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When do I get to see the incredibly sweet Earth Engine fight stuff again?  Seriously, it's really hard to connect to Teppei or understand what everyone's flipping their poo poo about because they haven't bothered to explain anything yet. What happens if the bad guys make it to earth? They didn't really seem to have a problem making it to earth in their human forms, and Teppei was able to manifest his Evil Robot Form from a place on Earth, so why don't they just cut out the middle man? Why do we care about Teppei's dad again? I'm not opposed to character development but usually you save deep character development for when the framework of your plot and how the characters tie into it are already established. We don't even understand the details of the primary conflict yet and we're diving into political factions and what it means to be human and what it means to be a father and and and  Also I may kill myself if I hear "Logical, Logical~" again.
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Darth Walrus posted:I think the other thing is that all Kiltgangs are summonable from that big base on the moon (including Teppei's), so GLOBE's job is to prevent them from getting from there to here. You can't just summon one directly next to you and go 'lol I win'. That's basically what Teppei did, though. Like Phobophilia said, his Kiltgang popped into being directly within Earth's final defense zone before the atmosphere.
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May 6, 2014 13:16
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I love how the Ark plan is "Well maybe if we put the elites in cryosleep in orbit they won't notice and kill them when they kill everyone else."
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May 11, 2014 05:10
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Opposing Farce posted:I'm pretty consistently amused by how generally useless the Earth Engine is. It doesn't even appear to be armed besides the shoulder vulcans and the beam guns on the arms. The only thing it seems to have going for it is being pretty damned durable compared to the Kiltgangs; it gets the poo poo beaten out of it regularly and keeps on ticking while the Kiltgangs tend to blow up the moment they take a solid hit of any sort.
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May 20, 2014 09:04
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So, if I'm clear on this, the designer children are artifically created host bodies for Kiltgang intelligences residing somewhere around Jupiter in their big fancy ship that's out of juice. How the gently caress does Teppei self-identify as a human if his body is a shell for a Kiltgang?
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May 21, 2014 23:13
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Darth Walrus posted:Because he was raised human (for a given value of 'raised'), spends most of his time in a human body, and prefers humans to the Kiltgang? He was raised in a locked camp by people who did things like attach shock collars to his head. They even make a big deal over the fact that once Daichi arrives and blows up the transmitter the base commander is like "Man I should have let you guys leave the building a long time ago".
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May 21, 2014 23:24
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If it weren't for the rad as gently caress robot design I'd probably drop the show because it's really bad at explaining itself and the characters are really loving stupid. "You know, I could win everything right now by flying around for a minute, but I'd rather laugh like an idiot and get myself blown up and my plans foiled". Also I love how they explicitly say "It's on the next pier over!" but have to go through a ridiculously convoluted sequence of converting a cargo container into a loving railgun to launch the Earth Engine a hundred yards to the side.
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May 25, 2014 03:40
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:Man I gotta say, I'm really enjoying this show just for the gorgeous transformation and launch sequences. When it actually gets to the mecha, this show is pretty much mecha porn. As for this episode, I guess we can confirm that the writers have a tremendous obsession with Akari.
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May 31, 2014 20:55
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:Logical~ logical~! While the character being a cutesy Mary Sue is a bit annoying(This 17 year old girl can hack literally anything in the world in seconds with no effort from a laptop in the middle of nowhere!), I have to admit that the hardass "Well, okay, if you demand I blow up Earth's last defenses instead I'm literally going to wipe out all life on the planet with nuclear missiles simply to ruin your plans if you don't let me go" act, coupled with Malkin's "Holy gently caress she's not kidding" reaction was pretty goddamn awesome.
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Jun 1, 2014 02:08
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Stall_19 posted:So 12 year old girl can end all human life at her leisure. Whelp, no one better piss her off. She's 17. All of the kids in this show are 17, for some reason.
