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It's pretty much delusional thinking, based on very, very circumstantial 'evidence' that has been refuted numerous times. Even if there was any link at all between vaccinations and autism, then the vaccination will still be the best bet because we know the diseases the vaccinations are protecting against are lethal, carry an incredibly high risk of mortality and pretty much have been completely eradicated in the Western world thanks to these vaccinations. If it came down to this choice: a) My child dying of an easily preventable disease or b) My child possibly getting autism Then any rational person would prefer the second to the first. As it stands, it's not even a choice because what you're essentially saying is "I don't want my child to die". The anti-vaccination movement is pretty much child abuse, not only of their own children, but every other child out there. These people should be held criminally responsible for any deaths that result thanks to their stance.
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Solkanar512 posted:What sort of background and experience do you have in the biological or medical sciences? Someone in my high school science class once tried the "it's not natural" shtick. The teacher then went into a bit of a rant about how absolutely everything on earth is natural, it being a natural byproduct of the world and universe in which we inhabit (we're not shipping in material from alternate realities as far as I'm aware) or nothing is natural since literally none of it came from Earth to begin with, it being produced in giant chemical reactions in the center of stars. He was, and forever will be, my hero.
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Mar 26, 2014 20:20
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Except the logic doesn't make sense. You have to make the assumption that your child will not catch one of those diseases, based on the fact one of the underlying reasons why their child has not caught that disease is because of an extensive and well-thought-out program of vaccination. Once again, we've largely conquered a problem, and idiots think that there never was a problem. This kind of thinking is dangerous, and is one of the reasons why those diseases are coming back.
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Mar 26, 2014 22:41
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We can bypass the "a lot of people dying of mumps" step by just getting the loving vaccine, though? Not to mention that if these diseases do come back, they may come back in a form that the current vaccine is useless against, meaning all those people who were largely free of those diseases might now start dying en masse again thanks to idiots.
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Mar 26, 2014 23:15
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CottonWolf posted:It's weird to me that you lot get the chickenpox vaccine as part of your childhood set in the US. Is that standard? It's definitely not in the childhood vaccination programme in the UK. Yeah, I don't remember ever getting a vaccine in the UK. I'm pretty sure my sister (who's 14) hasn't had one either. Then again I remember getting chicken pox as a kid and other kids being forced to hang around with me so they could get it aswell. I guess such things are frowned upon these days, and it loving sucked, but I'm glad as hell I got it then and not now when it would really gently caress me up.
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Mar 28, 2014 22:39
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ThirdPartyView posted:He didn't, his father did and he inherited it (he was nearly bankrupt before his father passed away due to constantly failing casino businesses). Speaking of, my uncle worked for Fred Trump for a few years in the late 1950s and early 1960s and said he was pretty good guy but that Donald was, even as a teenager, a complete shitstain. This seems to be a trend. I guess people like Fred actually appreciate the fact they may have to work, whereas their spoiled as poo poo children are so used to everything being there that they never learn that simple value.
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Mar 29, 2014 16:36
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Maluco Marinero posted:To make sure I've got this right, I must destroy my family's sense of security, my ability to be a role model for my kids, my ability to support my wife in caring for those kids, and essentially remodel my entire life. Every single one of these will be hosed if you kids get one of these diseases, anyway. Personally, I'd consider the parent who did whatever they could to safeguard the health of their children to be the morally superior one and greater role model than one who artibrarily puts them, and everyone else at risk out of faulty premises. "Why did my father not do anything to stop me getting this horrible disease?" is a much more difficult question to answer than "Why do my parents not get along anymore?", assuming they'd even be alive to ask it.
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Mar 29, 2014 22:24
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There's a ton of batshit ideas about vaccines. My sister recently got the HPV vaccine at school. My cousin, who is the same age (and at the same school), didn't get it because her father believes that having it is some sort of concession to the fact his little angel might be, gasp, having sex at some point in her life. I'm the sole carer for my sister, so it was kind of a no-brainer for her to get the vaccine, because there's absolutely no good reason why she shouldn't and it could help save her life. I tried to reason with my uncle about it, and he stood firm. Not for any solid medical reason, it was purely an issue of morality. Crazy.
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Mar 30, 2014 16:45
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I know her and she's a sensible girl, so chances are good she's going to get it when she's old enough to not need his consent (or maybe get it on the sly, perhaps). It' still a loving stupid reason for her to not get a vaccine which can help prevent cervical cancer because her father can't imagine her ever having sex (or simply not wanting to think about it)
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Mar 30, 2014 16:54
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LeJackal posted:Is she wearing a promise ring? Does he take her to purity balls? If so, call CPS, this is a symptom of a deeper problem. Nothing like that. I live in the UK, so promise rings/purity balls aren't really a thing here (they may be, but I've only ever heard of them in an American context) He's just a very traditional guy, I guess, and very set in his ways. I guess him being very weird about that kind of thing is vaguely understandable in a certain way, as I did have similar feelings myself, then I just looked back at what I was like when I was a teenager: I was a pretty stupid, naive idiot and I wish someone would have explained certain things to me as ignorance is really the biggest problem. Like I said, I'm the sole carer for my sister, so while I may have feelings of "She's up to all sorts without me knowing!", it's stupid, irrational and the best thing to do is to make sure she's informed enough to make sensible decisions (which she won't always, she's a kid and kids do stupid things, hence going for harm reduction rather than "This must never happen and if it does you're forever screwed" method) I guess I'm the 'cool uncle' now, since I'm really the only person she can talk to as her father is way too conservative about issues surrounding sex and everything associated with it. It's a shame that she has to rely on me being her source of information since she doesn't have that kind of relationship with her father.
