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Eripsa posted:My idea for a Marble Economy is that the distribution of marbles should be a function of the flow of marbles. Right now, marbles are allocated not on the basis of need for marbles, but on the basis of no marbles. One marble can be exchanged for one marble, so the marbles end up where the marbles are. But marbles are needed where empty stomachs exist, and there is no guarantee that wherever an empty stomach exists there will be a marble to exchange for that stomach. Often, marbles are completely absent where marbles are needed most, and so a marble-based economy may not even recognize the failure of distribution of marbles at all. The alternative is to distribute marbles based on the flow of Marble; since Marble can't be faked, there will be less room for these kinds of oversights and marble inefficiencies. Any person with an empty stomach can still exchange that stomach for Marble, so if we can track where the Marble is flowing we have a better shot of making sure the stomach get there. I don't expect that Marble is a perfect indicator of value, but my view is that it will be a hell of a lot more accurate than money. Mercury_Storm fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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don't forget charlie booker's excellent film portraying eripsa's vision of his utopian, attention economy future wheez the roux posted:Eripsa: the movie wheez the roux fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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blowfish posted:This is good advice. However, it is always fun to watch fools be parted from their money Tangically related to this chat. Years and years back when Goons first found out about bitcoins (and laughed) they were worth a dollar or less each if I recall. If I bought, say, a few hundred then how close to zero is the chance Id still have them now and be able to sell them for actual dollars? I kinda got bored of laughing and stopped paying attention. I was surprised to hear its still a thing. Oh and I just noticed last year they were 'worth' a thousand dollars at one time... now 200... some things never change... ps I didnt buy any, just wondering if Im still right in not doing so.
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Touchdown Boy posted:Tangically related to this chat. Years and years back when Goons first found out about bitcoins (and laughed) they were worth a dollar or less each if I recall. If I bought, say, a few hundred then how close to zero is the chance Id still have them now and be able to sell them for actual dollars? I kinda got bored of laughing and stopped paying attention. I was surprised to hear its still a thing. Oh and I just noticed last year they were 'worth' a thousand dollars at one time... now 200... some things never change... If you mined a couple thousand on your PC before internet lolbertarians drove mining difficulty up and then let them sit in your wallet and didn't forget your wallet no. and your password then they would still be yours and you could sell them to internet lolbertarians. If you did anything with them such as putting them into Magic The Gathering Online Exchange for trading like most buttcoiners and left them there you would be poo poo out of luck. I think mtgox alone "lost" something like 4% of all buttcoins that will ever exist, ignoring the fact that there's still lots of butts to be mined and not counting all the lost butts that pre-nerdrush bitcoiners mined for fun and forgot about (a lot). suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:If you mined a couple thousand on your PC before internet lolbertarians drove mining difficulty up and then let them sit in your wallet and didn't forget your wallet no. and your password then they would still be yours and you could sell them to internet lolbertarians. In addition to this, you also had to make sure not to host them on any other exchange, because I believe every exchange from that time period was either hacked or went under or they rebooted their amazon instance and didn't realize the wallet would be lost. The best bet for getting rich on bitcoins is to have mined a bunch of them early on, completely forget about it, and find the unprotected wallet on a spare drive. It's only very recently that you could even cash out without giving your entire personal history to shady people in foreign lands or trading for bags of potentially activated amazon gift cards in dark parking lots, where you were also stabbed.
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Touchdown Boy posted:Tangically related to this chat. Years and years back when Goons first found out about bitcoins (and laughed) they were worth a dollar or less each if I recall. If I bought, say, a few hundred then how close to zero is the chance Id still have them now and be able to sell them for actual dollars? I kinda got bored of laughing and stopped paying attention. I was surprised to hear its still a thing. Oh and I just noticed last year they were 'worth' a thousand dollars at one time... now 200... some things never change... When they were 'worth' a thousand the value was essentially moot because you couldn't sell them. It wasn't until maybe the last eight months and the associated crash that you could actually sell bitcoin for anything approaching market value. Basically if you had perfect foresight you could have comedy mined or purchased bitcoin in 2010 and come away with anywhere from 20x-300x the value you invested. Then again if you had that same perfect foresight you could have picked a good set of lotto numbers because it was impossible to predict bitcoin in any real fashion since it's entirely speculative in nature.
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blowfish posted:If you mined a couple thousand on your PC before internet lolbertarians drove mining difficulty up and then let them sit in your wallet and didn't forget your wallet no. and your password then they would still be yours and you could get knifed in a Walgreens parking lot while trying to sell them You were almost right, but did need that one last correction. EDIT: Crust First!
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Yeah its as I thought. Still, it would have been awesome to do that. One funny thing I semi remember was the guy who bought a pizza with bitcoin. I think it cost him something like 10k btc... most expensive pizza ever looking back (or free pizza depending how you look at it I suppose).
