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ded posted:Do what my kick rear end skipper did. Walk around smoking cigars anywhere you drat well please. What ship was that? I left a box of cigars out in my space once in plain view when my CO came in for a zone inspection. He opened up the can, took a couple and said my spaces looked outstanding and left.
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Seqenenra posted:What ship was that? I left a box of cigars out in my space once in plain view when my CO came in for a zone inspection. He opened up the can, took a couple and said my spaces looked outstanding and left. USS Los Angeles 97-98
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genderstomper58 posted:Uhhh just our very own supernuke ket i'm sure he'll tell you how going home most nights is basically a cattle car in 1940 poland ha ha yeah it was pretty dumb and disappointing. nothing to really show for it which i think made it a lot worse which is why i bitched about it so much. at least if you're on deployment you know you're doing something useful. dear gip, sry i bitched so much. i was just going through a bad time in my life or something I think that 688i flight are supposed to be poorly suited for prototypes for some reason that I cant remember. Anyway, the next generation boats are already picked out for MTS conversion. KetTarma fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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ManMythLegend posted:I bathe in aviator tears to keep my youthful appearance. Eew. You must not be able to bathe very often. Wingnut Ninja fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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So I have been LPO now for a month in my shop, and I have an ET3 under me, he is basically fresh out of C school, and I dunno how I can help this kid. He forgets poo poo all the time, goes off and does his own thing for hours at a time, doesn't inform other people of when he is going to do said things, and whenever anyone tries to talk to this kid he just shuts the gently caress down. He's smart as hell, really knows his poo poo, but for the love of god he is a terrible fit for the military. He has some personal issues in his past and is seeing mental health about them (I have treated him with kid gloves in the past because of that, I don't want the kid to off himself). But I am at my goddamn breaking point, I've finally decided to start taking poo poo down on paper, counseling chits, etc. to build a paper trail to show I haven't been doing gently caress all at trying to deal with the constant issues he causes, but what the hell do I do? Every time I tell him he hosed up, he goes into a funk and shuts down and starts heaping poo poo on himself and it's just loving infuriating. He makes my DIVO look bad, my chief look bad, me look bad, he basically makes the whole shop look like poo poo. It is embarrassing as poo poo to have your CO tell you to get a handle on some junior sailor because he lost his poo poo and walked off in the middle of talking to a senior chief. Sorry for the E/N mash of poo poo in this post, but I am just at a loss of what to do. My chief has tried to help him too, and we've talked about him at length, and neither of us know how to handle this kid, beyond referring him to mental health and making sure he goes to appointments. orange juche fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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Apr 9, 2014 08:53
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KetTarma posted:688i It's just a less common plant. Be like teaching everyone how to throw a fastball and then sending 3/4ths of the people to play soccer. Fundamentally it's all the same though right? Hot rock?
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Schlabbalabba posted:It's just a less common plant. Be like teaching everyone how to throw a fastball and then sending 3/4ths of the people to play soccer. Fundamentally it's all the same though right? Hot rock? I'm not going to go into the differences between first-flight and I-boats but I doubt any of them matter for MTS suitability, and the engine rooms of all submarines get backfitted / updated enough to render it irrelevant anyway. I can see how there would be interest in having the two MTSs having similar equipment for certain systems (I'm being vague on purpose here but it's nothing interesting) but again without knowing which hulls got which updates it doesn't tell you much. I strongly suspect it just comes down to core life, La Jolla and San Fran both got new cores around 2000-2002 while Miami I think was due to get her first one replaced when she burned. That or it straight up would've been too expensive to make Miami safe for people to be belowdecks again.
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Oh yeahhhhhh. Honcho patrol. Let's do this! I got your back, sea warrior!
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orange juche posted:Sorry for the E/N mash of poo poo in this post, but I am just at a loss of what to do. My chief has tried to help him too, and we've talked about him at length, and neither of us know how to handle this kid, beyond referring him to mental health and making sure he goes to appointments. Haze him until he kills himself. But seriously, the kid sounds crazy and probably just needs to go to mast.
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poopkitty posted:Oh yeahhhhhh. Honcho patrol. Let's do this! I got your back, sea warrior! I'll be there on friday to laugh at all the stupid.
