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Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

Yo so when does the blatant racism and/or Japanese nationalism kick in because that poo poo is never not hilarious to me.

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Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

I started reading the light novels since the show was taking too long to go anywhere. Ahahaha, holy poo poo. And to think I once believed Black Bullet's protagonist was in the running for 'Biggest Mary Sue of the Season.' Now that I've finished the Yokohama arc, have I seen the last of ~*Onii-samaaa*~ pulling new powers out of his rear end? Because I like the setting, it's conception of magic, and that the female characters so far are portrayed as equally capable (not compared to Tatsuya the Great and Terrible, of course, but in general). On the other hand, the guy's one miracle away from being a clone of Jesus Christ.

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

Cao Ni Ma posted:

The thing is, if you want a show that has competent female characters (actually over represented as a whole compared to male characters), cool magical powers, interesting setting, great animation/music and above all else fantastic characters in general you can always watch Yozakura. ...So why pick Mahouka unless you want the incest, rampant nationalism, ill founded adoration for the rich or blatantly overpowered characters :v:
I do, because it's hilarious. Also kind of sad. But mostly hilarious. You know, like reading the bad webcomics thread.

Never heard of Yozakura though. I'll check it out.

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

It's not a good show. I say this as someone who is both watching it, and listed things I appreciate about it. Even if I were to concede every statement you've made, it still doesn't work because there's simply no tension there. Tatsuya's "limits" are a bad joke. It would be one thing if he were good at turning an extremely narrow skill set to his advantage, using it in a variety of creative ways. That's the show I thought I was getting when I watched the first episode.

In the show we actually got, his skillset is instantaneous disintegration regardless of distance, and any magical or mundane barriers in the way; heal fatal injuries with a glance; automatically resurrects when killed; permanent and infallible means of locating anyone or anything he chooses. They're limits in the sense he can't replicate every technique the others display, but when your own abilities are so all-encompassing, it doesn't make a difference. And even then it could work if Tatsuya, or even any of his fan club ever had to struggle with anything.

But they don't. It's just one episode after another of blandly competent archetypes overcoming the latest obstacle with minimal effort. You can't generate intensity without a credible challenge. Even the ones the show goes to great lengths to build up get brushed off within a few minutes of a confrontation. That's why it is a bad show, even if ignore or disbelieve all the other stuff people pointed out.

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

WickedHate posted:

The physical challenges aren't important. It's like reading the Hulk and wondering if he'll be able to defeat every physical challenge that comes his way. Of course he will, he's the Hulk. That's not the point.
And at the end of every episode, he walks sadly out of town because he's a dangerous presence, or someone found out his secret or both. It's not like this is the first example of a nigh unstoppable protagonist in the history of fiction. Here are ways you could make this less of a clusterfuck, without changing any of the characters we've seen so far:
  • Focus on the politics and maneuvering of the Ten Clans, which could involve conflicts that can't be solved simply by being an unstoppable, broody badass. Even if Big T can beat them all singlehanded, there's still an incentive to avoid the havoc of a magical civil war.
  • Include more detail on current and recent events in the narrative. They've just finished fighting WWIII with wizards, and most of the countries hate each other's guts. In that respect, a heavily militarized society would make a certain amount of sense but the story makes no effort to address or even emphasize that. Our heroes think the way they do because they are objectively correct and wonderful people, which is why all the people who disagree with them are wrong and dumb straw men.
  • Put other characters besides Tatsuya in peril. The story becomes less about whether he wins then whether he can protect everyone. It works for Superman, no? Yet even though none of the others can match him in power, they do just fine without his presence. Remember the duel between Sayaka and Erika? There was actual uncertainty about the outcome. Nothing like that ever happens again. Terrorists, soldiers, other wizards--adults, even--none of them can do more than inconvenience a band of plucky high schoolers.
  • Establish the toll using his powers takes on him. Keep them exactly the same but make it clear that using them is actually hard to do. This would be easy in the book where most of the chapters are told from Tatsuya's point of view but even in the anime there are many ways they could visually demonstrate the strain. Instead, he just snaps his fingers.

Rangpur fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Jun 11, 2014

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

WickedHate posted:

The main plot is all about those two things.
I'm onto the 4th major story arc of the light novels. When exactly does this main plot start up? They say the Ten Great clans are constantly jockeying for position, but we never see it. The issue never effects the narrative in any meaningful way. We hear there's been a World War III in recent memory but we don't know why, and no one ever points to that as justification for anything in the setting. Even when it would make a fitting reason! There's your answer to Sayaka's question about the school's laser-like focus on Course 1 students: the country is effectively in an arm's race.

Instead we get the author riding his goddamn hobby horse about how equality is a just an excuse to agitate for higher wages. There's nothing about the changes in economy or culture that you'd expect from a society on a permanent war footing. No shortages, no propaganda, no protests, and no integration into the plot. It's a contextless background detail. If you switched it out with something like 'the sky is green,' there would be no change in the story so far.