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Mar 30, 2014 18:32
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Crain posted:It's weird that people think "getting/giving my child the HPV vaccine is the same as giving them a bunch of condoms" and on top of that they think "Giving my child condoms and teaching them about safe sex is the same as buying them a set of dildos and a membership in a sex club". I guess they just think that if they don't talk about it, it won't happen. I guess a lot of them don't really remember how they were as teenagers, because that kind of thinking literally never works and if it does it's part of a much larger system of repression that extends far beyond things like sex. When I was a teenager, I was really curious about things partly because I was a teenager, and partly because it was so taboo.
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Mar 30, 2014 19:30
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PT6A posted:We're currently dealing with the results of this in Calgary, where we've had two recent measles cases lately. People have been warned about exposure at one high school and two restaurants, and non-vaccinated students are not being permitted to attend the high school in question for a month. Now, if I were a perfectly selfish person, I wouldn't really care. I was vaccinated, because my parents weren't irretrievably loving stupid and I had no contra-indications. However, this is not the case for people who, for whatever reason, can't be vaccinated. It's one thing to gamble with your own life, but it really pisses me off when you gamble with other people's lives. This is pretty much my stance. There are people who genuinely cannot get the vaccines because of health reasons (compromised immune systems and what have you) so their safety is directly tied with the fact that everyone else is vaccinated so the diseases can't get a foothold and effect them. You know, the entire basis of Herd Immunity. Anti-Vaxxers should really be prosecuted as the murderers they are because it's not their lives they're gambling with, for the most part.
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Dux Supremus posted:Don't forget Boko Haram creating a reservoir for it in northern Nigeria because "Westernization is sinful." I think more blatantly and consistently associating the anti-vax movement with fundamentalist terrorists would be a good if hyperbolic way of shaming people into doing what's best for everyone else when education and persuasion fails, especially when the behavior in question actually does pose a public health and security risk. To be honest, anti-vaxxers have probably done more to actually harm Western society than virtually any fundamentalist terrorist.
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Apr 12, 2014 14:10
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To Battle posted:Yeah I figured as much, to be honest I had no idea you could get a doctorate in chiropractic, a DC. I just though it was some dude that can help relieve back pain like a massage therapist like you said above. Though to be honest I'm not surprised with all the new age nonsense. Job training. It's likely the first time he's ever gotten the opportunity to study the spine in his entire career.
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Jul 12, 2014 03:12
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These people who think that disease warfare is an actual thing that people would be willing to use are slightly crazy. One of the defining features of disease is that it doesn't 'discriminate'. There's very few effective diseases that could be adapted into a weapon that would not be equally as devastating to the people unleashing it. I mean, even during the Middle Ages this principle was sort of understood. The whole Momento Mori/Danse Macabre motif specifically showed that nobody was immune to the effects of the plague. Everyone from peasants to royalty, death came for all.
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Two years ago there was a pretty large outbreak of measles in my country. Vaccines are freely available, and the NHS is one of the best health services in the world, so this isn't something that literally could not have been prevented - just dumb loving people putting people's lives at risk and that risk turning into someone actually dying. You would have thought this would have forced vaccinations into becoming mandatory, but it hasn't. Rush Limbo fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jan 7, 2015 |
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In Wales (my home country) in 2013 there was a measles outbreak. There were 1,219 confirmed cases, and 1 death. A vast majority of these cases were believed to be linked to the decline in MMR uptake during the 90s and the 'autism scare' The chickens have already come home to roost here. The only real reason it didn't become even bigger is because the vast majority are not idiots and got their children vaccinated.
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The human body has already an incredibly well-developed and field-tested method of getting rid of 'toxins' (whatever the gently caress those are) It developed over many, many millions of years and we're alive thanks to it. It's doubtful some quack with a printed-off phd is going to do a better job at developing a better system than millions of years of evolution under the harshest conditions possible on planet earth. In Bad Science Ben Goldacre did a whole chapter on toxins and how the need to go through these 'detox' programs are not out of some physiological need, the body will take care of that on its own, but a psychological reason because we believe we're purging bad habits or the 'old way' we were living and it makes things nice and clean and complete. I seem to remember something about something similar being done to child soldiers when they get introduced to a normal life, it's incredibly helpful for both the children themselves and the community if they have some sort of 'cleansing ritual' as it makes the transition from being a killer to being a regular child more palatable. I'll have to re-read it the book to make sure I'm not misremembering stuff. e: http://www.forcedmigration.org/rfgexp/rsp_tre/student/nonwest/nw_12.htm Rush Limbo fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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Once you've got it into your head that Doctors are all conspiring to cause autism in children, the idea that the original concept was widely discredited, the doctor stripped of his title, and them never being allowed to practice medicine again doesn't matter because that's just what they want you to believe Once you reach a critical point of crazy it's impossible to reason with. Anything, no matter how it plays out, merely reinforces existing belief. It would almost be funny if it wasn't such a huge public health issue. The idea that there are literally children out there who have died, and will continue to die, because an easily preventable disease is allowed to take root makes my blood boil.
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That loving sucks, particularly as mumps in later life can lead to infertility. Can't we just burn the world and salt the earth so we can never return already? We're too loving stupid to survive.
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