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Infinite Karma posted:
Telling people how much you make in my workplace will get you fired. They told us that on day 1, since we were hired in at a higher rate than other people doing essentially the same job. They were very up front about how they didn't want fairness in the workplace when it came to wages. I don't even work for some small bullshit outfit, I work for Hewlett Packard.
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Apr 16, 2014 00:46
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Main Paineframe posted:They can tell you that all they want, but it's illegal for them to actually do it. They're just counting on the fact that you don't know that. Most workers don't know their rights, so employers can run roughshod over them with nothing but empty threats. They can actually do that in Oklahoma. ErIog posted:The bolded part is extremely precious and a common tactic in enforcing the "oh god please don't talk about wages, whatever you do!" culture at companies. Nobody ever gets told, "You get paid less than other people. Deal with it. Don't mention it to anyone." Everyone gets told they're getting a good deal and make more than other people. That's how the nuts and bolts of the scam work. To be fair it was actually true, (people are going to talk in private about it eventually, ban it all you want) but I know it works both ways. They fired a guy around the time I got hired for complaining that we were getting paid more than him despite him having 3 years more experience. HP is a really lovely company to work for as far as wages go. I like my benefits, but making what I make for my level of experience with a company as big and profitable as they are is bullshit. Don't work for these people. Zwiftef posted:Did you miss the part where most of the major tech companies were already doing this? I can't speak for anybody else but HP is #1 (or 2, depending on who you ask) in enterprise services and anyone who isn't at the upper end of their workforce is either having their jobs being replaced with contractor positions (that pay barely above minimum wage) or have had their salaries permanently frozen. I am ineligible for a pay raise. Forever. This is pretty much the standard across their helpdesk and deskside support positions. If you want to make a decent wage in IT you need to be a developer or have some serious certifications, and even then from what I've seen in my workplace you are getting dicked around constantly. I imagine the west coast environment is very different, but it would be. But there's a lot more of us in the industry than the people in California, Washington and New York, and my experience has been less than stellar. Wage stagnation is very much a thing in this industry. Mirthless fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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Apr 16, 2014 04:04
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Main Paineframe posted:Really? They shouldn't be able to; regardless of what Oklahoma law says, federal law prohibits it and that takes precedence. I suppose if they're small enough, federal labor law wouldn't apply to them, but I think HP's just a bit over that line. What would I do if I got fired? I don't have the money to afford the kind of legal representation required to battle so-called at will employment. Beyond that, I don't see what is legally protected about talking about my wages with others. "Employment at will" is a bitch. Pay reform has to come in the form of hard federal legislation. States and corporations will never do it on their own. There's nothing in it for them.
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Apr 16, 2014 04:13
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wateroverfire posted:That's assuming things work the way they work now, which they won't necessarily. If a supposedly stellar employee wants to jump ship to another company for a raise, that company can point to the pay database and say "sorry, this information is public and hiring you at X wage would be problematic." where before they might have met her requirement and stayed quiet about it. While I don't necessarily completely disagree with what you're saying I think using a woman as an example in this case is incredibly disingenuous because the current system of wage secrecy hurts women more than anyone else. For every one woman in the situation you cited, there is a hundred more being disenfranchised who don't know it and won't know it as long as wages remain secret.
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Apr 16, 2014 13:59
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I think the #1 reason there isn't a push to unionize among hourly IT positions is because most of them can be shipped to India, Costa Rica or Romania tomorrow, and the only thing it's going to upset in the grand scheme of things is the sensibility of the jingoist racists who work for you or your client. Automation, simplification of computer systems and "the cloud" have made helpdesk and to a lesser extent deskside support into a job where you teach people how to navigate menus. Everybody wants better pay but hourly IT jobs probably won't exist at all inside of ten years and those of us who haven't had the chance to jump to salary yet aren't in any rush to speed up the process. Our #1 most common customer comment on surveys is "thank god somebody speaks english". When that's the only advantage we have over people who work for half (or less!) of what we do, how much longer can that gravy train possibly last? Mirthless fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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Apr 16, 2014 23:12
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drilldo squirt posted:Isn't the point of unions unskilled laborers who can easily be replaced organizing for job security and that kinda poo poo? Unions provide job security by making employers think twice before trying to fire people. They can't prevent a business from closing shop and moving someplace else. In manufacturing, unions do enough to prevent employers from doing poo poo like firing employees so they can re-hire somebody cheaper into the position, and the cost of opening up a new shop somewhere else is prohibitive enough that the company is going to be very hesitant to not just work with the union. An IT company can get a new datacenter or callcenter online and a full workforce in a few months if they use an existing building, and it'll pay for itself in a few months in savings. I support unions 100%, but it is really not an exaggeration to say that widespread unionization in IT would completely obliterate the field at the level that could actually unionize.
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shrike82 posted:With call centers shifting from India to the Philippines, I've found the accent thing to be less of an issue. We're hiring on our new contract positions at like 8.50 an hour. It's criminal. The company we contract for pays HP 30 dollars per call. Our average call time including ticket wrap is 15 minutes.
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