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lenoon posted:ask someone to name five. They never can. - Don't imprison/torture people for no reason - Pay your employees - Don't make your employees work more than - Don't just dump your rubbish wherever - If you really must nationalise your railways, please try to make it look like it's still a collection of private enterprises, tia
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Ethnic British, direct descendants of the French, whilst claiming to be a tribe of germanics interbred with the Scandos. Ask him how his old norse is. Renaissance Robot posted:- Don't imprison/torture people for no reason Actually we wrote that one and the EU said it was good and used it. It's ours primarily.
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I've on occasion tried pointing out that while I still definitely predate any anglo-saxons, being part celt, I have strong portuguese genetics because Ireland is due north to them. They call me a colonialist. The lack of cognitive dissonance is incredible.
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Spangly A posted:
Maybe, but we suspended it in the Troubles in the 70's
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Spangly A posted:I've on occasion tried pointing out that while I still definitely predate any anglo-saxons, being part celt, I have strong portuguese genetics because Ireland is due north to them. What?
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Zero Gravitas posted:What? Celts predate anglo-saxons. Anyone identifying as an anglo-saxon while bitching about immigrants probably arrived after my family. However, there was a permanent slow Iberian immigration because Ireland is due north. At this point, I get called a colonialist for pointing this out, despite arriving here before they presumably did. The fact this has never given anyone a seizure means they likely don't experience cognitive dissonance. So I gave up using it as an example, as they clearly weren't engaging their brains enough to get the point (the point is "my dad was here first" arguments are loving moronic). And it's funnier to just ask "why" over and over until you get to the point they outright admit to hating blacks.
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Apr 30, 2014 00:07
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This whole claiming the actions of your ancestors as your own thing is stupid, being able to trace your family on this miserable island back to the year dot isn't a personal achievement (except maybe a geneological one). I propose a new system: if you were born British then anyone younger than you or who naturalised after your birth is less British than you are, anyone born British or naturalised earlier is more so. Every year we can publish a table of Britishness rankings to end the argument once and for all. Your Britishness ranking has no effect on anything and Britishness is a protected characteristic.
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Spangly A posted:The fact this has never given anyone a seizure means they likely don't experience cognitive dissonance. There's no sonance of any kind in a vacuum, remember
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baka kaba posted:There's no sonance of any kind in a vacuum, remember They don't need to be stupid or bad people, just badly informed all their life. That's why I do it. Providing them with a reason to get angry without ever actually being an enemy will just unsettle their own ideas as they realise they can't defend them; they can dismiss anything if you actually attack them. It's never going to work while I'm present but taking a few punches now and then will be worth it if even one person ever re-examines their positions.
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Oh I know, I just wanted to make the bad joke  I do the same myself even though it's like banging your head against a wall. Plus to be really effective you have to avoid calling people out, so they don't get defensive, and it's really hard to resist. But just challenging the narratives is something that needs to be done.Speaking of which, I caught Nick Robinson on his vaguely EU-related tour of the UK earlier. Yesterday was 'is the economy improving' (what the gently caress this has to do with the EU Parliament elections and not the current UK government, I don't know), and today it was 'IS THERE TOO MUCH IMMIGRATION'. Nick helpfully prompting everyone 'yes???' and everyone saying 'YEAH' and dutifully repeating all the blame and accusations they've been fed. Is it news that people have this opinion when they're spoonfed it non-stop?
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baka kaba posted:Oh I know, I just wanted to make the bad joke Robinson is notoriously tory sympathetic, and it seeps through far too often for my liking.
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Trickjaw posted:Robinson is notoriously tory sympathetic, and it seeps through far too often for my liking. Just another smug, complacent Establishment figure.
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Farage has bottled it and said he won't stand in the Newark by-election.
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Trickjaw posted:Robinson is notoriously tory sympathetic, and it seeps through far too often for my liking. He's just an outright tory and was head of the conservatives society at Oxford, he is bad at hiding it because he's poo poo at what his job is supposed to be.
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Brown Moses posted:Farage has bottled it and said he won't stand in the Newark by-election. Probably sensible really. It's a big gamble as it's a safe Tory seat.
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Serotonin posted:Probably sensible really. It's a big gamble as it's a safe Tory seat. On the other hand: HA HA HA BIG loving BOTTLE MERCHANT
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/30/zero-hours-contracts-uk-over-one-million-peoplequote:About 1.4 million people are employed on zero-hour contracts in Britain, according to the latest government figures, a far higher number than expected. I don't understand how you can offer someone no guaranteed hours and still employ them. Shouldn't it should be a legal requirement to guarantee at least 32 hours a month, equivalent of one working day a week? If you can't give that then they might as well be a paper boy/girl.
