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Redeye Flight
Mar 26, 2010

God, I'm so tired. What the hell did I post last night?
Who're the Left Bloc and the CDU, are those the S&D and the GUE/NGL? Or is one of them the Greens/EFA alliance? I'm assuming the Left Bloc and CDU are local-level equivalents of the federal-level parties.

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Redeye Flight
Mar 26, 2010

God, I'm so tired. What the hell did I post last night?

VitalSigns posted:

The SPD's vote in the Reichstag to unanimously support the German Empire's 1914 declaration of war?

That was pretty successful in eliminating the Kaiser and letting them govern a German Republic like they always wanted...you know...eventually.

I'm not sure I would call the consequences of that vote a success, by any real measure.

Redeye Flight
Mar 26, 2010

God, I'm so tired. What the hell did I post last night?

R. Mute posted:

What do euroscepticism and the democratisation of the EU have to do with each other?

I get the impression that a lot of the people who had been calling for democratization now just want to dismantle the whole affair, so democratization has lost steam.

Personally, I think the idea of a federal European state is cool, but A. I may be biased, being an American, and B. since I am an American, it's not my place to say.

Redeye Flight
Mar 26, 2010

God, I'm so tired. What the hell did I post last night?

Mans posted:

There needs to be a separation between the foreign policy of the EU and the United States. It's bad enough we went along with the Americans into worthless wars in the Middle East and suffer metro bombings because of it, if they and Russia care so much about reviving the Cold War then let them play pretend war, just leave EU citizens out of it.

I swear to Christ, we don't want to start another Cold War any more than you do. Don't take the screaming jabbering from the right as an accurate summation of the country. A very large majority of the country (about 74%, I think) was polled as saying they want nothing to do with war in the Ukraine. We don't even want to arm the bastards, we are sick sick sick of war.

Whether the MIC wants another war may be a different matter (of course they do, it makes them money), but the populace isn't going to go along with it. The more keyed-in people are watching Russia's economy disintegrate after the sanctions and trying to explain that there's more than one way to skin a bear.

Redeye Flight
Mar 26, 2010

God, I'm so tired. What the hell did I post last night?

Electronico6 posted:

Also I'm not sure if Schultz is for real. In the closing statements he talks about how people(euro-citizens) are "struggling with 1000 euros(every day????)". I imagine he is talking about wages. Maybe in Germany 1000 euros is what you give as tip for cab drivers, but there's a lot of people out there in Europe who would consider a 1000 euros a month enough to feel like winning the lottery.

Let's be fair, here, 12000 E/year is still not a lot. That's... roughly 16k dollars a year. That's above the poverty line according to the US Metric, but according to the British metric (near as I can tell) that's scraping the line, at best.

Just another reminder of how bad things have gotten over here, I suppose. Anyway, it's certainly out of touch but not wildly so, and he's not saying horrendous poo poo like some of our pols do. I haven't forgotten Ann Romney talking about how at one point she and Mitt were so hard up, they had to sell some of his stock!

Edit: Yeah, according to some quick Googling Germany's poverty line sits at 6.61 a day, a whole loving dollar and a half more than here. So 1000 euros a month would just about place you at the poverty line there.

Redeye Flight fucked around with this message at 03:51 on May 11, 2014

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