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King of Hamas posted:I am 100% for vaccines that have proven medical value, and am concurrently against any that lack it, and as a result I am anti-flu vaccine. It is a product made and pushed by for-profit corporations and study after study has shown that they range from marginally effective to totally ineffective. Legitimately objective medical science should be respected, but for-profit products pushed by for-profit companies that are proven to be dubiously effective according to the objective (ie; non industry-funded) research should absolutey not. If you doubt me, go ahead and do your own research, but I would recommend steering clear of studies funded by the very companies that stand to make the most money from a positive outcome. For example, here is the Cochrane Collaboration, a non-profit medical research group based on unpaid volunteers from the medical community, on the issue: It's a bad move to make bedfellows with a guy on the flu vaccine who is out on the lunatic/snake oil fringe on every other medical issue he talks about and is on Huffington Post, a news organization with the journalistic credibility to rival Buzzfeed.
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I've had two mothers on Facebook who have un-friended me after a civil conversation about their anti-vaccination stance, and a third who I've gently browbeat into shutting up a couple of times. Generally what happens is this: 1) They don't trust any data "funded by drug companies" (any study conducted or data gathered by a remotely credible organization) 2) They immediately trust data from amateur-hour naturopathy sites, which inevitably begin their argument not by advancing any evidence of their own methodology, but by attacking the sources their audience is already suspicious of. These attacks involve logic gymnastics, like using a government agency's data (even though government data is evil) to assert facts or theories that aren't at all supported by said data. 3) The author behind these arguments is sometimes so well-known as a snake oil salesman to experts and authorities that he has a sourced Wikipedia article documenting his legal troubles and total lack of credibility. 4) When all this is pointed out to mom, she retreats into a shell of "well I've seen the studies" and gives up on trying to produce anything because we are obviously unfairly biased against naturopathy, even though all we're asking for is baseline credible evidence that can't be debunked and destroyed with a two-minute Google search. This kind of paranoia is hard to crack and could use the help of a more serious, sustained public relations campaign to counter-act it.
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Mar 26, 2014 01:12
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Rhandhali posted:That's a definite possibility . Hopefully the state medical board isn't so timid that it won't go after doctors like this because failure to provide appropriate counseling on vaccination is absolutely a breach of standard of care. I know the American Academy of Pediatrics is taking a very aggressive stance on the subject. There's a debate right now as to whether pediatricians should dismiss patients from their practices for refusing vaccinations. From what I understand they're working on a formal policy statement but there has definitely (and rightfully so) been an upswing in patients being dismissed from practices for being anti-vaccination morons. I doubt there's a serious anti-vaccination contingent among actual doctors, but I've been surprised before.
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Mar 26, 2014 18:24
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Tasty_Crayon posted:Yikes. My mom slammed some horror stories about going to college without being vaccinated into my head, so that makes me go a lil College (especially in a dorm) is a festering cesspool of disease and you'll want to get your shots.
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Mar 31, 2014 20:56
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forgot my pants posted:The real bummer is polio was supposed to have been eradicated by 2010. I believe the UN and WHO both set this as their target goal some time back. Then as 2010 approached they delayed it a few more years, and now it looks like polio may not be eradicated in our lifetimes. The Arab Spring filled all the old problems with that just-washed minty freshness, like they're brand new!
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May 6, 2014 00:53
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Main Paineframe posted:Chiropracty is a bullshit pseudoscience alternative medicine, basically the modern Western equivalent of acupuncture, so it shouldn't really be surprising that over one-third of all chiropractors are anti-vaxxers. As far as I know acupuncture for what it's worth has a better reputation than chiropractors.
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Jul 11, 2014 23:24
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torpedan posted:Spreadsheets are a vital tool As a person with some experience in the wondrous field of data entry, no
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Jan 27, 2015 07:20
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Blarghalt posted:It's handy to remember at times like this that Alex Jones has always been a fundamentalist Baptist and everything he's ever said (despite his pleas that he's apolitical) has come from a far-right viewpoint. I can't even find the un-touched clip of this anymore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpkzptvDpDY
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Feb 4, 2015 22:28
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Vermain posted:To quote directly from John Cook and Stephan Lewdandowsky's Debunking Handbook: Intentionally deceiving people about inane information is one thing, I would say the more important problem is that women in particular have been conditioned not to trust the medical community via their experiences with said community. You don't really know what you're up against here until you have a serious medical condition and discover that a doctor has been misleading you or withholding information that you might find critical. For example, I'm infertile (for X years or forever, who knows) and my first cancer doc decided it wasn't important to discuss that this would happen during chemo or sperm banks. You can't really ask a nurse or a doctor if your doctor is good, they will always say yes or give a non-answer (what else is there to say?). So you start looking for secondary sources because your primary sources have lost all credibility with you. And if it so happens that your secondary source is a charlatan or a crank, we're off to the races. I don't think it is any accident that the anti-vax movement seems dominated by women, who still have to fight to be treated equally in society. It's easy for the male-majority Internet community to ridicule these people from the sidelines and characterize them as morons, probably just after they get done doing their part for Gamergate.
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Apr 13, 2015 08:29
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Where to start with Bill Maher? -Driven insane by 9/11, became a neocolonialist Islamophobe who supports racial profiling at airports. In this he has many strange bedfellows, but most of those bedfellows are smarter than him/know what they're talking about. -Libertarian, which if we're being serious is about all you need to know about how much deep thinking he does on any issue -Supports PETA -Pro-Vaccination of course -Is in the Ann Coulter School of Paid to Say Offensive poo poo for Attention -Is generally misidentified by Republicans as far-left because he disagrees and says impolite things about them -Constantly spews idiotic rhetoric and embarrassingly strange metaphors that make you wonder if he is even more stupid than you thought He's of no real value to anyone looking for thoughtful discourse on anything, he's just a noise machine who presents himself as a gadfly, which is nothing new really. Maher's show has given us Paul Begala torching Meghan McCain and the starting point for the Christine O'Donnell witchcraft story. Other than that it's a way for politicians, politically-involved celebrities, and the pundit class to promote themselves and cheerlead.
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eNeMeE posted:Have your mom get the vaccine without telling your sister. It's not like it leaves a mark or anything. That's not misanthropic, that's cleverly maneuvering around the problem.
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