Single-Payer Health Care: As Goes Canada, So Goes Vermont

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Accretionist: Nov 7, 2012; I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Fat Ogre posted:

Were at 6.7% unemployment.. 5-6% is considered healthy for the economy.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/economy_14424.htm
If all 4 million found jobs that would reduce unemployment by 2.68% means we'd be at 4.02% unemployment which is considered amazing and healthy for our country so again, this isn't that big of a deal.

You cannot get unemployment to 0% nor would you want to.

Underemployment would throw a hex on those job figures just as it is now: ~90% of News Jobs since 2009 Part-Time

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                          January 2009       July 2013          Change
 Part-Time Employment     26.351 million     28.233 million     +1,882,000 (+7.14%)
 Full-Time Employment     115.820 million    116.090 million    +270,000 (+0.23%)
Source: Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics.

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# ¿ May 9, 2014 04:09

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 19:17

Accretionist: Nov 7, 2012; I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Were you not basically saying that the unemployed should just create their own jobs?

# ¿ May 9, 2014 20:30

Accretionist: Nov 7, 2012; I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

I know a handful of successful entrepreneurs. Failure rates make it unrealistic. It, de facto, prescribes leaving these people out to dry. If you want to preserve a healthy first-world society, the greatest utility comes from processing people back into the system, keeping them integrated. Whether intended or not, your line of thinking prescribes letting them fall out of the system.

# ¿ May 9, 2014 21:33

Accretionist: Nov 7, 2012; I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Fat Ogre posted:

They already are left out to dry because they are unemployed.

If your assuming they can't ever get a job because the system is rigged they're going to have to do something until it is fixed right?

There's a difference between unemployed and someone becoming straight up disconnected and ending up homeless, ending up in a secondary system like black markets and gangs, etc.

# ¿ May 9, 2014 21:38

Accretionist: Nov 7, 2012; I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Counter-argument: Gangs and black markets really do exist.

# ¿ May 9, 2014 22:06

Accretionist: Nov 7, 2012; I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Fat Ogre, you want this to be a first world country, right? I see the level of individualism you're prescribing as literally incompatible with that. A lot of people do. That's principally where the guff you're getting is coming from. You've picked up on that by now, right? If not, it should inform your thinking.

# ¿ May 11, 2014 00:24

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 19:17

Accretionist: Nov 7, 2012; I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Vahakyla posted:

I know a person who talks so similar to Fat Ogre that I eerily wonder if they are the same person or if just all "personal responsibility" -retards sound so stupidly similar?

I used to believe the exact same poo poo (much of my family still does). A lot of it functions like a paint-by-numbers 'Assemble your Own Conclusions Kit.' You take culturally supplied concepts, terms, definitions, frames, etc. and run with em' and you end up in roughly the same place with the same language as everyone else.

# ¿ May 11, 2014 10:20

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