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Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

An Angry Bug posted:

Not just suffering. Dying. Guess our country is run by flat-out murderers.

Obviously they'll all get jobs now! Ignoring that a) they mostly have jobs and b) there's barely any jobs to be had.

I've been joking that when we were young, it was "Go to college! What, you want to end up working at McDonald's?" So we went, and now there's no jobs, and it's "What, you're too good to work at McDonald's?"

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Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
Can we maybe get a cockfighting and food torture thread instead of filling this thread with it?

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
So he's grazing his cattle on land that isn't his and refusing to pay for it, but confiscating his cattle would be a violation of property rights? Am I getting this correctly?

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

shrike82 posted:

I don't think SA shifted left so much as the lf posters were driven out from their sanctuary into d&d.

Yeah, the closing of LF pushed D&D left in a big way.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
LF was originally a place to dump all the Ron Paul threads that idiots were posting, and then a bunch of lefty types started paying attention to who Ron Paul is and basically ran the Paulsies off the forums, whereupon it became the LF we all knew and (to wildly different degrees) loved.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Fried Chicken posted:

The Indiana Democratic Party groups are drat near off the radar...

How the gently caress does this even happen? Where's the national Dems in this? Is there just not enough money?

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
I always wondered if the national Dems hated Dean for succeeding with the 50 state plan. There's a certain kind of rear end in a top hat who hates just about nobody like they hate people who succeed where they've failed, and I remember thinking in 2006 that Dean probably just pissed off a LOT of people.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Joementum posted:

The best part, in my opinion, is that he's whining about the Federal government's Central Planning program of collecting property taxes.

Joey Ramone: "Go to hell, you old bastard!"
Mr. Burns: "Have the Rolling Stones killed."
Smithers: "But sir, those aren't-"
Mr. Burns: "Do as I say!"

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
A searchable database where you could put in a politician's name and get all the horrible poo poo they've publicly said would be pretty boss.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

It's an anagram for "Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan".

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Nessus posted:

I personally wasn't that shocked by Obama's actual centrist position, but I was kind of shocked it took him this long to realize the Republicans were being completely intransigent. Fair enough to give them an opportunity to work with you, but...

The Republicans have been completely, even excessively clear about their complete unwillingness to do anything but wreck up the joint as long as Obama's the President, and the apparent difficulty Obama's had in understanding that has honestly been kind of shocking. I spent the first four years of his Presidency trying to figure out how anybody could be that dumb. He's got better, but it's still a process of improvement.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

SedanChair posted:

This isn't going to be a kangaroo ticket like Dubya or Obama. Hillary is the gravitas, so they can go sexy with the veep. Just don't pick a literal psychopath like John Edwards.

Edwards is done, done, done. He's outright hated by a lot of people.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

And he'd better loving stay there.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

greatn posted:

What jerry Brown rocks.

His founding of the suede-denim secret police was kind of a bummer, though.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
Bourbon?! Everybody knows the official drink of D&D is whiskey sours!

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Harik posted:

It's pretty simple, really. Traders are mostly in NY, but for whatever reason exchanges are located in NJ. Trades are either submitted over the internet or leased lines. HFT scammers setup an exchange right at the bottleneck and offer a few shares of whatever people are selling on other exchanges. When someone buys them, they snap up all available shares at the other exchanges and re-list them higher.

It works because traders send trades to all the exchanges at the same time, but messages take time to travel at light-speed. The HFT leeches make sure they have a single-fiber no-buffer path from the canary exchange to all the others, so that their reaction to a trade can make it before a less-optimally routed buy order can.

The solution to it was ingenious - find the exact time it took to reach each exchange, and delay messages such that they hit all of them on the same millisecond.

But yes, it's straight-up theft and they're making millions a day doing it.

Edit: The non-technical explanation is they found a "legal" way to get advanced warning of nearly all transactions so they can buy and instantly resell the stock for a small profit. This is also why their arguments of "but but but liquidity!" are a complete joke - the trades would always have gone through without HFT getting in and taking a cut.

That's a pretty clever little scam. If the solution is known, why can it still happen?

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Nessus posted:

What's the point of all this dark pool business, to hide sneaky accounting trickery and/or outright scofflaw behavior?

It also keeps the power with the bank, disempowering investors who have no way of evaluating whether or not they're being done right by.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Putin It In Mah rear end posted:

Crap, my paycheck was a figment of my imagination.

It's cool, all the supply lines involved in creating the things you were going to buy turned out to be imaginary, too.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Dystram posted:

The best I could do the other day was saying something about proportions (which is dumb of me since proportions are pretty much another way to express percentages) and he didn't know wtf I was talking about, which is fine, because I wasn't making any sense anyway.

The term you're looking for is the marginal value of a dollar.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
Apparently the locals are losing patience with the Cliven Bundy Brigade.

quote:

A growing number of Bunkerville residents want to see the armed militiamen guarding rancher Cliven Bundy leave Nevada, according to a letter from Rep. Steven Horsford, D-Nev., to Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie.