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

Serious Frolicking posted:

There is a book which is about a young member of the 10 clans (or maybe they wanted into the 10 clans? I forget.) who is obsessed with deposing the saegusa clan. Only, his dad didn't give a gently caress and it was mostly due to the efforts of some FILTHY WHORE ACTRESS egging him on for no reason. The only reason why this hostility between major clans existed was due to an outsider manipulating a gullible teenage boy. I am not joking here. An actress who wasn't a magician, had no stake in the conflict and nothing to gain from any of it got a boy into an insane frenzy against anyone related to the saegusa clan.
Amazing. It wasn't even because the actress was jealous of the glamorous Presidentu-San? I am genuinely shocked. Does anyone in these books oppose the protagonists for reasons that aren't a) dumb as hell or b) mustache-twirlingly evil?

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

I would be down with Sgt. Slaughter joining Ice-T's harem. It won't be nearly that cool will it?

Which reminds me, why exactly is the government okay with a walking nuclear warhead who's had his brain hosed with so that he's loyal to family over all else, and his sister with the anger control issues in particular? And also his family is mostly made up of paranoid psychopaths even by the morally flexible standards of the other nine clans for that extra little bit of :psyduck:

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

SorcerousHam posted:

The military isn't worried about Gary Stu because he is loyal to them. Gary Stu is loyal to the military because the military, the military, were literally the first people in his entire goddamn lifespan to say that his skills and abilities were interesting and that he wasn't a scrub failure that should be treated like dirt.
...so when his family got done tinkering with him on the operating table, and found out he could now disintegrate/heal/nuke at will, their reaction was, "eh, that's alright I guess."

Ugggghhh why do the interesting ideas have to be wrapped in all this stupid

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

There is a point, early on in the next story arc if I recall, where someone gets pissed at him because he's completely blase about any harm that comes to people besides Miyuki. I believe that ends with some member of the student council scolding her for blaming all her problems on Tatsuya.

A valid point perhaps but still completely glossing over that TatsuYHWH does in fact have a problem.

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

WickedHate posted:

I'm truly a little disgusted and conflicted about watching the anime anymore.

Omedetou. Omedetou. Omedetou.

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

So are there any light novels... Well, not just better than this, since that's such a low bar to clear you could qualify while still being tedious garbage. Mediocre, maybe? Suggest mediocre and above LNs for me to read.

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

SSNeoman posted:

EDIT: Hell, another idea! Tatsuya brought Miyuki back from the dead, right? I'm not spoiling this because nobody cares, it's in the show's OP and come on it's loving Mahouka.
So go full Lovecraft with the concept! Make it so that Tats brought her back wrong; that when he did the ritual he wanted his perfect mage sister who loved him dearly to be brought back, and instead got this obsessed, possibly false, mockery of a human being. However, since she is basically exactly like his sister, and he has obligations to the Yotsuba clan, he puts on a poker face and carries on. He also does this because internally he is wracked by guilt and doubt.
Hell, I'd watch that. Been a while since I've seen a decent horror anime. Unless that far future one about psychic villages counts.

I realized that there's a very rigid, tiered pyramid for how conflict resolves in this series. No one wins against characters of a higher tier, and their defeats are universally total and crushing. ~*Onii-sama*~ stands at the apex, emerging victorious from every struggle with a bare minimum of effort. Below him is First High. Below them are the high schools who like First High, then the High Schools who dislike them. Then the Japanese muggles--you know the people who supposedly outnumber the mages 100,000 to one yet never appear.

Much, much further down, you have the entire rest of the world. Since some of y'all have read ahead, are there ever conflicts this theory fails to describe? Like his aunt! Did he kill her yet? Was it even hard?

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

WickedHate posted:

SAO also had a really gross and inaccurate porn scene in the LN that got edited out when it became popular.
Gross pretty much goes without saying, but the "inaccurate" part sounds hilarious assuming you meant in a 'this author has no idea how sex actually works,' sense.

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

It's not even a problem having an unbeatable main character. Look at Superman, for God's sake. Where Mahouka falls apart--conceptually, I mean--is that Satou completely misses the point. Unbeatable is fine, but you still have to challenge them. Tatsuya isn't just Wizard Jesus, he's an infallible Wizard Jesus whose Mary-Sue aura is so overpowering, it extends to all his friends and colleagues so long as they continue offering the appropriate adoring testimonials. Whatever their other problems, you could still engage the audience with the magic Olympics if his friends showed tension, or had to struggle in any way.

I bailed on episode 13 and started rewatching Ping-Pong instead. How far will YOU get before the epiphany?

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

darkgray posted:

The first volume of the BD release is out, and it managed to sell over 10,000 copies in its first week, so I think we're on for more seasons!!
ugggggggh

Wait, before I react is that a good showing for a series like this?

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Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

Uggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh

gently caress it, I vote we keep the thread open for as long the anime lasts but repurpose it to invent ways of killing Satou's beloved Mary Sue. How about lava, has anyone tried that? I assume he'd regenerate but he'd still be IN the lava.

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