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Jun 1, 2014 16:22
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Gyra_Solune posted:...you know I feel like SRW would switch around this arc and the previous one, because currently the show is veering into the bad guys recruiting members and trying to activate their death robots while the hero stops them in his little tiny armor mech, but the previous episodes were launching into space and making that robot super powered to fight those very death robots, while his best friend makes the 'AUUUGH I'M AN ALIEEEEN' reveal dramatically and brings out his own death robot. I feel like a more coherently written series would do the same.
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Jun 2, 2014 03:11
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Dexo posted:To be fair she specifically said she blew all of the backdoors that she knew about. So she couldn't do it again. Presumably there's no way in loving hell Globe will ever let her go anywhere alone ever again now, so I don't think that's really a concern.
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Jun 8, 2014 03:05
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Two things about this episode: 1. Holy gently caress, can someone assign these kids some armed guards? Please? This is like the fifth time the enemy has directly attacked them on foot, and it looks like it's going to happen yet again. 2. The Nebula is cool as gently caress.
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Jun 8, 2014 10:59
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From my reading "Neoteny" basically translates to "Non-Kiltgang who can actively channel Orgone energy at will".
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Jun 17, 2014 00:59
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To add on to what Opposing Farce said, Macbeth CEO Guy has been consciously working with the Kiltgangs for a while(and doing things like making Designer Children and Machine Goodfellows for them) because he wants the Kiltgangs to kill everyone on Earth but the people hiding in cryosleep so that he can rule the post-apocalypse Earth. He's getting played by the evil computer and the cryosleep people are gonna die too, of course. They really haven't explained why activating a Machine Goodfellow involves them attaching it to a giant easily noticeable robot and stomping around with it for a few minutes yet(and I suspect they never will because it seems to be a conceit to let us get some Earth Engine Ordinary fighting action), nor have they explained why they don't just go activate 3 or 4 of them at the same time from a boat in the middle of the ocean or something. Come to think of it, they also never explain why Globe doesn't track where the Machine Goodfellow pod is going when it visibly rockets off into the sky like an ejector seat when Daichi blows up the robot it's attached to. This fighting immortal aliens thing would be pretty easy if we sent a few security teams and rounded them up and threw them in prison when they're stuck on foot. Kanos fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jun 17, 2014 |
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Jun 17, 2014 18:11
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Opposing Farce posted:I think what they've established is the Machine Goodfellows were explicitly developed as fighting robots for regular humans to pilot, and their Kiltgang-related true purpose is a secret to most people. They don't have to turn into robots and stomp around waiting for their space energy to charge, but the fact that they can conveniently means they have a way to defend themselves when they're too impatient to move somewhere they won't get shot at by hostile Earth Engines. I mean yeah it's an excuse for robot action but they'd have a much better success rate if they just hid the Machine Goodfellow in a warehouse for three minutes, considering Globe's only way to detect these things is Hana's squirrel saying "There will be a machine goodfellow in this twenty mile radius sometime in the next couple of days or something".
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Jun 17, 2014 18:45
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Lurking Haro posted:Don't forget that the designer children are also just avatars and their actual mind is in those fancy cubes. The fact that Teppei destroyed his outright and didn't turn into a vegetable while still retaining his Kiltgang memories suggests that it isn't quite this clear-cut.
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Jul 20, 2014 21:12
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Finally got around to watching the last couple of episodes as catch-up. Jesus christ, the people who write this show are absolutely allergic to actually explaining anything to the audience. Hana's little freakout followed by Daichi going "no it's cool I know who/what you are it's fine" is surreal as poo poo because they never bother to explain who/what she is to the audience and you're just kind of expected to have picked up on it by inference and conjecture. Also the recent mech scenes have been super lazy and boring even though the designs are still rad as poo poo.
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Jul 22, 2014 13:30
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The Muffinlord posted:I knew who Hana was the minute they showed Siren with one of those space squirrels. They're still quite ambiguous over it. Siren is Planetary Gear Royalty, but the Gears treat Hana quite differently and with open hostility(but seemingly still need her for something involving Blume). Teppei also mentions that Hana was created using material from Planetary Gear royalty, which suggests she's some kind of artificial being and/or different from the others.