Horsford, whose congressional district includes Bunkerville, wrote that his constituents are concerned about Bundy supporters carrying weapons near local churches, schools and elsewhere.

Militia members flocked to Nevada to support Bundy in his fight with the government over his refusal to pay fees for his cattle to graze on federal land.

“I urge you to investigate these reports and to work with local leaders to ensure that their concerns are addressed in a manner that allows the community to move forward without incident,” Horsford wrote to Gillespie.

The letter also says militiamen have a presence on state and local roads as well as federal highways. In some areas, according to the letter, militiamen have set up checkpoints where drivers are stopped and asked to provide a proof of residency.

They’ve been seen carrying high-caliber weapons and keep a round-the-clock security detail on Bundy.

Many of the militiamen, attracted by Bundy’s views on state’s rights and public lands, traveled from across the country to support him in his stand against the Bureau of Land Management.

Bundy owes the BLM $1 million in grazing fees. Earlier this month, the agency called off a roundup of Bundy’s cattle after escalating tensions between federal agents and militia members.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Crain posted:

They'd pop the biggest boners of their lives and start chanting "Charge of the light brigade".

Like any of them have even heard of Tennyson.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
News Flash: Antonin Scalia still a goddamned embarassment:

quote:



It's not often that a Supreme Court justice makes a factual blunder in a formal opinion.

Legal experts say Justice Antonin Scalia erred in his dissent in the 6-2 decision Tuesday to uphold the Environmental Protection Agency's authority to regulate coal pollution that moves across state lines. The Reagan-appointed jurist argued that the majority's decision was inconsistent with a unanimous 2001 ruling which he mistakenly said shot down EPA efforts to consider costs when setting regulations.

"This is not the first time EPA has sought to convert the Clean Air Act into a mandate for cost-effective regulation. Whitman v. American Trucking Assns., Inc., 531 U. S. 457 (2001), confronted EPA's contention that it could consider costs in setting [National Ambient Air Quality Standards]," Scalia wrote in his dissent, which was joined by Justice Clarence Thomas.

The problem: the EPA's position in the 2001 case was exactly the opposite. The agency was defending its refusal to consider cost as a counter-weight to health benefits when setting certain air quality standards. It was the trucking industry that wanted the EPA to factor in cost. The 9-0 ruling sided with the EPA. The author of the ruling that Scalia mischaracterized? Scalia himself.

The conservative justice's error was noted by University of California-Berkley law professor Dan Farber, who called it "embarrassing" and a "cringeworthy blunder."

"Scalia’s dissent also contains a hugely embarrassing mistake. He refers to the Court’s earlier decision in American Trucking as involving an effort by EPA to smuggle cost considerations into the statute. But that’s exactly backwards: it was industry that argued for cost considerations and EPA that resisted," Farber wrote on the environmental law and policy blog Legal Planet. "This gaffe is doubly embarrassing because Scalia wrote the opinion in the case, so he should surely remember which side won! Either some law clerk made the mistake and Scalia failed to read his own dissent carefully enough, or he simply forgot the basics of the earlier case and his clerks failed to correct him. Either way, it's a cringeworthy blunder."

Doug Kendall, the president of the Constitutional Accountability Center, a liberal legal advocacy group, said the error was mystifying and very unusual for a Supreme Court justice.

"It is a mind-blowing misstatement of a basic fact of the American Trucking Association ruling which Justice Scalia himself wrote. And it's not just a stray passage -- it's the basis for an entire section of the dissent," Kendall said. "It is very unusual for to see a passage that so clearly misstates the fundamental facts of a prior ruling, especially one written by the justice himself."

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

cucka posted:

Do you live in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan? As a local of the UP, I feel compelled to ask. Unless you're from some other part of the world that could get roped into a war with Wisconsin and/or Canada, which seems to be a very limited amount of places.

The best thing about the UP is the term "Yooper".

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

OAquinas posted:

So on a scale from "awkward open carry BBQ" to full on "Lord of the Flies," where is the Nevada ranch situation sitting now?

By far and away the best person to follow if you want news on the American Right is this guy named David Neiwert, who maintains the Orcinus blog and appears on radio and TV to talk about it. He's been following the situation closely. Here's the latest update:

dneiwert posted:

It was the imminent drone attack that finally did it.

Paranoid rumors are not only common at gatherings of antigovernment “Patriots,” they’re practically the entire raison d’etre for them. So when a wild and paranoid rumor began circulating – that Attorney General Eric Holder was preparing a drone strike on the armed militiamen who gathered at Cliven Bundy’s ranch in Nevada – it unleashed a rift within the camp, which is brimming with fear, rage, testosterone and firearms.

Vicious infighting among those remaining at the camp – estimated at less than a hundred – broke out a little more than two weeks after heavily armed militiamen forced federal agents to back down from a planned roundup of Bundy’s illegally grazing cattle from public lands. After vowing to stay on and protect Bundy – who then stumbled on the national stage with an outpouring of racist commentary – the remaining “Patriots,” who have been raising fear levels among local residents, have begun feuding. And it has been revealing.

