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JoylessJester
Sep 13, 2012

WastedJoker posted:

Farage got egged today. It was wonderful to see.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27242557

It's actually a bit worrying to see how easily someone could stab him in the neck a few times.


Miliband had the right response to this, jacket off and carry on. But hey running way isn't as bad as Prescott lamping a protestor. Makes you wonder if Ukip are so popular why can't Farage go to half the country without being protested against? Probably all the immigrants.

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Seaside Loafer
Feb 7, 2012

Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Trickjaw posted:

Its Shakey, and he got you :)
Can the dickhead stop 'getting' people, he isnt funny. Yes you 'Shakey', you arent amusing at all, gently caress off basically.

Shakespearean Beef
Jul 12, 2008

Ask me all about how I proudly marched alongside literal NEO-NAZIS to protest against the GOVERNMENT taking away our FREEDOMS because of nothing mote that the common FLU!!! I'm holding aloft the TORCH of FREEDOM!!

Seaside Loafer posted:

Can the dickhead stop 'getting' people, he isnt funny. Yes you 'Shakey', you arent amusing at all, gently caress off basically.

no mate

Seaside Loafer
Feb 7, 2012

Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Whats your motivation? Isnt the ironic posting offensive bollocks joke getting a bit tired now?

Shakespearean Beef
Jul 12, 2008

Ask me all about how I proudly marched alongside literal NEO-NAZIS to protest against the GOVERNMENT taking away our FREEDOMS because of nothing mote that the common FLU!!! I'm holding aloft the TORCH of FREEDOM!!

Seaside Loafer posted:

Whats your motivation? Isnt the ironic posting offensive bollocks joke getting a bit tired now?

no, mate

MyFaceBeHi
Apr 9, 2008

I was popular, once.
Ah don't think he iz gettin it doe, blad!

Seaside Loafer
Feb 7, 2012

Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Well im glad we cleared that up. Would you care to elabourate at all or is the next response going to be no mate

Seaside Loafer
Feb 7, 2012

Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

MyFaceBeHi posted:

Ah don't think he iz gettin it doe, blad!
I get it fine its just not funny. How about joining in with the debate instead of trolling. I loving hate meta net trolls. Ok carry on, as im sure you will anyway.

Shakespearean Beef
Jul 12, 2008

Ask me all about how I proudly marched alongside literal NEO-NAZIS to protest against the GOVERNMENT taking away our FREEDOMS because of nothing mote that the common FLU!!! I'm holding aloft the TORCH of FREEDOM!!
I love to debate, on the information superhighway. What would you like to debate

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


WastedJoker posted:

Farage got egged today. It was wonderful to see.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27242557

It's actually a bit worrying to see how easily someone could stab him in the neck a few times.

Speaking of UKIP, the guy at the top of my street has a big sign declaring his support for UKIP :( He seemed like a decent bloke and I used to buy goose eggs from him.

This answers an age old question: yesterday chicken, today egg.

Answers Me
Apr 24, 2012
It cracks me up how all of a sudden UKIP keep trotting out the line 'we're not racist; in fact, we're the only party who make people specifically declare that they've never been a member of the BNP or EDL.'

Not racist, just so popular with racists we have to specifically filter them out.

Seaside Loafer
Feb 7, 2012

Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Shakespearean Beef posted:

I love to debate, on the information superhighway. What would you like to debate
Id love to but ive got to go and babysit for the night, you carry on amusing everyone with your zany meta ironic bollocks though, im sure some people appreciate it.

SybilVimes
Oct 29, 2011

Seaside Loafer posted:

Whats your motivation? Isnt the ironic posting offensive bollocks joke getting a bit tired now?

Just put him on ignore, he's never contributed anything particularly worthy of being displayed.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!

Answers Me posted:

It cracks me up how all of a sudden UKIP keep trotting out the line 'we're not racist; in fact, we're the only party who make people specifically declare that they've never been a member of the BNP or EDL.'

Not racist, just so popular with racists we have to specifically filter them out.

What do you mean "all of a sudden"

Shakespearean Beef
Jul 12, 2008

Ask me all about how I proudly marched alongside literal NEO-NAZIS to protest against the GOVERNMENT taking away our FREEDOMS because of nothing mote that the common FLU!!! I'm holding aloft the TORCH of FREEDOM!!

Seaside Loafer posted:

Id love to but ive got to go and babysit for the night, you carry on amusing everyone with your zany meta ironic bollocks though, im sure some people appreciate it.

Don't forget to bring some nappies back for yourself you big crybaby

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Answers Me posted:

It cracks me up how all of a sudden UKIP keep trotting out the line 'we're not racist; in fact, we're the only party who make people specifically declare that they've never been a member of the BNP or EDL.'

Not racist, just so popular with racists we have to specifically filter them out.

Specifically filter them and yet fail to at the same time.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

JoylessJester posted:

But hey running way isn't as bad as Prescott lamping a protestor.

That was awesome.

Alecto
Feb 11, 2014
I just posted this in the EU thread, but I'll post it here too.

I made an excel spreadsheet that uses UK polling and turnout to calculate how the regional seats will be distributed, which some of you may be interested in. The eligible voters are from the ONS's 2012 electoral roll, the vote share is the 5-10 likelihood to vote from the latest Comres poll and the turnout % is from 2009's election. Sometimes there's a draw in which case all parties involved get the seat, simply adding 0.1% onto one or two parties' share should fix it. Northern Ireland not included because I was really only interested in the national parties.

