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LemonDrizzle posted:Good OP. The British press has been talking up Helle Thorning-Schmidt as a potential compromise candidate for the presidency of the commission - is she considered plausible elsewhere in Europe?
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Mans posted:This is a game of chess that must be played on the long run. No one expected any positive change in these elections, but in the future they might prove useful. At the very least they showed that for those that bothered voting, the populace is very much so on a different stance than those in power in Ireland, Greece, Spain or Portugal (in Italy they protest voted by voting on the ruling party which is weird as hell but somewhat understandable when you see that the ruling party isn't an EPP drone). France and Denmark are hosed, breaking eggs to make omelettes etc, etc...
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Torrannor posted:I don't get it
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Lunsku posted:Seriously though, as much as I dislike them, True Finns just don't belong on the same page there with the likes of Golden Dawn, Jobbik or NPD. Lunsku posted:As a note to foreigners, I see True Finns as a populist, conservative, economically centre-left anti-federalist party, but one that has the most of its growth come from general unhappiness with the policies of the three established cabinet parties (NC, Centre, Social Democrats) during 00s governments, and general grumbling about EU this and EU that. There's a notable but clear minority anti-immigration faction, which for sure had its ideological center elected as one of the TF MEPs, but I'd be wary to overstate how big that really is. Your general TF supporter immigration views probably don't stray that much from the conservative National Coalition (EPP) or Centre Party (ALDE, ehh) supporters.
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A Pale Horse posted:In some circles any sort of desire for immigration control is automatically branded racist and people intentionally fail to make the distinction. YF-23 posted:Note that this does not work when yours is a gateway country to the EU such as Greece. Electronico6 posted:So was Portugal. Morocco, Luso-African countries, South America, India, China, and during the early '00 Eastern Europeans, especially from the Ukraine. There was a boom at the turn of the century, and for a brief window Portugal(and Spain) had inverted the tendency of being a nation of emigrants, into a nation of immigrants. The crisis stopped that, with many of those immigrants returning home, and with Portugal going back to it's number one export: Portuguese. e: 90% sounds like a lot, so it's probably only illegal immigrants, come to think of it. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 00:06 on May 27, 2014 |
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May 26, 2014 23:57
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Mans posted:How cute, a bunch of people arguing about how the only moral immigration controls are their immigration controls Mans posted:There's more than enough land and wealth to accommodate people used to living in absolute squalor in war-thorn shitholes, as long as you don't gut their social support they won't turn into Front National strawmans.
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May 27, 2014 08:48
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kissekatt posted:Conversely, it only includes a certain brand of Eurosceptics, the rightwing racist/nationalist Eurosceptics. *Which is a similar approach to the one they have with unions. They don't try to tie unions directly to the party like Social Democrats, but just work together on a direct personal level for specific causes. Xoidanor posted:...and right there you hit the nail on the head. The reasons these nationalistic movements grow and are so popular among disenfranchised youth is because they feel that they have not been given exactly that. They feel that they're getting coldly shoved aside by a society that doesn't want them in favor of others who weren't even born in their countries. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 13:47 on May 27, 2014 |
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May 27, 2014 13:45
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Nektu posted:While it is true that noone in germany wants to control the southern states, I guess that there would have to be some kind of compensation if the creditcard gets more use. And what else is left if not influence? e: Could Eurobonds, alongside a discontinuation of the insane austerity policies, be used to get the EU out of the current slump? And then later, when people can see things going in the right direction, a Eurozone tax and direct transfer system is introduced as a necessary measure to prevent a repeat of the original Eurocrisis? I'm basically a huge supporter of an Ideal EU, but pretty drat skeptical about the Actual EU, so I wouldn't mind hearing there are real options here if the politicians get their heads out of their asses. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 22:56 on May 27, 2014 |
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May 27, 2014 22:47
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Electronico6 posted:Paws, tentacles, what horrible lovecraft nightmare has the EU turned into?
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System Metternich posted:I read an article in the German SPIEGEL magazine today which tried to list the positions of all EU member states concerning Juncker:
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GaussianCopula posted:And for the Keynesian theorists out there, where were you before the crisis, when according to your theory the countries should not have gone deeper into debt but should have established a rainy day found.
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Mans posted:Because GaussianCopula is doing the same thing, only with CDU-backed entrepeneurs walking in the background carrying backs with "VIELE EUROS" written on them.
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CSM posted:This statement is utter rubbish. You know nothing about economics.
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Ardennes posted:So what happens if another global crisis comes along? 
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Xoidanor posted:This is why putting the ball in the parliaments court in the first place was an incredibly short sighted move.
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Jun 26, 2014 23:04
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Randler posted:So using your number of 4,000,000 it wouldn't be about 4,000,001 and 4,000,002 but about 40,000,000 or 400,000.
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Jun 27, 2014 16:58
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Electronico6 posted:It wasn't like Juncker was a choice that everyone was okay with from the beginning. Sweden and Netherlands were opposed to him, France and Italy stalled on the issue for quite some time and even Hollande was throwing (dumb) names around. If Cameron was half the statesman that he believes himself to be he could've find support in the EU, to at least bring this question to a larger debate. Instead he adopted a position that would pull well with the British electorate "Juncker is a federalist! Centralization", but this didn't pull as well with the rest of Europe, with the exception of Hungary, so Sweden and Netherlands voted in support, and France and Italy votes yes so they could move on with their lives.
