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Gygaxian
May 29, 2013
I don't have a particular article, but I recommend everybody read up about Utah's attempt to re-ban gay marriage. It's pretty hilarious. First it was forgetting to file a request for a stay, then it was three weeks of running about trying to figure out how to file anything (as the old AG resigned due to a corruption scandal), and now it's asking the courts if Utah can re-submit their legal argument because it's got almost a hundred spelling and grammar errors.

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Gygaxian
May 29, 2013
As a Utahn, I'd like to formerly apologize for Jon McNaughton's paintings. He's a Mormon artist, and gets a lot of his money from Mormons with a Constitution fetish. The few Mormon liberals here in Utah (like me) hate him more than you can imagine. He's like Glenn Beck, if Beck vomited on a canvass.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013

Joementum posted:

Someone is planning a big Libertarian rally in D.C. on May Day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-QvSgyWA18

It'll be interesting to find out which of the hundred or so Koch groups is financing this. :allears:

edit: Ha! It's CEI.

Man, that's some tasty propaganda right there. Can you feel the self-delusion?

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013
So there's an investment banker running as an Elizabeth Warren-esque populist for New York State Assembly.

quote:


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“Reactionary forces are strong,” he told his neighbors from New York’s affluent Upper East Side, their forks and knives clinking as they ate mushroom tart. “But the progressive side is stronger. And both time and right are on our side.”

Christensen didn’t quit banking just to head a local political club. With investors Tom Perkins and Ken Langone comparing the battle against inequality to Nazism, the language they despise is fueling the 42-year-old’s nascent campaign for New York State Assembly, a job that pays $79,500 a year. Money from working two decades on Wall Street will help fund his mutiny against some of its treasured principles.

In his dinner speech, Christensen’s voice lurched and swelled to find the rhythm of the pulpit. He preached stronger rights for workers and women, tougher regulation, cheaper housing and “progress on inequality itself.”
Ayn Rand

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Christensen, once a JPMorgan derivatives trader and a Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) banker who worked on casino deals, mocked the vanity of Ayn Rand novels financiers adore, put his minimum-wage goal at $15 an hour and praised Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren’s efforts to curb the banks that once paid him.


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December was his last month on Wall Street. In mid-January he disclosed contributions of $145,000 on top of a $250,000 loan he made to his nascent campaign. By the end of March his full name, Gustavus Adolphus Henry Christensen IV, was grist for a fake Twitter feed whose icon is the mustachioed Monopoly man. The page calls him a “Gazillionaire banker.”

Even friends and colleagues who support his decision to give up banking have asked why he doesn’t want to go to Washington, or why he would want to become a politician.

“The laws that affect our day-to-day lives as New Yorkers most are laws that are written in Albany,” Christensen said.

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He wants to fund programs for the poor by raising taxes on the rich, expand New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio’s push for universal prekindergarten to daycare, release thousands of nonviolent drug offenders from prison and boost the minimum wage and tax credits.
Any NY goons know anything about this guy? He seems to be an interesting character, even if he's just pandering.

Also, his name is Gustavus Adolphus Henry Christensen IV, which is awesome.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013

Wildlife Analysis posted:

I can't answer your question, but if a rich guy wants to jump on the progressive bandwagon then I'm not going to stop him. Even if it just comes down to him seeing the writing on the wall, it is better that he fight for the progressive cause than status quo New York liberal policy.

Yeah, it's genuinely exciting that those who want power think that advocating progressive populism is the way to go.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013
So I went to the Salt Lake County Democratic convention the other day, and will go to the Utah Democratic State Convention in a couple of weeks. Spoiler alert, we're still screwed and will probably lose more legislative seats and Jim Matheson's seat. But hey, at least we have our ideological squabbling between the Republican-lites and the lefties! :rolleyes:

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013

Ofaloaf posted:

The Michigan Democratic Party has been organizing some training sessions for mid-level volunteers and hired campaign guns; so far, I have learned that the optimal organization structure is not too centralized or decentralized(!!!), and that before I can tell the narrative of any candidate's campaign I must learn the story of self and the theory of change.

The MDP at least also spent a whole session talking about number-crunching and how relatively useless yard signs are these days. Robo-calls apparently are only half-effective with senior citizens- everybody just ignores them, and they end up being a huge waste of money.

The UDP just whines about how the state is controlled by Republicans and about how diverse the Dems are and such. They like the idea of reaching out to Mormons but the base (who are generally not Mormon) hates it (and Mormons) and the establishment has no idea how to convince Mormons to believe in even center-left ideas.

The establishment also likes to present the steadily decreasing number of Utah Democratic legislators as a win, because at least we didn't lose more! I mean, I get it, it's Utah, but we really could do better.

