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Abrasive Obelisk posted:Can someone explain why the Florida Panthers are so bad, and when they were good, why? Dale tallon, literally any gm not named dale tallon, respectively. He's done a terrible job even though he had poo poo to begin with.
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:Can someone explain why the Florida Panthers are so bad, and when they were good, why? When they were good: they made it to the finals in 1996 which was shocking at the time but they got utterly destroyed by Colorado in a 4-0 sweep that didn't surprise anyone. Colorado at the time was absolutely STACKED from the Eric Lindros trade the former Quebec Nordiques performed before moving to Denver (Eric Lindros is a whole 'nother story). This run is best known for a player, Scott Mellanby, killing a rat in the locker room with a slap shot leading to fans tossing rubber rats on the ice before/during games (welcome to Hockey). They also had an almost-run in 2012 where they finally made the playoffs after a 12-year drought where they drat-near eliminated New Jersey in the quarterfinals (Jersey went to the Finals) and were considered a contender for the Cup if they knocked off the Devils. This whole playoff was weird because LA won the Cup despite squeaking into the 8th spot (and being the butt of "lol why is hockey there" jokes for decades) and going on a loving RUN where they were a juggernaut of epic proportions (that honestly frightened people) and, to this day, are a Cup contender that everyone fears. Someone else can explain why they are bad because it's really just another case of them rebuilding, then falling apart and trading their good players to other teams before going into rebuild again. Basically, they were the Edmonton for the longest time (yes, Oilers fan and I'm officially being self-deprecating towards my team). Basically, the Florida Panthers are a pretty terrible team that all of a loving sudden becomes good for ONE moment before sucking again. Justin Godscock fucked around with this message at 09:01 on May 11, 2014 |
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May 11, 2014 08:59
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Speaking of the Panthers, what are the chances that they moe to Quebec? I'd like to say that they're pretty good because the owners want $80 million from Broward County towards their arena for no reason, but I've also heard that NBC doesn't really want another Canadian team. Plus there's the perception that Bettman wants to keep teams in the Sun Belt, but I get the feeling that's an exaggeration. Does Lou Lamariello regret letting going of Claude Julien and seeing him thrive in Boston, or is he incapable of remorse?
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May 11, 2014 10:46
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Two questions here. A. How do they decide on who actually gets kicked out of a faceoff? Is it because one of the men jumps too early? My buddy said someone tried to explain it to him and it just sounded confusing as all hell. B. I am under the impression that fighting is generally limited when it comes to Playoff Hockey. Is this true? Or is it merely true because I am a blackhawks fan and we don't match up terribly well with hard hitting teams? Granted Bickel and Bollig are decent enough. Thanks Hockey Pros.
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May 11, 2014 19:09
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Y-Hat posted:Does Lou Lamariello regret letting going of Claude Julien and seeing him thrive in Boston, or is he incapable of remorse? Claude Julien was a game 7 win against Montreal away from getting fired. Lou fired him despite NJ making the playoffs with a really good record. There was clearly something else going on there. I doubt Lou is remorseful about that one. e: Fighting is limited because there are fewer goons dressing, and the ones that do know that their role is to play hockey to the best of their limited abilities and avoid taking a stupid penalty. The fights that happen during the playoffs are usually suitably epic (Carkner on Boyle from a few years ago, the Vinny Iggy fight are two that stand out to me from relatively recent history). Jordan7hm fucked around with this message at 19:36 on May 11, 2014 |
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May 11, 2014 19:33
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Jordan7hm posted:Claude Julien was a game 7 win against Montreal away from getting fired. But yeah, Lou probably has no regrets. As much as it pains me to say this because he runs my team, he's the Bill Belichick of the NHL.
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May 11, 2014 19:41
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Admiral Goodenough posted:Can I put in a general request for more amazing anecdotes like that? Maybe like your personal favorite story/player from your team? Just about everything in here is good reading. Not specific to one team, but pretty cool.
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May 11, 2014 20:50
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My personal favorite story is when Mario Lemieux won the scoring title in 1993, despite missing two months with Hodgkin's lymphoma. On the day of his last radiation treatment, he flew to Philadelphia to play a game against the Flyers. He had a goal and an assist.
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May 12, 2014 00:26
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Mario was a freak. Allegedly couldn't bench a plate when he came into the league, and said the gym was for suckers until later in his career. In terms of raw hockey talent he was of course right, it didn't matter, but you have to wonder if his attitude towards general fitness was a factor in some (obviously not all) of his injuries later on. E: my favorite injury story is Patrick Roy leaving his hospital bed to go win a playoff game after getting his appendix removed.
