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JT Jag posted:I think they maybe had a point about the pretzels. It was decided that the pretzels could be dunked or coated in yogurt.
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Amergin posted:Great. However, private donations helped cover some of the cost in that article. If we implemented this thing nationwide tomorrow, your tax bill would go down. Stop opposing it out of blind stubborn stupidity.
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The reason welfare programs even exist in the first place is because charity wasn't cutting it. The wealthy and the businesses they own don't give anywhere near the amount required to provide a decent safety net. And just to preempt it, please don't try to sell me a line about how they totally would if it wasn't for some crushing tax burden (that lower then its ever been in modern America).
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Joementum posted:It was decided that the pretzels could be dunked or coated in yogurt. Wait if we can pull this poo poo why were Combos not on the list? This vote was a farce of democracy.
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Munkeymon posted:That's really easy: you don't put it all in one place - spread it out across the whole metro area or whatever. This is not rocket surgery. Also, the fact that the policies that generated the ghetto and the policies to provide low income housing were completely separate. You can easily do one without the other, though it requires there to not be a vested interest in keeping a segment of the policy poor Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 00:03 on May 7, 2014 |
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Joementum posted:It was decided that the pretzels could be dunked or coated in yogurt.
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ATP_Power posted:Kinda surprised we haven't seen "service guarantees citizenship" as some kind of a right wing response to immigration reform. Maybe if Sky Marshall Bachmann had won the primary...
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It was a public safety issue. Pretzels are stone-cold killers.
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GulMadred posted:If we implemented this thing nationwide tomorrow, your tax bill would go down. Stop opposing it out of blind stubborn stupidity. That's giving him too much credit. This is a case where Hanlon's razor is incorrect.
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Sounds like a conspiracy against Trader Joe's peanut-butter-filled pretzel nuggets, which should be the state snack of every state.
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JT Jag posted:That's really flimsly logic there. I can dunk chips in dip, does that mean the dip is the actual snack? Texas compromised on that point. Its official state snack is tortilla chips and salsa.
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OAquinas posted:It was a public safety issue. Pretzels are stone-cold killers. Official Snack of the White House
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Axetrain posted:The reason welfare programs even exist in the first place is because charity wasn't cutting it. The wealthy and the businesses they own don't give anywhere near the amount required to provide a decent safety net. And just to preempt it, please don't try to sell me a line about how they totally would if it wasn't for some crushing tax burden (that lower then its ever been in modern America). Not to mention that shifts in economic health simultaneously either increase demand for charity while reducing charitable donations or decrease demand while increasing donations. The public sector does not have this problem.
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OAquinas posted:It was a public safety issue. Pretzels are stone-cold killers. We are probably lucky this isn't true. President Cheney and Vice President Rumsfeld... Ick
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Here's a direct link to the study: http://shnny.org/research/moore-place-permanent-supportive-housing-evaluation-study.
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ATP_Power posted:Kinda surprised we haven't seen "service guarantees citizenship" as some kind of a right wing response to immigration reform. Maybe if Sky Marshall Bachmann had won the primary... Only "service guarantees citizenship" is literally the Dream Act minus the provision that "service or a college degree guarantees citizenship" that Obama has been pushing and the right wing screams about because anything Obama does is the devil.
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JT Jag posted:That's really flimsly logic there. I can dunk chips in dip, does that mean the dip is the actual snack? It depends on whether or not you double dip.
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Amergin, reading over your posts I noticed something odd about your language. The government doesn't "prevent" anyone from becoming homeless. Camping is completely legal and the couple of homeless dudes I've known well were living out of their backpacks, just like my hippie cousin does for fun. Except, they didn't have cars or houses and they weren't having a lot of fun, and would get hassled by cops if they stayed in one area too long. Sober-living, fortunately employed, but they didn't have a home base and it meant wasting huge portions of the day to do ordinary things. There's a term called "time poor" and while it's a bother when you have means, it's a ball-and-chain when you're homeless. It's better to internalize the term for government's help as "protect" in this case, because as it stands, you can always go camping but you can't always come home.
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Joementum posted:One hour until we find out whether John Boehner suffers from electile dysfunction and if the Speaker of the NC House will have to go into a runoff with a man who thinks the UN's Agenda 21 is going to take away your God given right to own a nuclear weapon Also whether Clay Aiken will come in 2nd place once again tonight or 6 months from now.
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mooyashi posted:Official Snack of the White House Is technically M&Ms.
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Amergin posted:I'm pretty sure this entire thread defines conservative positions as "crappy". Perhaps if right wing positions were less than 'shovel the poor directly into a furnace so that they may be used for heating my summer house in winter when I'm not there." e: also the idea of local business somehow having the spare money or incentive to educate the homeless is hilariously dumb. Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 00:15 on May 7, 2014 |
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Private charities already aren't filling in the gap that currently exists. What makes you think they'd magically start?
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sweart gliwere posted:Amergin, reading over your posts I noticed something odd about your language. The government doesn't "prevent" anyone from becoming homeless. Camping is completely legal and the couple of homeless dudes I've known well were living out of their backpacks, just like my hippie cousin does for fun. Except, they didn't have cars or houses and they weren't having a lot of fun, and would get hassled by cops if they stayed in one area too long. Sober-living, fortunately employed, but they didn't have a home base and it meant wasting huge portions of the day to do ordinary things. There's a term called "time poor" and while it's a bother when you have means, it's a ball-and-chain when you're homeless. I'm totally fine with the government enacting programs to protect the homeless because if they don't there is a fair chance that the government will just strait up murder the homeless. But you know, taxes and all that so gently caress the poor.