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Jul 22, 2014 14:18
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The Muffinlord posted:The fact that she was a little kid the same time Daishi and Teppei were would bear that out, but she definitely has Planetary Gear powers, or some of them at least. I doubt she's immortal, but she used her singularity on the Blume, didn't she? They're also super vague as to what her singularity is. They imply very strongly that it's related to precognition, which would have nothing to do with activating Blume which would make that some other power she has. Basically what I'm saying is the writing in this show is really scattershot and lovely and relies on the audience trying to string together conclusions from randomly scattered throwaway lines and inferences. It's really annoying.
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Jul 22, 2014 15:00
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ninjewtsu posted:This show is the kind of show that I would have absolutely dropped long ago if I were watching it all at once, but in bite sized weekly chunks I think it's worth it. The robots are super rad but they don't really do that much and it's really disappointing.
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Aug 4, 2014 07:08
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I've been trying watching this in three episode chunks to see if it makes the writing any more coherent and satisfying, but it really hasn't. The Salty Dog poo poo is really, really stupid. What on earth is the endgame for them? Even if they get what they want, how do they plan to get her to do what they want once they plug her into Blume where no one can touch her anymore besides Daichi? I could understand if they wanted to kidnap her friends and hold them as hostages to manipulate her into doing what they want or something but they just want to straight up kill them, which would probably adversely affect their plan that completely, entirely, and solely relies on her willing participation. The show even lampshades this and promptly handwaves it. "Hey even if we successfully kidnap Hana she probably won't do anything we say." "No, it's fine, she has a teenage girl's mentality."  And then the next episode preview talks about more Salty Dog poo poo. What the hell, she's in the loving ship, they can't really kidnap her anymore.
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Aug 12, 2014 13:14
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Guyver posted:I'm not going to argue that the plot isn't kind of convoluted and weirdly paced but this is obviously part of the theme they're going for. That is cooperation between the generations is a good thing and that the old shouldn't dismiss the young. The same sentiment was expressed last episode when Daichi met the old guy on the station who remarked that he's no hero just some boy. To them Hana is just some little girl who can be made to do what they want and Daichi would just crumble under the pressure because they are children. Both being shown to be far from the truth. The show even has the Saltydog rep remark how the old and the young work well together at the Tanegashima base. Hell the Kill-T-Gang are basically old humanity trying to suck the life out of the young humanity. They call Daichi a neoteny which is something that keeps aspects of it's juvenile form into adulthood. This "old people not having respect for the young" thing would have been a lot more poignant and make a lot more sense if they had placed it at the beginning of the series before everyone on the Midsummer's Knights became a proven hardened combat veteran with multiple Kiltgang kills under their belt. Having Salty Dog treat them like idiot children who can be easily manipulated at this point just paints the organization as stupid as hell rather than dismissive and disrespectful. Placing this stuff earlier in the series would help the pacing a whole shitload too because we're currently ping-ponging between "Let's go fight world-ending alien invaders" and "Let's deal with inter-office politics and idiots in black suits" so fast it's going to cause whiplash.
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Aug 17, 2014 00:37
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Alectai posted:Except they did? I'm pretty sure the first seven or eight episodes were all about "Salty Dog and the rest of the Ark Faction sabotaging them because "There's no way that kids can solve this problem" " Yeah, they did do the plot at the beginning already. And now they're doing it again. For some reason. Even though it really doesn't make any loving sense at this point, since Salty Dog's own solutions to the aliens(unmanned Impactors) have been proven repeatedly to be completely and totally loving useless and the Engines are the only thing that have successfully worked at all, so them actively attempting to sabotage the Intercept Faction all the time at this point despite having absolutely no idea when the Kiltgang will attack next basically boils down to playing insanely dangerous brinksmanship with total species suicide. You know, explicitly the opposite of what the stated goal of the Ark Faction is. I mean poo poo, say they kill Daichi/Teppei and kidnap Hana and get the Blume. What happens if a Kiltgang comes along while they're hooking the cryopod ship up to the Blume before they leave? They're hosed. Cooperation, even though they may not really like it, is absolutely the only thing that makes sense at this point. I don't mind cartoony villains, but I don't like villains whose decisions and actions make absolutely no sense and actively sabotage their own goals.
