector of the economy.
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Majorian posted:Ukraine is game to you?! Well played
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Present posted:This map refers to Ukrainian forces as fascists, junta and ethnic cleansing squads. There's no references to the Russian army from my brief skimming. There's a sentence about how a Ukrainian plane was shot down as it was lining up to bomb a factory. Well our choices are between: The "Official" UA map, very colorful but probably the least correct of them all The UA live map, which goes with the "terrorist" lingo, flag waving and so on This map, biased to the russian side instead but where the creator apparently got some info from the seperatists themselves occasionally. Some other even more detailed russian made map but probably less correct too (There is no unbiased map to pick from  )Oh, funny thing but I watched a german documentary of some reporters inbedded with a volunteer battalion from the 24th of August (Cherson battalion?) and one of the Ukrainian soldiers there used a laminated copy of the "official" UA map as his apparent tactical map 
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Sep 4, 2014 05:13
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Eastern Europe: Military Action Without Security Council Authorization
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Sep 4, 2014 05:16
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Eastern Europe: Ukraine? No, Mykraine!
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Sep 4, 2014 05:24
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Eastern Europe: Oh, Donetsk! Where the Vodka Flows Like Blood!
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Eastern Europe: The Islamic State of Donbass and the Luhant. How legitimate is the hashed portion? Have the Totally-Not-VDV made it that far west already?
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Eastern Europe: Putin's Dunkin' Donetsk But seriously gas make new thread these thread titles are getting horrible.
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Pimpmust posted:Oh, funny thing but I watched a german documentary of some reporters inbedded with a volunteer battalion from the 24th of August (Cherson battalion?) and one of the Ukrainian soldiers there used a laminated copy of the "official" UA map as his apparent tactical map https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcqTQ6m6xmg&hl=en&cc_lang_pref=en&cc_load_policy=1
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I like these: Discendo Vox posted:Eastern Europe: The 2014 Tom Clancy Fanfiction Contest Thread katlington posted:Imagine 4 spheres of influence on the edge of a cliff. Lucy Heartfilia posted:Eastern Europe: This is not a thread about Eastern Europe In non-Ukraine news, the Latvian parliamentary elections take place in a month's time and every political party is pretending to be both pro-business and social-democratic at the same time without actually uttering the latter. In comparison to previous elections, there's surprisingly little media coverage, as both the media and the is much more concerned with the security situation. I wish I had the time/indepth knowledge/skill to do an effortpost on the state of affairs, but unfortunately, I can't really do it justice.
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Sergg posted:Eastern Europe: Ukraine? No, Mykraine! This gets 99% of my vote under suspicious circumstances condemned by international monitors!
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Eastern Europe: It is finally cool to be a Reaganite again As far as Latvian elections, it mostly consists of trying to form a workable coalition without ethnically Russian voters? Ardennes fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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Ardennes posted:Eastern Europe: It is finally cool to be a Reaganite again yes, yes, the west is villainously and belligerently violating russia's rightful sphere of influence, point taken.
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dilbertschalter posted:yes, yes, the west is villainously and belligerently violating russia's rightful sphere of influence, point taken. I guess that was an attempt at a strawman, it didn't work so well.
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Ardennes posted:Eastern Europe: It is finally cool to be a Reaganite again No, not necessarily. As I understand it, pretty much every established party is in poor shape, especially the Harmony Centre (aka the major non-nationalist Russian party), which is suffering from an internal struggle within the party itself that's rooted mostly in their poor performance in the EP elections earlier this year and they risk alienating some of their nationalist leaning Russian voters due to that. Considering that, as well as the populists that have sprung up recently, it is much too early to talk about any coalitions at all.
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Perhaps we should have two threads, one related to events in Ukraine and one related to hypothetical poo poo Russia might do in the future.
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I have to say, Obama has great advisors and speech writers and he is extremely charismatic himself. His speech was even praised by Finnish analysts who said it will go down in history as one of the greatest speeches give in this region. EDIT: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/obama-commitment-eastern-europe-russia-nato/379581/ I wish we had more leaders in Europe with balls. OhYeah fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Sep 4, 2014 |
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OhYeah posted:I have to say, Obama has great advisors and speech writers and he is extremely charismatic himself. His speech was even praised by Finnish analysts who said it will go down in history as one of the greatest speeches give in this region. I mean seriously, I've been leading D&D to know the difference between campaign Obama and President Obama, but I don't care. All our politicians are equally disingenous but lack even the slightest shred of charisma. If you're going to gently caress me over, the least you can do is not bore me to tears while doing it. 99% of Finnish politicians look like they're either lecturing a class or lecturing a class and wanting to be anywhere else. quote:I wish we had more leaders in Europe with balls. we have one 
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OhYeah posted:I have to say, Obama has great advisors and speech writers and he is extremely charismatic himself. His speech was even praised by Finnish analysts who said it will go down in history as one of the greatest speeches give in this region. I guess David Frum thinks so.
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Eastern Europe: A game of spheres
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DarkCrawler posted:we have one Reminder that Putin is invading Ukraine because his criminal puppet president failed to adequately oppress them. And when I say criminal, I mean he was literally a violent career criminal who served time in prison before he was president of Ukraine, not to mention his actions WHILE as president.
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How european countries would be affected if Russia would cut off the gas for one, three, six or nine months. http://euobserver.com/economic/125441 
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Sergg posted:Reminder that Putin is invading Ukraine because his criminal puppet president failed to adequately oppress them. Yeah, all of that shady poo poo on plain sight takes some serious brass
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3peat posted:How european countries would be affected if Russia would cut off the gas for one, three, six or nine months. These are always a tad alarmist and misleading. For example, while Finland's gas is 100% imported from Russia, it only accounts for less than 10% of the total energy production.
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Eel hovercraft posted:These are always a tad alarmist and misleading. For example, while Finland's gas is 100% imported from Russia, it only accounts for less than 10% of the total energy production. I would like to invest in European shale fracking operations. 
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Eel hovercraft posted:These are always a tad alarmist and misleading. For example, while Finland's gas is 100% imported from Russia, it only accounts for less than 10% of the total energy production. Yea, I remembered that only after I posted that thing, sorry Anyway, 
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Eel hovercraft posted:These are always a tad alarmist and misleading. For example, while Finland's gas is 100% imported from Russia, it only accounts for less than 10% of the total energy production. Granted, gas supplies and energy production in many ways different things, a reduction in gas may not mean the lights go out but it could very well cause other issues. There was already a very long and tedious discussion about electrical heaters. Anyway those numbers seem about right, although the support in Sweden versus the relative weak support in the US is surprising.
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Article on that new NATO rapid reaction force: https://medium.com/war-is-boring/natos-new-rapid-reaction-force-is-make-believe-b79df44c126d
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Randandal posted:Sweden wtf Hey, they didn't get to be in the last war.
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Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:Article on that new NATO rapid reaction force: quote:There’s another joke. The only reason NATO has stayed together all these decades is that it doesn’t do anything. Its combat operations to date include small contingents in Afghanistan, some trainers in Iraq and a few fighter patrols over the Baltic.
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Yeah, that was a weird article. Like you could find all that out from Wikipedia, how did the author miss it? And small contingents in Afghanistan? Afghanistan has been a bigger, deadlier and longer war then anything Russia has done since its independence. Some singular country contributions are as big or bigger then this whole rapid reaction force would be. Maybe the Georgians would pitch in this too  (of course they won't Jesus Christ)
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