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May 12, 2014 00:37
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I always thought this story from Phil Esposito's autobiography was amusing, it's about the first time he played against Gordie Howe. Esposito was a rookie at the time and Howe would have been in the league for almost two decades by this point.Phil Esposito posted:Two nights later, we were in Detroit, and who did I find myself standing next to when I got on the ice but Gordie Howe. Geez, he was my boyhood hero. I’m looking at Gordie and I’m saying to myself, “drat, that’s the great Gordie Howe. What am I doing out here?" Jamwad Hilder fucked around with this message at 14:20 on May 12, 2014 |
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May 12, 2014 14:18
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Dallan Invictus posted:Worth noting that he's gone from "famously helmetless player of a game full of headshots" to general manager of the famously terrible Edmonton Oilers. Used to be a Bruin too, then something happened. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_MacTavish#Manslaughter_conviction
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May 12, 2014 21:20
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Rotten Cookies posted:Just about everything in here is good reading. Not specific to one team, but pretty cool. I love this one: quote:In 2003, Martin Brodeur ate popcorn out of the Cup, and had butter stains and salt damage for the next eight days before Jamie Langenbrunner cleaned it.
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May 13, 2014 18:00
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Speaking of Brodeur! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec_2oKWe2Gw And just because... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5u0khFnHUg Everyone should see this.
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May 13, 2014 21:15
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Rotten Cookies posted:Speaking of Brodeur! That's such a dangerous play by Hasek. The worst is when you see rec league goalies doing that and risking guys' necks (and their own heads). Here's another classic goalie moment though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS4qfCbuhCw
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May 13, 2014 21:38
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Why does PK Subban own so much?
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May 13, 2014 23:18
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Why does PK Subban own so much? He'd own a lot more if he hadn't been forced into a bridge deal.
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May 13, 2014 23:20
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Aphrodite posted:He'd own a lot more if he hadn't been forced into a bridge deal. 
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May 13, 2014 23:23
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Geno Malkin's not really gonna get traded... is he? Also, what is the thread's opinion on Ryan Lambert?
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May 15, 2014 04:43
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Y-Hat posted:Geno Malkin's not really gonna get traded... is he? Probably not. He's usually right, but occasionally he'll get really disingenuous to be crass and make a point. It's sort of obnoxious sometimes. And he goes by r-lam around here. Or at least, he used to.
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May 15, 2014 04:50
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Y-Hat posted:Geno Malkin's not really gonna get traded... is he? In the paper today it was saying a bunch of front office changes first off.(bye Bylsma) Crosby and Malkin both have (fat) no trade contracts.
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May 15, 2014 05:28
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Reading the Donald Sterling thread in SAS got me wondering, since he's having such a big impact on his sports team, are there any NHL team owners who, for good or bad, are particularly noteworthy?
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Pornographic Memory posted:Reading the Donald Sterling thread in SAS got me wondering, since he's having such a big impact on his sports team, are there any NHL team owners who, for good or bad, are particularly noteworthy? Jeremy Jacobs (Boston Bruins): Scrooge McDuck. Rich as hell, hates concession employees and all other poors, has a long-standing feud with the community he lives in in Florida over land and the development of a show-horse track or something which he has made a long-standing family affair. His sons are as bad as he is. But he looks like a lich. Eugene Melnyk (Ottawa Senators): Previously sanctioned by the SEC or something, he is a billionaire with a getaway in Barbados who claims the Sens (a Canadian franchise aka money printing machine) costs him millions of dollars a year. Thus he will not shell out to maintain players, such as long-time fan-favourite captain Daniel Alfredsson who left over salary disputes, nor does anyone expect him to spend any money on free-agents. Also widely believed to interfere in GM and coaching decisions in the org. He also allegedly hired forensic investigators to investigate the incident where Matt Cooke severed Sens franchise defenseman Erik Karlsson's achilles tendon on what basically everyone considers to be a routine-hockey-play-gone-wrong. Crackpot rear end in a top hat. Charles Wang (New York Islanders): Dumbass who told Jay Z and his development team to get bent when they asked him about building the Brooklyn Barclay's Centre for a hockey team, then decided to move the Islanders to Brooklyn anyways now that the Barclay's Centre has poo poo sight-lines for hockey. Overall dumbass. Francesco Aquilini (Vancouver Canucks): Believed to have interfered in GM/coaching decisions leading to the Cody Hodgson trade, as well as the hilarious debacle that saw Vancouver go from a Luongo/Schneider goalie tandem to a Lack/Markstrom tandem. It was believed Schneider was set to take the #1 starter duties, but they hosed around in the media and then traded Schneider to the Devils (where the Devils hosed with his expected starter position by giving aging Brodeur a large amount of starts). They traded Luongo at the deadline this year, to Florida (his old team before Vancouver), and now have a rookie and an unproven goalie as their #1 and #2. Also, 2nd line centre Ryan Kesler has startes speaking out and is rumoured to want out of the org.