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Kalman posted:Is technically M&Ms. 
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A Winner is Jew posted:Only "service guarantees citizenship" is literally the Dream Act minus the provision that "service or a college degree guarantees citizenship" that Obama has been pushing and the right wing screams about because anything Obama does is the devil. It doesn't matter what the mechanism for achieving citizen status is, Republicans just don't want any non-whites in the country period, especially if they would probably vote Democrat.
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PeterWeller posted:It depends on whether or not you double dip.
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Fried Chicken posted:We are probably lucky this isn't true. President Cheney and Vice President Rumsfeld... Ick If you ever wanted to try a bag The incident is strangely absent from their website, but then it looks as if it may not have been updated since before 2002 when it happened.
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JT Jag posted:If you double dip, you are no friend of mine. It's a moral and sanitary issue. Dip, take a bite and dip again, leaving all your germs in the dip? Disgusting. What about the flip and dip?
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Tatum Girlparts posted:God this is such a smug, condescending, stance to take. Wrap it up, everyone, the thread's over. Pong Daddy posted:What about the flip and dip?
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mooyashi posted:If you ever wanted to try a bag I've had them, SAMs club carries them. They are fantastic
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Pong Daddy posted:What about the flip and dip? Only if you put your hand upon your hip, and then when I dip you dip and we dip.
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nutranurse posted:lol that post was a super-joke. I think you're ridiculous for thinking I'd actually advocate for what, as you point out, amounts to turning our troops into bounty hunters. That's freep insane, man. In my defense, we do have a guy in this thread who doesn't think that living on the streets causes emergency health problems and appears to be sincere. And I was mostly talking about the other stuff, not the actual "pay per kill" stuff. Amergin posted:Nobody has responded to my comment on the private donors. It's not like there are private donors and business-owners begging to be allowed to help the poor but getting chased off by the government. And we're struggling to get companies to do job trainings/re-trainings for non-homeless people. Also we have an existing job shortage in the country, so helping a homeless guy beat out someone on UI for a rare open position just swaps which of the two guys winds up homeless. It's a nice idea, but it's pretty darn far-fetched and impractical. Nessus posted:If you think private charity would magically fill in the gaps and provide equal or greater levels of service, I think you have a high bar to prove. Now you may well prefer private charity for other reasons, although I think preferring the moral virtue of private charity to "the actual relief of the needy" tends to go against most theories of morality. And there is certainly a role for private charity in these operations. Bingo - if the solution is private charity, why hasn't the problem been solved? Also charitable donations are pro-cyclical - people donate to charities much more during booms than busts, and it's during the busts that those dollars are most sorely needed.
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Joementum posted:Texas compromised on that point. Its official state snack is tortilla chips and salsa. Minnesota doesn't have a state snack apparently, but our state muffin is blueberry muffins so I'll settle for that. Snackwise you could choose almost anything at the State Fair. Deep fried pickles are goddamn heaven.
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Illinois has popcorn as it's state snack. Some elementary kids got it chosen...dumb kids, kettle corn is where it is at.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Also, isn't it the case that the rich are more likely to donate to stuff like operas, which they predominantly use, while the poor give a higher proportion of their income to charity for the poor than do the rich? On this topic wasn't much of Mitt Romney's charitable donations to his church which used the money to fight against gay marriage in California?
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Amergin posted:Yes, I think the government should prevent children from being homeless. I do not, however, think the government should prevent adults from being homeless. Just world fallacy. I would give my left foot for a society that never mistook bad fortune for poor life choices, or that punished poor life choices with the false assumption that everyone has good judgment, omniscient information about the world, and perfect mental health. Amergin posted:No, I'd rather local governments work with local businesses and shelters/social workers to figure out what training could be provided to the homeless, what skills they currently have, and what roles they could fill in finding jobs to find an apartment themselves. http://www.cmajopen.ca/content/2/2/E69.full Not all these people will ever be able to find work that a free market would provide them. They need support, helping people is a stretch for you unless you get to give the money whenever and however you want, but fortunately governments formed to solve the problems of charity not cutting it anymore. I wish every kid in this country had Rawlsian concepts drilled into their thick heads. We are not cut from the same cloth, struck from the same mold, equal in all things. Many will never be able to aspire to any kind of thing we deem a decent living, but we should be motherfucking magnanimous enough to not see their lives be an endless span of suffering and abuse.
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Illinois has popcorn as it's state snack. Some elementary kids got it chosen...dumb kids, kettle corn is where it is at. Isn't one a flavor of the other?
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Wrap it up, Gohmertailures! The AP has called the OH-08 Republican primary for John Boehner, defeating the guy who got fired from his job over a raunchy campaign ad and a distant relative of George Washington.
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Illinois has popcorn as it's state snack. Some elementary kids got it chosen...dumb kids, kettle corn is where it is at. I don't like kettle corn. I can eat it, but it's one of those foods that shouldn't be sweet and still is, alongside bread and butter pickles, and BBQ sauce in large quantities. Fried Chicken posted:I've had them, SAMs club carries them. They are fantastic I don't care how good they are. Their website uses Comic Sans all over the place. 
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