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orange juche posted:So I have been LPO now for a month in my shop, and I have an ET3 under me, he is basically fresh out of C school, and I dunno how I can help this kid. He forgets poo poo all the time, goes off and does his own thing for hours at a time, doesn't inform other people of when he is going to do said things, and whenever anyone tries to talk to this kid he just shuts the gently caress down. He's smart as hell, really knows his poo poo, but for the love of god he is a terrible fit for the military. He has some personal issues in his past and is seeing mental health about them (I have treated him with kid gloves in the past because of that, I don't want the kid to off himself). But I am at my goddamn breaking point, I've finally decided to start taking poo poo down on paper, counseling chits, etc. to build a paper trail to show I haven't been doing gently caress all at trying to deal with the constant issues he causes, but what the hell do I do? Every time I tell him he hosed up, he goes into a funk and shuts down and starts heaping poo poo on himself and it's just loving infuriating. He makes my DIVO look bad, my chief look bad, me look bad, he basically makes the whole shop look like poo poo. It is embarrassing as poo poo to have your CO tell you to get a handle on some junior sailor because he lost his poo poo and walked off in the middle of talking to a senior chief. Have you sat down and talked with your LCPO and DLCPO? I'd say those are good starting places if they're worth a gently caress at all. I had a nuke-washout EM similar to your guy. What really got him going was INSURV. I just spent a lot of time talking with him until I found out something he was really good at. I made an excel sheet to track every fuse in the ship and whether it was the correct size, rotated out so that it could be seen quickly, whether the fuse box was missing any screws, etc. I put him in charge of data entry and tracking down these discrepancies. He loving loved it because it was a shitton of work, but he got to sit in front of the computer and not have to deal with other people most of the day. This also freed up the rest of electricians to handle the rest of the ship instead of worrying about the fuse mammoth. Afterwards he seemed to work a lot better within the division. It was just a task of finding stuff that worked best for him. He handled monotonous and repetitive tasks alone really well, so we kept putting him on those type jobs.
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orange juche posted:Words about ET3 Honestly, if what you've done so far hasn't worked it's time for him to be treated like an adult. Sure he's got issues and you're doing the right thing by making sure that he makes his appointments, but there comes a time where if he's not making any progress with what you're doing and continues loving up that he needs to be dealt the consequences. As much as it sucks doing it, some people do need to get their poo poo kicked in for things to click. If that doesn't help and the military isn't for him, then assisting him out the door might be the right thing for him.
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orange juche posted:et3 problems Having been through the same thing, I would concur with the above poster. The best thing to do is figure out what he is good at, could be something completely idiotic or something rather useful such as tracking JSNs or PMS. All else fails, mast the kid. Its not your fault he is hosed up.
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Can he 2M worth a gently caress? Most of the ETs I knew that didn't want to deal with people and just hide in a hole were best at 2Ming.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Eew. You must not be able to bathe very often. At first I killed aviators so I could bathe in their virgin blood, but that meant the baths were fewer. However, I found that their tears have the same virginal properties. Now I just tell some P-3 guys that they won't be able to bring their wives with them on their next deployment and I've got enough tears to last a week or so.
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ManMythLegend posted:At first I killed aviators so I could bathe in their virgin blood, but that meant the baths were fewer. However, I found that their tears have the same virginal properties. I'm completely on board with the hazing of P-3 guys. But they are only pseudo aviators so their tears aren't going to be as effective for you.
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I've always heard the P-3 community is almost as toxic as the SWO community.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I've always heard the P-3 community is almost as toxic as the SWO community. Based on the guys I've met I totally believe that.
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ManMythLegend posted:Based on the guys I've met I totally believe that. I know some individuals in that community who are great guys but the community as whole is douchebag central. I had the misfortune of working for several P-3 guys and it was by far the most miserable experience I've ever had in the Navy.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I've always heard the P-3 community is almost as toxic as the SWO community. My brother said all the Navy guys in flight school who ended up with P-3 billets were all whiny cry-babies who married really bitchy/demanding women or were super religious pussies.
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poopkitty posted:Oh yeahhhhhh. Honcho patrol. Let's do this! I got your back, sea warrior! Go get 'em tiger. I'll be drinking at home.
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Booblord Zagats posted:My brother said all the Navy guys in flight school who ended up with P-3 billets were all whiny cry-babies who married really bitchy/demanding women or were super religious pussies. Maybe those were air force uniforms
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genderstomper58 posted:Maybe those were air force uniforms So you're saying Navy P-3 pilots are just their embassy to the Air Force. I can see that. They're "deployed" to places that let them bring their families with, they never really seem to accomplish anything and they somehow make the Marine Air Wing look like a group of highly functional adults. Checks out
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Booblord Zagats posted:So you're saying Navy P-3 pilots are just their embassy to the Air Force. Also, per diem.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Also, per diem. And Air Medals.