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Y-Hat posted:Speaking of the Panthers, what are the chances that they moe to Quebec? I'd like to say that they're pretty good because the owners want $80 million from Broward County towards their arena for no reason, but I've also heard that NBC doesn't really want another Canadian team. Plus there's the perception that Bettman wants to keep teams in the Sun Belt, but I get the feeling that's an exaggeration. The Panthers are a tax writeoff for one of the most profitable concert venues in the country. They aren't moving. The next team to move will be the Coyotes, who have an out clause in their lease if their losses exceed a certain amount after 5 years. The Bettman/Sun belt thing IS a lie, the Thrashers got sent to Winnipeg pretty fast because it was clear that no one wanted to spend any money, public or private, to keep them in Atlanta. The fight for the Coyotes was because (1) their owner tried to circumvent the league by selling the team in bankruptcy court, which the NHL successfully blocked, and (2) Glendale is willing to keep giving them free money so of course the league is going to bleed that dry first.
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^^^ Yeah, I can't see the Coyotes staying for any length of time after their five-year deal in Glendale is up. By then Seattle will be aching for a big-time tenant in their new arena. Shame that the Panthers are staying because it sounds like a mausoleum there except when the Rangers are in town.Pornographic Memory posted:Reading the Donald Sterling thread in SAS got me wondering, since he's having such a big impact on his sports team, are there any NHL team owners who, for good or bad, are particularly noteworthy? get that OUT of my face fucked around with this message at 10:44 on May 15, 2014 |
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May 15, 2014 10:40
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Y-Hat posted:If we can include former or dead owners, John Spano. Scammer who managed to convince everyone he was a multimillionaire and acquire the NY Islanders when in reality he was pretty much broke. It's an incredible story. This documentary is a must watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoSXtH8p9Jo
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May 15, 2014 10:52
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Y-Hat posted:If we can include former or dead owners ...you'd be hard-pressed to find a bigger prick than the Maple Leafs' former owner Harold Ballard. An arrogant, misogynist tyrant and ex-convict who made Steinbrenner look even-handed, Ballard had no respect for anyone in the Leafs organization. This is a guy who fired an intern for refusing to walk his dog. Hockey fans in Toronto are loyal to a fault (they reportedly sold out every game for 50 years straight or something ridiculous like that) and Ballard knew that they'd show up to see just about anyone as long as they were wearing blue shirts, so he hired the cheapest, shittiest players available and the organization stunk out loud for years under his "ownership". Then the old bastard died, competent adults took over and five years later the team played in back-to-back conference finals.
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Y-Hat posted:^^^ Yeah, I can't see the Coyotes staying for any length of time after their five-year deal in Glendale is up. By then Seattle will be aching for a big-time tenant in their new arena. Shame that the Panthers are staying because it sounds like a mausoleum there except when the Rangers are in town. Dollar bill thought tv was a fad and it would pass. He was an insufferable shitheel who inexplicably let bob pulford be the gm (he was awful). I grew up in Chicago, never watched the Blackhawks for 16 years before Bill died, Rocky took over, and they stopped being terrible.
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May 15, 2014 15:47
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Don't forget Craig Leipold, one of the masterminds behind the current lockout, which he designed in an effort to save him from overpaying for players (because he had just dropped mad stacks on Suter and Parise).
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May 15, 2014 18:35
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Y-Hat posted:^^^ Yeah, I can't see the Coyotes staying for any length of time after their five-year deal in Glendale is up. By then Seattle will be aching for a big-time tenant in their new arena. Which new arena is that? Everything I've read on getting the NHL in Seattle indicates that there needs to be an NBA team incoming to build the arena, and everything I've read on getting the NBA in Seattle indicates that it will happen sometime never.
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Y-Hat posted:^^^ Yeah, I can't see the Coyotes staying for any length of time after their five-year deal in Glendale is up. By then Seattle will be aching for a big-time tenant in their new arena. Shame that the Panthers are staying because it sounds like a mausoleum there except when the Rangers are in town. Rangers or any Canadian team, especially the Leafs, because of all the Snowbirds (Canadians rich enough to live somewhere warm to escape the winter) that are in Florida. flakeloaf posted:...you'd be hard-pressed to find a bigger prick than the Maple Leafs' former owner Harold Ballard. An arrogant, misogynist tyrant and ex-convict who made Steinbrenner look even-handed, Ballard had no respect for anyone in the Leafs organization. This is a guy who fired an intern for refusing to walk his dog. Hockey fans in Toronto are loyal to a fault (they reportedly sold out every game for 50 years straight or something ridiculous like that) and Ballard knew that they'd show up to see just about anyone as long as they were wearing blue shirts, so he hired the cheapest, shittiest players available and the organization stunk out loud for years under his "ownership". Then the old bastard died, competent adults took over and five years later the team played in back-to-back conference finals. Everyone can read the Wikipedia page on Harold Ballard to find out how much of a scumbag (he makes Donald Sterling look like Pope Francis) he was because we could talk for hours on his infamous acts. The one most people consider to be the slimiest and pettiest is him literally selling the Stanley Cup banners that were won under his predecessor Conn Smythe out of jealousy. The NHL gave the Leafs new banners after they moved into the Air Canada Centre. Coca Koala posted:Which new arena is that? Everything I've read on getting the NHL in Seattle indicates that there needs to be an NBA team incoming to build the arena, and everything I've read on getting the NBA in Seattle indicates that it will happen sometime never. Seattle is trying to get an NBA team first (to replace the Sonics who left under some pretty shady circumstances) but when built it COULD host an NHL team and with Phoenix being as screwed as they are Seattle is in-line with Quebec City as realistic options for a moved team. The arena is in the preliminary stages because Seattle needs an anchor tenant before building.
