Single-Payer Health Care: As Goes Canada, So Goes Vermont

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Arcanen: Dec 19, 2005

If you go outside your house, there's a risk you might come to harm. Why would anyone take the risk of going outside?! People who choose to go outside are to blame if they get mugged, hit by a car whatever. It's their own stupid fault for leaving their basements.

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Arcanen: Dec 19, 2005

Fat Ogre posted:

Yeah and if someone else hurts you, you get to sue them to pay for your injuries. Like if you get hit by a car the insurance picks up the bill, or your own uninsured motorist, or you get a judgement against them and the hospital goes after them.

Please make more strawman arguments.

Plenty of car accidents happen with the other party speeding off before you can get their details. Muggers don't kindly provide their information to you after a beating. Many accidents don't involve anyone else at all and may be as simple as tripping down stairs and breaking bones.

It's not a strawman argument at all, your argument is equivalent and just as stupid. Plus yeah, the skiing accident rate really isn't that high anyway.

# ¿ May 4, 2014 22:02

Arcanen: Dec 19, 2005

Pope Guilty posted:

Behind every use of the phrase "personal responsibility" is the terror of a world in which bad things happen regardless of whether you're a "good person" or not. It is a talisman, an incantation, which can be repeated as a ward against having to acknowledge the reality of that world.

"Well, a bad thing happened to him, but it can't happen to me, because I have personal responsibility!"

Once you recognize it for what it is- a coping mechanism for people who'd rather deny the various horrors of the world we live in than work to mitigate and overcome it- it's easier to understand where the people who spout it are coming from. It looks like malice, yes, and that can be the result of it, but at its root it's just fear and a psychological inability to admit that your life isn't as under your control as you'd like to pretend it is.

This is clearly Fat Ogre's problem and a good reason why the skiing tangent and Fat Ogre's attitude in that discussion can be extrapolated to show why he's completely full of poo poo in this discussion also. Why would anyone go SKIING? That's a failure of personal responsibility! :smugbert:

What's that? Driving is something I do all the time yet is considerably more dangerous than skiing? LALALALALA *puts fingers in ears and continues to use the same fallacious reasoning when discussing healthcare in general.

# ¿ May 10, 2014 21:30

Arcanen: Dec 19, 2005

VitalSigns posted:

Excuse me, he has a job and health insurance, so he's proven he has the Personal Responsibility required to take the family on a road trip to visit grandma for Thanksgiving.

I can't imagine why people without insurance are so irresponsible that they drive to places they don't strictly have to be. Driving to work or the store, that makes sense, but if you're going to take needless risks like visiting the family, don't bitch and moan when you get in an accident that exhausts the personal injury coverage in your auto insurance policy. You were asking for it with all that superfluous pleasure driving.

Bonus points for simultaneously believing that choosing to ski is an act demonstrating poor responsibility due to (imagined and incorrect) high risk, and that the poors should bootstrap themselves into employment by creating businesses. One of these acts is incredibly difficult to do without enormous wealth or taking out a massive loan that could cripple someone for the rest of their lives, and is very likely to result in the loss or at best breaking even of all that money. Hint: it's not skiing.

# ¿ May 10, 2014 21:53

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