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Aug 17, 2014 12:13
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Zydrate posted:I'm starting to think I'm the only idiot still watching this show. It really isn't good and yet each week I turn it on hoping that maybe this episode will make it worthwhile. Sunk cost be damned. I catch up every few weeks. It's actually gotten worse over time.
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Sep 7, 2014 03:23
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Pyronic posted:Im still watching every week, but I'm just still kind of baffled how they could go from something so stylish and satisfying from episode to episode to something this slow and plodding. It's because they have this really weird thing about repeating themselves over and over and over and loving over. The Salty Dog stuff we're doing right now is a larger-scale retread of something they covered at the very beginning. Daichi angsting over having to pull the trigger if it means killing his friend is something they already covered several episodes ago. Them fighting a gigantic evil impactor is something they just did a little while ago. The show is so desperate to repeat things it already has done that it doesn't have any time to actually do anything new.
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Sep 7, 2014 21:22
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galagazombie posted:Only like half of the Glittering Crux could really be considered "evil." Heck wasn't one of the factions goals trying to keep the others from blowing up the planet? And most of the rest weren't really trying to kill tons of people save Head who didn't get a redemption. The KT-gang on the other hand have proven themselves willing psychopaths almost to the man the whole show, yet we pretty much know they'll get off scott-free The only one of them who ever demonstrated any traits other than "totally evil crazy person" from the moment they awakened was Bugbear, and even then his attitude basically boiled down to "I've got nothing left to live for anymore so gently caress it". I guess Seiren hasn't been actively evil but she's had literally no development whatsoever.
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Guyver posted:That might be part of it but it does seem like she's pretty conflicted on what to do. She puts on the same pained face when ever Amara starts cheer leading team Kill All Humans. Her conversation with Daichi supports this. If doctor lady didn't manipulate and use her she might have sided with Teppei but people hurt her so she wants to hurt them back. All of which makes Kanos' statement about her not getting any development strange to me. The sum total of Seiren's development is "Lives with doctor lady, doctor lady turns out to be psychopath, awaken as Kiltgang, fade entirely into background to be used as Kiltgang power generator". Having a core motivation during her intro episode does not equal development; if that was true Zin and Incredibly Obnoxious Idol both qualify as having development and they really, really do not. One note characters are not developed.
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Sep 15, 2014 23:36
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Astro Nut posted:Though... I feel like the twist with Puck is just gonna end up used as an excuse to let the Kiltgang off easy for all the stuff they've done by making them into technical good guys for the final fight. Seriously, god drat it. The show is ending next episode and they're going to spend the entire time fighting Generic Megalomaniacal Evil AI. This show is infuriating to me because the ingredients for something interesting and good are there but they waste so much time repeating themselves and emphasizing all the boring generic parts that they never actually deal with the good stuff. If they had excised the entire Salty Dog plot and Puck didn't exist we might have had enough time to actually make the Kiltgangs into fleshed out characters and make them interesting villains. Most of the Kiltgang(everyone except Zin and Aiatar) had momentary flashes of actually being a multi-faceted character - Amarok's rivalry with Daichi and confusion at Teppei's actions, Malkin's inquiring if Amarok found her attractive, Bugbear's backstory(easily the most interesting of all of them), Lieban's speed thing when Teppei beat her, Seiren's "I don't know if I'm ready to walk that path yet" - but none of them are given enough focus to actually expand on any of this, which is a huge shame. We also totally dropped interesting plot threads related to our protagonists like Teppei's father. As for the most recent episode, it was pretty hilarious how everyone poo poo their pants about Teppei destroying his own ego block and how it looked like our protagonists actually achieved something when they killed Bugbear but whoops nevermind Space Princess can resurrect them anyway even if their ego blocks blow up.
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Well, that ended about as generically as possible. Given the amount of time they had left I can't really fault the ending we got but man oh day did they drop the ball on basically every interesting thing about the show in favor of the most boring ending sequence possible.
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