Also, the LDS Dems caucus is pathetic, and I say this as an LDS Dem myself (albeit a Bernie Sanders-esque one). We have a lot of people, but no one willing to change their fellow Mormons minds, no one willing to go out and volunteer, no one wiling to do anything but endorse Jim friggin Matheson and call it good.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013

Fried Chicken posted:

*Indiana Dem stuff*

It is the same with things like voter databases. We see how powerful they are, but no one wants to keep them up to date in off years so they are useless until a presidential campaign or a big name senate campaign makes them update it.

But gently caress yeah we have lawn signs I guess?

Definitely, it's the same with the Utah Dems. Back in 2008 we managed to win 3 counties and elected quite a few Dems to the legislature (as well as giving Matheson a huge win). But since then, we've failed with our voter database, we've failed at candidate recruitment, we've begun infighting (with as small as the Utah Dems are, that's just pathetic), and none of our statewide candidates have won even a single county. But at least we've got a couple of lawn signs (and usually not even that).

Nessus posted:

Yeah, I don't actually understand this at all - is it because they upset the apple cart? You'd think at a certain point they'd prefer to be the winning party.

Again, Utah Dems are the same way; progressive dude is successful? Purge him, we want Matheson to give us money for our failed campaigns. Someone wants to try a different tactic? Nope, can't have that. Someone complains about our 30-year decline? Well, they're just a Debbie Downer! Someone asks why the most promising young UDP organizers get hired away by Matheson or the national Dems? Ignore that; we've got more failing candidates to work for!

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013

Magres posted:

Yeah this doesn't exactly make him a champion of minority rights. The fact that he's not screaming "SHOOT ALL THE WETBACKSILLEGALS" doesn't make him someone who isn't a whiny, privileged idiot. There's plenty of room for people to be privileged twits without being overtly racist.

Wait, Huckabee didn't claim that the entire population of NYC is unAmerican? Clearly a RINO.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013

Mo_Steel posted:

Maybe, but every time that's ever happened to me in real life it's been "I'll bet you a million loving dollars" because the point is to make it extraordinarily absurd.

The point is that Mitt Romney shouldn't be making bets, because 1) they highlight how much of a rich, out-of-touch plutocrat he is, and 2) He's Mormon, and betting is highly frowned upon in Mormon culture. Mitt was the LDS golden boy (except for us few Mormon progressives) and so he got away with it, but for any other Mormon presidential candidates, that kind of bet would raise a few eyebrows, at least. Huntsman probably would have been dinged a bit.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013

Whiskey Sours posted:

If Hillary is the nominee it won't be Schumer or Gillibrand for VP.

Or Cuomo. Unless Hillary decides to pretend she's running as an Arkansan.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013

Rhesus Pieces posted:

Al Franken/Jill Stein 2016.

Purely for the bumper stickers.

I kind of wish there was a politician with the last name of "Colonel", so that we can have Colonel/Sanders.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013

zoux posted:

Ugh can you imagine having to eat lunch or just generally hang out with Mike Lee and Ted Cruz?

Welcome to Utah, that's pretty much everyone.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013

JT Jag posted:

I can imagine a number of conservatives out there that would be pretty pleasant to talk to about non-politics stuff.

Like, I could probably work out and talk about sports with Paul Ryan even if I'm fully aware he's a monster who is out to destroy the underclass.

But Mike Lee and Ted Cruz are the sort of people who I suspect have no redeeming values whatsoever. My guess is that it's unpleasant to even be around them.

Mike Lee really loves pirates (as in the "aaarr" type, he's repeatedly talked about his dream of getting a letter of marquee one day). But that's about it.

Cruz though, he's basically soulless.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013

Raskolnikov38 posted:

Oh good I was starting to get worried that Lee might have grown a spine and become independent of Cruz.

You know, I have no idea why Mike Lee's so attached to Cruz; Lee was elected first, and he certainly did his own thing (he was Rand Paul's buddy, but not his minion) before Cruz came along. I'm at a lose to explain why he's Cruz's minion now.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013

Blindeye posted:

This man knows what's up.

In minor GOP news, Utah's mostly stuck with incumbents over crazier people, a bit disappointing (to me) but what can you do?

http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2014/04/26/utah-gop-convention-preliminary-results/

They did get rid of the "carbon is good for the environment" guy though.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013
You Texans make me sad when you bring up Ann Richards because we Utahns don't have a Ann Richards of Utah or any other relatively recent liberal hero.

Gygaxian
May 29, 2013

ReindeerF posted:

Yeah, we sound like Marcus Aurelius in Gladiator. There one was a dream called Texas...

Let me try it out. There once was a dream called Utah... Yeah, that doesn't work so well. Of course, the last Democratic governor we had that didn't have the name "Matheson" was back in the 60s and 70s.

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Gygaxian
May 29, 2013

Cimber posted:

Sarah Palin: If I were in charge....they would know that waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7vdAlzh-jo

I forgot how much of a word salad Palin's speeches were.

Also, that baptism quote is one of the most blasphemous things I've ever heard. And the cheering! That's just awful.

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