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orange juche posted:So I have been LPO now for a month in my shop, and I have an ET3 under me, he is basically fresh out of C school, and I dunno how I can help this kid. He forgets poo poo all the time, goes off and does his own thing for hours at a time, doesn't inform other people of when he is going to do said things, and whenever anyone tries to talk to this kid he just shuts the gently caress down. He's smart as hell, really knows his poo poo, but for the love of god he is a terrible fit for the military. He has some personal issues in his past and is seeing mental health about them (I have treated him with kid gloves in the past because of that, I don't want the kid to off himself). But I am at my goddamn breaking point, I've finally decided to start taking poo poo down on paper, counseling chits, etc. to build a paper trail to show I haven't been doing gently caress all at trying to deal with the constant issues he causes, but what the hell do I do? Every time I tell him he hosed up, he goes into a funk and shuts down and starts heaping poo poo on himself and it's just loving infuriating. He makes my DIVO look bad, my chief look bad, me look bad, he basically makes the whole shop look like poo poo. It is embarrassing as poo poo to have your CO tell you to get a handle on some junior sailor because he lost his poo poo and walked off in the middle of talking to a senior chief. Honestly you're doing the best you can. Going to mental health isn't an immediate fix for anything, and partly goes off into a responsibility of the member 70% of the time while the other 30% is their counselor. Sounds to me like the kid needs to have some positive reinforcement along with correcting his actions. Since he's breaking down, try pointing out some aspects of his duties that he's performing great, while at the same time showing him where he needs to fix his poo poo. Keep writing him up for a papertrail and let him know that it's only a part of your job to keep a physical record of the counselings. If you send him to DRB > XOI > Mast he might just break down even more. Admittedly, he sounds like a lovely fit for the military regardless of how well he understands the stuff being dealt to him, but I think part of that is his own misunderstanding of what's being told to him. He joined the military. He's not being forced to go on volunteer poo poo. He's not being forced to gently caress a tranny without a condom. Kid needs to just see that it's part of his job to listen and obey and take the constructive criticism so that he betters himself. If he can't do that, then he might need to be admin sep'd. He probably has poo poo self confidence and just needs that push towards "You're doing an ok job as far as knowing poo poo, but this is where you can improve" and he might be able to turn around. If he walked away while talking to Senior Chief, I'd hate to see what'll happen when you stick him in a room with 10 of them. Edit: Also, sorry for the whining. Can't drink and aiming for a certain number of months sober so I really don't have anywhere to vent but here 
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My take is that if you think in stressful scenarios (i.e poo poo goes wrong way out on deployment or god forbid we ever get shot at) he's going to turn from dead weight to outright liability, then do what you have to to get rid of him. If he freezes up when things get loud and flashy, he's a liability. It's the mil, it's not finishing school and it's not daycare, if the guy's unsuited for it do what you have to to cut him loose and get the billet filled properly. You're not doing him a favor building a hidey-hole to spin fuses in all day, and you're certainly not helping the rest of the division. Obviously talk to your chief, department chief, goat locker and other LPOs and make sure you're making the right assessment, but living with situations that are fundamentally broken is the basis for 90% of the bitching in this thread that isn't shore corpsmen whining.
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If you're legit concerned he might take a dive off of the fantail, tell your chief of course. Otherwise I'd just have a frank talk to him so he knows exactly what is expected of him, and what the consequences will be if he can't follow up. Make sure there's nothing right now he needs help with also. Officially document everything, he'll need it for the likely admin board.
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Pandasmores posted:Sounds to me like the kid needs to have some positive reinforcement along with correcting his actions. Since he's breaking down, try pointing out some aspects of his duties that he's performing great, while at the same time showing him where he needs to fix his poo poo. I struggled working with one guy in particular until we figured out one thing he ruled at and then his confidence took off. Still had to be an rear end a few times of course, but I'm glad he didn't just get booted out and instead is a respectable sailor now.
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Welp, just got told by an orthopedic specialist that I definitely need surgery on my hosed up ankle to be able to do things like "run" ever again. Estimated 30 days of foot cast, 3 months of a brace+physical therapy, 6-8 months until I can run. I've been MPQ in the Reserves for 5 months now. Wondering if this will get me med-boarded or something. I'll probably get the surgery around August. Think this will screw me over any? Already have an AT waiver in for being broke.
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Yup. We lost, too. Chief wont let us play volleyball anymore now either. E: Technically it was a severe lateral inversion sprain with torn anterior talofibular ligament and post-longus, whatever that is. Went to return a serve and came down sideways on my foot. WHOOPS. KetTarma fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but has anyone heard more about this sailor found dead at the Portsmouth Navy barracks? A good friend of mine is stationed there and we haven't talked in a few months, so I'm getting a little antsy.  Not Navy myself, FWIW.Alternatively, is there a way to send letters to someone stationed at a base without knowing their specific address? Same friend didn't give me one before leaving, and assuming she's OK (I hope ), is there a generic address to send one to that just gets sorted out?Thanks in advance, sorry if this is the wrong thread for it.
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bhsman posted:I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but has anyone heard more about this sailor found dead at the Portsmouth Navy barracks? A good friend of mine is stationed there and we haven't talked in a few months, so I'm getting a little antsy. If we knew anything about it, we wouldn't be able to say anything as there would be an ongoing investigation.
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orange juche posted:If we knew anything about it, we wouldn't be able to say anything as there would be an ongoing investigation.  That's true, I guess. Sorry, I know the odds are low but I got a little antsy and contacting another friend of hers for more info hasn't been fruitful.
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Do what I do when stal.. trying to get in touch with long-lost friends. Look her up on Facebook.
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tuluk posted:wait is this the ankle you broke playing volleyball at reserves drill? For fucks sake dude don't let Representative Duckworth hear about your gold brickin nuclear rear end
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Booblord Zagats posted:For fucks sake dude don't let Representative Duckworth hear about your gold brickin nuclear rear end I wouldn't worry I'm sure he's already got a leg up on her
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Snowdens Secret posted:I wouldn't worry I'm sure he's already got a leg up on her Nice!
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