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Touchdown Boy posted:Yeah its as I thought. Still, it would have been awesome to do that. One funny thing I semi remember was the guy who bought a pizza with bitcoin. I think it cost him something like 10k btc... most expensive pizza ever looking back (or free pizza depending how you look at it I suppose). When he did that the only thing you could get with bitcoin otherwise was like shell access on some dude's server for a couple thousand bitcoins. Because you didn't need to burn 3 tons of coal to get a bitcoin then.
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Crust First posted:In addition to this, you also had to make sure not to host them on any other exchange, because I believe every exchange from that time period was either hacked or went under or they rebooted their amazon instance and didn't realize the wallet would be lost.  I didn't realise it was literally all the exchanges that collapsed. Bitcoin, there is always more and it is always worse.
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So this popped up today: Just bask in that image for a moment. Just feel the glory of it. Of the eleven categories I think there are at least five that Facebook 'fails' that I couldn't give even a single solitary poo poo about.
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It's unfortunate that "5 digits of users" didn't fit on the slide.
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Caros posted:So this popped up today: As was pointed out in the Bitcoin thread, by those metrics a webpage totally blank except for a bitcoin address is a better social network than Facebook.
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Reminds me of the three cardinal rules of computer security: Do not own a computer, Do not use a computer, Do not turn on power to a computer.
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Caros posted:So this popped up today: It looks like a pretty convincing ad for Diaspora, actually.
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Peel posted:What is a 'smart contract'? You can attach EULAs to your cat pics or some other nutty libertarian sperg poo poo. Wasn't their example for this something to do with alerting doctors to an ebola outbreak without letting the media know... which only works if no one communicates by any means other than synereo?
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Caros posted:When they were 'worth' a thousand the value was essentially moot because you couldn't sell them. It wasn't until maybe the last eight months and the associated crash that you could actually sell bitcoin for anything approaching market value. Where did that valuation come from then? Were trades actually happening at $1,000, or were people actually buying $1,000 worth of drugs for a bitcoin or what.
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VitalSigns posted:Where did that valuation come from then? The biggest buttcoin exchange (Magic The Gathering Online Exchange to be precise) had buy orders and sell orders meet at around a thousand bucks. The trade volume was minimal and whenever people started selling of modest amounts of butts mtgox "mysteriously" developed "lag" that prevented people from actually selling many butts for a grand each, and "completely unrelated" mini-buy orders for tiny fractions of a butt for high prices started appearing whenever the price started decreasing. So yes, someone, somewhere, at some point traded butts for a kilobuck each, but chances are you couldn't have.
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Oh I didn't think about that, but yeah if these things are endlessly divisible, you could manipulate the price inexpensively with buy orders for tiny fractions if you didn't allow too many to trade. This sounds hilariously crooked, is there a place I can read the mtgox saga?
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VitalSigns posted:Oh I didn't think about that, but yeah if these things are endlessly divisible, you could manipulate the price inexpensively with buy orders for tiny fractions if you didn't allow too many to trade. The sad thing about bitcoin is that in the scheme of things, Gox is so minorly crooked. They had one of the largest ripples though and the former owner sits all day posting pictures of his cat to Twitter to the chagrin of people who lost money. edit: There isnt much of a story to be honest. The site began ages ago as a M:TG Online trading site trading vietual cards. The owner closed it, and later gotbit by the bitcoin bug and reopened the site as an exchange using some of his old trading api. Some time later, he sold it to Mark Kaerples, who reworked a lot of the trading platforms. Kaerples owned some server hosting and domain hosting services that took Bitcoin. Around this time, the price for coins on Gox started to go up and they led the pricing for the rest of the market. There have been some trading trend analysis indicating that Gox was slowly inflating the price using bots, but it isnt anything definitive. Mid 2013, Gox started to become financially insolvent. They delayed payments, their main payment processor ended their relationship, DHS seized control of a large chunk of their funds*. Despite this, the price continued to climb peaking just before Gox declared bankruptcy bankruptcy in January of 2014. They declared bankruptcy because a large chunk of their reserve bitcoins could not be accounted for. They blame hackers. Since then Kaerples posts pictures of his cat on Twitter and chills in Japan. *-Caveat about the DHS seizure, the warrant was issued because of an affadavit of a secret service agent who is facing corruption charges. Said agent worked closely with DEA agent CARL MARK FORCE IV, who sent an email taunting Kaerples the day of the seizure for not hiring him as a security consultant. Force is also facing corruption charges. OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Apr 25, 2015 |
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VitalSigns posted:Oh I didn't think about that, but yeah if these things are endlessly divisible, you could manipulate the price inexpensively with buy orders for tiny fractions if you didn't allow too many to trade. http://www.buttcoinfoundation.org/ has some funny stuff as an overview. All the missing detail as well as hilarious photoshops of I think buttcoinfoundation is the goon-relaunched version of buttcoin.org. buttcoin.org was originally goon run but then got bought out. The new owners changed one single article making GBS threads on notably incompetent bitcoin business Butterfly Labs (a producer of bitcoin mining hardware that was typically obsolete and delivered about two years late, run by some white collar criminal who was not actually allowed to run a business anymore, his e: ayn rand hand job posted:The sad thing about bitcoin is that in the scheme of things, Gox is so minorly crooked. They had one of the largest ripples though and the former owner sits all day posting pictures of his cat to Twitter to the chagrin of people who lost money. Basically whenever you are unsure about something involving buttcoin, guessing "mindbogglingly stupid fuckup" or "blatant scam" will be correct. e2: Does anyone remember what kugutsumen's SA username or the title of his stupid Belua thread was? (if you don't know either: noted hacker and Eve Online player Kugutsumen took a break from snorting blow off the tits of Indonesian hookers to disrupt social networks or something and came up with a terrible attention economy slash bitcoin slash kugutsumencoin network called Belua that would make Eripsa proud in its unrealistic rear end-backwards non-working approach and that failed to attract any attention, heh. Then he posted a shameless advertisement thread for his terrible idea on somethingawful dot com and got trolled out of the forums) suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Apr 25, 2015 |
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found it: kugutsumen, the thread
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Where did the whole "Attention Economy" thing come from anyways? Whoever did develop the ideas, it sure has been latched on to by tons of pseudo-intellectual morons by this point.