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I'm still (according to the letter I got from HMRC a couple of weeks ago) technically a Sky News employee even though I haven't set foot in the building since September last year. Thanks, zero hours contract and slack HR department. Meanwhile, in shock news The Sun are right about something. My instant reaction is to assume it's fake but they put it on their @sun_politics twitter account. 
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Apr 30, 2014 11:23
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Lembit Opik is a oval office, confirmed by the judiciary.
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Apr 30, 2014 11:28
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Apr 30, 2014 11:29
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In the past three years, 1,260 care and nursing homes have been issued with warning notices by regulators the Care Quality Commission (CQC) for failing to meet legal standards to protect the vulnerable: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10795631/Secret-filming-exposes-elderly-being-slapped-and-taunted.html
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Apr 30, 2014 11:47
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Good thing about Tube strikes is I get to stomp all over Tories and other tossers on Facebook calling for automation of the Underground from a highly technical and knowledgeable position, and its loving glorious. I keep one on there who is particularly active for occasions such as this. Totally worth it.
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Quincey posted:In the past three years, 1,260 care and nursing homes have been issued with warning notices by regulators the Care Quality Commission (CQC) for failing to meet legal standards to protect the vulnerable: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10795631/Secret-filming-exposes-elderly-being-slapped-and-taunted.html Thank goodness for the more effective and productive private sector eh?
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Quincey posted:In the past three years, 1,260 care and nursing homes have been issued with warning notices by regulators the Care Quality Commission (CQC) for failing to meet legal standards to protect the vulnerable: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10795631/Secret-filming-exposes-elderly-being-slapped-and-taunted.html Thank goodness for the more effective and productive private sector eh?
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Bozza posted:Good thing about Tube strikes is I get to stomp all over Tories and other tossers on Facebook calling for automation of the Underground from a highly technical and knowledgeable position, and its loving glorious. Without stomping all over me could you tell me why ticket offices shouldn't be closed?
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tdrules posted:Without stomping all over me could you tell me why ticket offices shouldn't be closed?
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Brown Moses posted:Farage has bottled it and said he won't stand in the Newark by-election. Loads of stuff on the Torygraph front page today about chemical attacks in Syria, did you have input into the story at all?
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tdrules posted:Without stomping all over me could you tell me why ticket offices shouldn't be closed? C+P because this isn't my real area of expertise but the statistics are telling: quote:At the heart of the original dispute behind the London tube strikes is one critical question: are ticket offices needed? Certainly mayor Boris Johnson once thought so, having campaigned to become mayor with a pledge to stop any closures. Johnson and Transport for London argue that the transformation in technology - such as Oyster, contactless payment cards, online transactions, and mobile devices for staff and passengers - have rapidly made the traditional station model redundant.
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Kegluneq posted:Bob Hoskins has died aged 71. "gently caress me..."
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Hey Bozza who can I attribute that quote to?
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Mr Cuddles posted:Hey Bozza who can I attribute that quote to? Guardian Transport correspondent.
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The CQC are probably going all out to mark down failing homes, especially after the Eye called them out for being loving incompetent.
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Bozza posted:C+P because this isn't my real area of expertise but the statistics are telling: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see anything there that a member of staff with an ipad, which I believe is going to be the replacement, can't do? As long as you give them the ability to refund or whatever.
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Lord Twisted posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see anything there that a member of staff with an ipad, which I believe is going to be the replacement, can't do? As long as you give them the ability to refund or whatever.
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Seaside Loafer posted:Isnt the main argument that its going to put a gently caress load of people out of a job and while I accept it could mostly be done via tech isnt it just better to keep people in work on a social basis? By that logic, shouldn't public services be run as inefficiently and wastefully as possible?
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We should just keep cutting the working week length until unemployment hits zero
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Crashbee posted:By that logic, shouldn't public services be run as inefficiently and wastefully as possible? Unless they do that whole min wage for everyone thing then yeah sure waste some money. e: anecdote time, there is this elderly man who works part time as a cashier at my local tesco express, ive chatted to him a few times, he is so loving miserable but he has to make a buck, he had an amazing career and is clearly capable of so much more but he cant find a job, it breaks my heart it really does Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Apr 30, 2014 |
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Bozza posted:C+P because this isn't my real area of expertise but the statistics are telling: Most banks issue contactless debit cards if you ask. Is it even worth dealing with the unbanked at the level of the transport service? Oyster is unnecessary and TfL has complained about being a very large payment processor. Eliminating cash is a smart move since handling cash at the volumes TfL does is a pain in the rear end
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Malcolm XML posted:Most banks issue contactless debit cards if you ask. Is it even worth dealing with the unbanked at the level of the transport service? lol Welcome to Malcolm XML's London, where if you forgot to ask your bank for a contactless card before visiting, you'll at least have a lovely walk!
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