Apparently, someone within one of the major factions at the camp, the Oath Keepers, relayed word of the imminent drone attack to his leaders. Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes responded by pulling his people out of what they called “the kill zone” (the area the supposed drone would be striking). When the other militiamen learned that the Oath Keepers had pulled out, they were outraged.

As you can see in the video above, the angry militiamen – led by a Montana “Patriot” named Ryan Payne, who has been acting as the spokesman for the militiamen at the ranch – held an impromptu gathering at the camp to discuss the situation. They openly talk about shooting Rhodes and other Oath Keepers leaders – because in their view, the Oath Keepers’ actions constituted “desertion” and “cowardice” – and describe how “the whole thing is falling apart over there.” At the end, they vote unanimously to oust the Oath Keepers, or at least its leadership, from the Bundy Ranch camp.


PAYNE: "We are open to gentlemanly conversation. But this man and the people that obeyed that order have violated my personal creed. You don’t loving walk in and say, ‘I’m sorry,’ and you’re back in, brother. You can walk in and say you’re sorry, and you’re lucky that you’re not getting shot in the back. Because that’s what happens to deserters on the battlefield."

For his part, Rhodes and his fellow Oath Keepers are keeping a stiff upper lip about the rejection. Rhodes himself has returned to his Montana home, reportedly for a family birthday, and his underlings say he plans to return. Oath Keepers organizer Elias Alias (aka Franklin Shook) described the incident on the group’s website as an effort “to sabotage the Bundy stand against the government,” and reported that other “Patriot” movement leaders, including militiaman Mike Vanderboegh and Sheriff Richard Mack, remain firmly within their camp.

Alias also tried to explain the incoming-drone rumor:

"Yes, it is true: Oath Keepers received a bizarre bit of leaked info which could not be verified but which also could not be ignored. Our contact is connected with the Department of Defense – or ‘was’. The info we received stated that Eric Holder of the Department of Justice had okayed a drone strike on the Bundy ranch near Bunkerville, Nevada, within a 48 hour period over the weekend of April 26/27, 2014."

That, fortunately, turned out to be ‘dis-info’ – a false rumor. And though it came from a trusted source, Oath Keepers could neither prove nor disprove it.

In the ensuing panic at the camp, “Oath Keepers advised people there to consider evacuation,” Alias said. He referred to the angry reaction of the militiamen as “backwash”.

He also admitted that there was a great deal of contention about how $40,000 raised on behalf of the Bundy family through the Oath Keepers was handled, since the organization wound up only writing the family a check for $12,500.

Another YouTube video, which has since been removed, but transcripts of which were posted at DailyKos, revealed the depths of the militiamen’s animus towards Rhodes and his organization. One of them – the nominal “head of security” for the Bundy family, a man nicknamed “Booda Bear” – rants angrily:

"My guys sleep in the dirt out here, we’re on shifts for 14 hours a day and trying to make sure that this family stays safe and secure … and just so everybody knows, as Booda, head of security for the Bundy Family I can swear on the white skin that covers my rear end there will not be an Oath Keeper — there WILL NOT BE AN OATH KEEPER allowed to set foot on the internal ranch property."

Alias responded to these slurs by suggesting that “Booda” and pals were actually FBI plants:

"Some of the purported “leaders” of the militia at the ranch are doing exactly what any agent provocateur would do after having infiltrated the militia and claimed a role in leadership. Did you notice the massive ego about who is going to command who? Did you notice the drama in the tendency to speak of Oath Keepers as if we were a militia, which we are not. These militia “leaders” would judge us by battlefield standards even though there has not been a “battlefield” since April 12, 2014? They would shoot us for desertion? Really? That is amazing, and is the kind of bumbling consciousness which a conditioned and programmed special warfare officer or a federal agent would offer if he had to think on his feet of a sudden."

“Patriots” often talk about fighting what they see as a second Civil War in America soon. But as the militiamen at the Bundy Ranch are demonstrating, the civil wars they end up fighting are usually within their own ranks.

So basically they're falling apart due to infighting.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Jagchosis posted:

I'm going to go ahead and guess that at least some people will die in this whole thing before it's over.

Don't worry, anything that happens is by definition a FALSE FLAG

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Boon posted:

I'm pretty sure Bush is going to be remembered for the biggest economic collapse since 1929.

Not if the Republicans can help it. They're already trying to blame Obama for the 2008 crash and bailouts.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Swan Oat posted:

Bush is too smart to have caused that.



Is that a new av? Because that is hilarious.

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Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

fits my needs posted:

Former Presidents get Secret Service protection for life, right? I wonder if the SS has foiled attempts on his life or if the left is really just a bunch of blowhards who wanted him to be tried in the ICJ for war crimes which would/will never happen.

So wanting him to tried for war crimes and not attempting to assassinate a former US president makes you a blowhard? Am I understanding the crazy in this post correctly?

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