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Reveilled posted:Well, if you listen to those on the far right:
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Nektu posted:Oh geez you old naysayer. Lets just
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Sep 9, 2014 21:47
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Junior G-man posted:But you genuinly cannot reduce down to 'capital' and walk away. To do that is to ignore the ridiculous complexity that exists here. I've met about as many social democrats as I have free marketeers.
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Junior G-man posted:I'm really not walking into a battle of ideological purity here. Maybe some social democratic parties aren't as rotten as that yet, but a lot of them are. Identifying politicians by their party, and not their actual policies, is useless for discussion. I guess technically you did identify them by ideology, you just put the Third Way social democrats in the same ideological group as old school social democrats.
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Nov 2, 2014 22:27
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Junior G-man posted:However, I'm not conceding the point of consigning the entire S&D fraction, with the wild variety contained therein, to the 'pretend' social democrat group.
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Nah, it's entirely appropriate for the EU to have a spirited anthem, full of lofty ideals, signifying nothing.
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Orange Devil posted:In German. Don't forget that. It's the platonic ideal of the EU anthem really.
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Gantolandon posted:Yes and no. Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth also had a huge influence in shaping the current Polish mentality, but it was reinterpreted and fed to the Polish population mostly by writers from 19th century, like Mickiewicz or Sienkiewicz. They pretty much glossed through the ugly elements and presented it as a liberal paradise. I don't think the real Commonwealth had such an impact on the Polish culture like its Romanticist and Positivist reinterpretations, because before the Partitions pretty much no one except the nobility really gave a poo poo.
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Nov 10, 2014 23:07
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LemonDrizzle posted:Spain's problem is that it really doesn't matter who it elects because the only entities capable of materially influencing its fate are not answerable to its voters or even resident in Spain.
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YF-23 posted:"Forward into more EU" would have to mean that EU institutions are strengthened and made further independent, and that member countries start putting more money into the EU and receiving more money from the EU. That cannot, in any way, not involve "German money". LemonDrizzle posted:Standard protocol for dealing with intransigent periphery governments who try that sort of thing is to cut off the money supply and instigate a coup to install a more cooperative regime. Was done in Greece and they were preparing for an Italian putsch in 2012. Cat Mattress posted:So the short and sweet is that if the EU wants to actually progress, it needs to boot out both the UK and Germany? 
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LemonDrizzle posted:Ooops. Turns out there's a €300b hole in the EU's budget for 2014-20.
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Phlegmish posted:Because why the hell would you move all the way to Belgium or Luxembourg, which are really expensive places to live (especially Luxembourg), if you can make the same amount of money at home? Eurostat has the same problem, it's had a lot of trouble attracting qualified people in recent years because even Eastern Europeans are no longer willing to move to Luxembourg.
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Phlegmish posted:That's interesting, so it isn't standard procedure for banks to demand monthly down payments on mortgage loans over there? And even if it isn't, why wouldn't you want to do this anyway if you were a home owner? They must be losing loads of money paying full interest for decades.
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Nov 29, 2014 12:33
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Phlegmish posted:The way that mortgage loans often work here is that you repay a fixed amount each month, part interest and part down payment. The proportion of interest that you pay obviously decreases each month along with the remaining amount of money that is owed, and by the end nearly all of the money goes to repaying your loan. It makes sense as a system, even though it means that the people with the highest loans are also the ones paying them back at the slowest rate, but that's hardly a surprise. Phlegmish posted:How will increasing interest rates keep inflation low? I have a very murky understanding of the relationship between inflation, interest and the general economy. All I know is that deflation is bad because it leads to people hoarding their money, which has a negative effect on economic activity, which in turn could lead to more deflation. Other than that it's
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nothing to seehere posted:Increasing interest rates increases the return that people get for saving their money, and increases the costs of borrowing money to fund spending. These two effects together decrease consumption spending, and lower spending leads to a decrease in inflation, as inflation is simply the rise in demand for money, and the demand for money decreases if people are spending less.
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Xoidanor posted:No, with inflation the price of tomorrow will always exceed the price of today which in turn means that more money gets spent.
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nothing to seehere posted:Inflation decreases the value of money (what you can actually buy). Because the same quantity of money from before inflation no longer buys what you bought with it before (because it has less value) you demand more money, so you can buy the same amounts of goods or services as you did before inflation took effect. YF-23 posted:You have 5000 Euros in cash. When are you going to be more willing to spend them, if they are worth the same tomorrow, or if they are worth 4000 today's Euros tomorrow? Contrast this with deflation - if your 5000 Euros are going to be worth 6000 Euros in a year you'd an idiot not to hold on to them. The value of money going down is an incentive to spend the money now because the same money will get you less stuff in future, and the value of money going up is an incentive to hold on to it because it will get you more stuff.
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Xoidanor posted:I'm sorry, what?
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NihilismNow posted:Only if you have a completely flexible mortage rate. Which is not very smart. Even if you don't pay down the principal on your mortage it is still possible to lock the rates for 20 years. Might be hard to offload your house for what you paid for it if mortage rates are 10% but your "rent" won't necessarily increase.
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3peat posted:Americans and their english pet monkeys are at it again http://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-us-behind-regin-malware-attacked-european-union-networks/
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LemonDrizzle posted:you and what army, sunshine?
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Nonsense posted:To save Europe, Germany must become many. Merkel must be stopped.
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Ardennes posted:Spain gets 11% of its imports from Germany tied with France. Greece gets 9.5% of its imports from Germany, #2 after Russia (I assume it is energy related). Portugal also gets 11% of its imports after Germany, second after predictably Spain.
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