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Mercury_Storm posted:Where did the whole "Attention Economy" thing come from anyways? Whoever did develop the ideas, it sure has been latched on to by tons of pseudo-intellectual morons by this point. Someone who doesn't have a whole lot of marbles.
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It's come up before, but anyone who'd like to experience what trying to mine/use bitcoins is like could do worse than the Advanced Bitcoin Simulator.Mercury_Storm posted:Where did the whole "Attention Economy" thing come from anyways? Whoever did develop the ideas, it sure has been latched on to by tons of pseudo-intellectual morons by this point. First I heard of it was one of Eripsa's first megaposts back years ago, but I've no idea where he got the idea from.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's come up before, but anyone who'd like to experience what trying to mine/use bitcoins is like could do worse than the Advanced Bitcoin Simulator. Attention economy is an old marketing term. It basically just means "Look at people's attention as though it's a currency to be spent". So if someone is paying attention to X, they can't use that same attention to look at Y. Even as marketing-speak it was half-bullshit, but it was just a trade term. It was mostly used in context of 'how do we get people to pay attention to our ads' and is nothing you'd want to base any sort of good human behavior on, the essence of understanding the attention economy in marketing is understanding how to make people pay attention to trivial and unimportant poo poo.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's come up before, but anyone who'd like to experience what trying to mine/use bitcoins is like could do worse than the Advanced Bitcoin Simulator. This is great. How long does it take my ASIC miner to arrive, I keep losing money trying to mine on my virtual laptop.
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VitalSigns posted:This is great. How long does it take my ASIC miner to arrive, I keep losing money trying to mine on my virtual laptop. It will show up eventually. Then you'll have a scorching good time!
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's come up before, but anyone who'd like to experience what trying to mine/use bitcoins is like could do worse than the Advanced Bitcoin Simulator. you forgot the sequel: http://bitcalc.beepboopbitcoin.com/
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ayn rand hand job posted:you forgot the sequel: http://bitcalc.beepboopbitcoin.com/ Oh lord, it's even better than the original!
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ayn rand hand job posted:you forgot the sequel: http://bitcalc.beepboopbitcoin.com/ what do you do when you've done the BFL and mtgox bits, i can't figure out the computer console
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blowfish posted:what do you do when you've done the BFL and mtgox bits, i can't figure out the computer console dir
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blowfish posted:what do you do when you've done the BFL and mtgox bits, i can't figure out the computer console go read the last ~25 pages of the 'pos bitcoin thread where people have been extremely prima games about all this
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Peel posted:What is a 'smart contract'? its magic that people who can't program thought up as an imaginary program that can do things that in actuality requires a strong AI, so that they can eliminate the hated government
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Peel posted:What is a 'smart contract'? I think it's some technically possible but practically impossible thing bitcoiners like to fantasize about based on a thing where you set up a transaction that only sends if some third-party does a thing, which is basically a semi-automated escrow. Bitcoiners, being bitcoiners, naturally use that as a basis to dream of a world where they write their contracts ~in the blockchain~ and when the conditions of the contract are fulfilled, ~the blockchain~ will magically learn about those real-life events somehow and release the money all on its own without human interactions. It's techno-utopian garbage.
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Main Paineframe posted:I think it's some technically possible but practically impossible thing bitcoiners like to fantasize about based on a thing where you set up a transaction that only sends if some third-party does a thing, which is basically a semi-automated escrow. I'd like to preemptively request that whatever Eripsa's next thread is about be subtitled: "techno-utopian garbage"
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I'd like to preemptively request that whatever Eripsa's next thread is about be subtitled: "techno-utopian garbage" I'd like to request a mod name change from "eripsa" to "techno-utopian garbage".
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