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I could've sworn I saw something about the Sacramento Kings being sold and moving to Seattle? I guess that was just a rumor or just true on the first part and not the second? As someone with minimal basketball interest, I was really only thinking that it might mean Seattle got an NHL team. Nevermind, I just googled it. The move was voted against by other NBA owners. Rotten Cookies fucked around with this message at 18:11 on May 16, 2014 |
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May 16, 2014 18:08
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Rotten Cookies posted:I could've sworn I saw something about the Sacramento Kings being sold and moving to Seattle? I guess that was just a rumor or just true on the first part and not the second? The vote was also super shady and the maloof brothers, who own(ed?) the Sacramento kings were furious.
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Justin Godscock posted:Seattle is trying to get an NBA team first (to replace the Sonics who left under some pretty shady circumstances) but when built it COULD host an NHL team and with Phoenix being as screwed as they are Seattle is in-line with Quebec City as realistic options for a moved team. The arena is in the preliminary stages because Seattle needs an anchor tenant before building. Right, I've been following the attempt to get an NBA team in Seattle for a while. But you're talking about it like it's a certainty that the arena is going to be built and that Seattle will want an NHL team for it sometime within the next ten years, and I'm curious where that certainty is coming from.
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Coca Koala posted:Right, I've been following the attempt to get an NBA team in Seattle for a while. But you're talking about it like it's a certainty that the arena is going to be built and that Seattle will want an NHL team for it sometime within the next ten years, and I'm curious where that certainty is coming from. Close to canada, lots of Canucks fans round there, it's "chic" and the NHL sort of fancies itself to be "chic." Fails miserably all the time. See: the guardians, who stole the cup
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Coca Koala posted:Right, I've been following the attempt to get an NBA team in Seattle for a while. But you're talking about it like it's a certainty that the arena is going to be built and that Seattle will want an NHL team for it sometime within the next ten years, and I'm curious where that certainty is coming from. It really hinges on if they can get an NBA franchise then Seattle will put forth a serious effort to building the arena. I wasn't saying for sure shovels in the ground right away just that Seattle seems serious enough about it. As far as an NHL franchise goes, I wasn't speaking with absolute certainty that if the thing is built NHL is coming just that Phoenix is having troubles (at least in five years time) and the city's name will become a candidate along with the usual suspects (Quebec City, Las Vegas, Kansas City, etc.) the media loves to toss around once the Coyotes are in trouble again.
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What's the deal with hockey fans/teams in perpetually warm places? I'm specifically thinking of San Jose, where it feels like there are more rabid hockey fans there than where I grew up in Southern Wisconsin, and I don't really understand why. Why are there so many teams in such inhospitable climates? What makes a franchise start somewhere?
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May 17, 2014 23:37
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foutre posted:What's the deal with hockey fans/teams in perpetually warm places? I'm specifically thinking of San Jose, where it feels like there are more rabid hockey fans there than where I grew up in Southern Wisconsin, and I don't really understand why. Since teams play indoors, temperature isn't such a big deal, and San Jose specifically has done a very good job marketing and building a highly competitive team. When you do that in any sport, fans will come.
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And even though Wisconsin Badger hockey was the best-performing team in the state from 73-83, at some point it's still college hockey. Tape-delayed Wisconsin Public Television broadcasts and a 10,000 seat arena don't really move the needle too far. Also here is my favoritest goal ever. 99 shots, 99 saves before this happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib_rpKdAjac
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After watching the Habs game last night, I was reminded about the superstition that touching the Prince of Wales or Campbell trophies will lead to that team losing the Stanley Cup. I remember when Alfredsson picked the Prince of Wales up in 2008 and Ottawa hasn't gotten close to another Cup run since. So, has it ever happened that both Captains have touched their respective trophies? What happens then, a lockout?
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Sidney Crosby didn't touch it in 08 but did in 09 and they won. Mark Messier touched it in 1994.
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