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Spangly A posted:

Specifically filter them and yet fail to at the same time.

Its just a filter to decide what junk mail to include in the Jumbo Welcome to UKIP pack.

Boing
Jul 12, 2005

trapped in custom title factory, send help

Alecto posted:

I just posted this in the EU thread, but I'll post it here too.

I made an excel spreadsheet that uses UK polling and turnout to calculate how the regional seats will be distributed, which some of you may be interested in. The eligible voters are from the ONS's 2012 electoral roll, the vote share is the 5-10 likelihood to vote from the latest Comres poll and the turnout % is from 2009's election. Sometimes there's a draw in which case all parties involved get the seat, simply adding 0.1% onto one or two parties' share should fix it. Northern Ireland not included because I was really only interested in the national parties.

It's astounding how many people will vote for a party that has basically no policies at all

Tolth
Mar 16, 2008

PÄDOPHILIE MACHT FREI

Boing posted:

It's astounding how many people will vote for a party that has basically no policies at all

It's indicative of the fact that a large proportion of people vote entirely tribally and with no reference to party manifestos whatsoever. Plus, in all fairness, it's not like either main party has consistently followed their manifesto promises while in office.

twoot
Oct 29, 2012

a pipe smoking dog posted:

A major fraud trial has just been stayed because the defendants can't afford proper representation because of the legal aid cuts to very high cost crimes, which basically means that it is now impossible for the crown to prosecute in complex cases. Really Chris Grayling should be forced to resign over this but I doubt it will even make the lunchtime news.

Also the defence barrister (working pro bono) is Alexander Cameron QC better known as the PMs brother.

When they couldn't find representation within the English legal system, they even attempted to find Scottish and NI advocates.

quote:

37.
Enquiries have been made without success with the Bar of Northern Ireland and the Faculty of Advocates in Edinburgh, including those with dual qualifications which allow them to appear in courts in England and Wales.

It is so bad they wouldn't even restrict it to those only with dual training. Legal representation from people in a different system :ughh:

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

I find the idea of Nigel Farage having any electoral prospects whatsoever baffling since the first time I saw him.

A more obvious looking shyster i have never seen. I wouldn't trust him with control of the office paperclips never mind any actual power.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

a pipe smoking dog posted:

A major fraud trial has just been stayed because the defendants can't afford proper representation because of the legal aid cuts to very high cost crimes, which basically means that it is now impossible for the crown to prosecute in complex cases. Really Chris Grayling should be forced to resign over this but I doubt it will even make the lunchtime news.

Also the defence barrister (working pro bono) is Alexander Cameron QC better known as the PMs brother.

So in case I'm missing something, this is an entirely different case that's collapsing due to legal aid cuts:

quote:

A criminal prosecution is in danger of collapse because dozens of medical experts have declined to give advice about a defendant's fitness to stand trial following deep cuts in their fees.

The case, which cannot be identified, suggests growing resistance among professional witnesses to reduced legal aid rates, a stance that could undermine the criminal justice process.

Neurologists were, until December last year, being paid about £90 an hour but their fees have now been reduced to £72 an hour with no travelling expenses. Even though in this case they are being offered the older, higher fee, a total of 27 neurologists have declined to take on the legal aid work, according to lawyers representing the defendant.

Only one neurologist, who lives in Scotland, agreed to accept the case, but since his travel expenses will not be paid, the solicitors say, he cannot be recruited. The law firm, which has now applied for additional funding, says it has been told it can pay extra to secure the services of an expert witness but believes it would have no way of recovering any additional outlay.

quote:

The case, involving an allegation of violence, has been listed for a further hearing. The judge has indicated that the prosecution may not be able to go ahead if there is no medical report on the defendant's fitness to plead because he might not receive a fair trial.

quote:

Complaints about cuts in experts' fees surfaced during consultations over the regulations. Dr Chris Pamplin, editor of the UK register of expert witness, said: "The Ministry of Justice has had room-fulls of people warning them that this would happen [when the consultations took place].

"We asked the MoJ to focus on the way they used experts not just to slash their fees. They said that was too complicated and would cut what they pay. They have also cut cancellation fees and don't pay travel expenses. If they do the work on NHS time, the NHS gets the fee. But now it costs the NHS more to employ the doctors than it collects in fees. What has happened is entirely predictable."

David Cohen, of the Academy of Experts, which supports and trains professionals on how to give evidence in court, said he was aware many experts were declining to work for reduced legal aid fees.

"They slashed the rates by 10% a few years ago," he told The Guardian. "Now they have cut it by another 20%. If you want to have a criminal justice system it costs money.

"Most experts have charged a lower rate for their legal aid work. Older experts have a sense of duty; younger experts generally have a more modern approach where they think they should be paid a reasonable rate for the job.

"The majority of these [medical consultants] doing their ordinary job are charging £200 an hour or more." The Legal Aid Agency, he added, was also restricting the number of hours they would pay for any consultation.

Nicola Hill, president of the London Criminal Courts Solicitors Association, said: "This is another sign of the damaging impact of the MoJ knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. Expert witnesses, with highly specialised medical knowledge, are crucial in many complex cases.

"They can make all the difference between a secure conviction and an unsafe one. If their goodwill is lost and they increasingly refuse to work at the much reduced legal aid rates, defendants are at risk of unsafe convictions, cases will collapse without guilt or innocence being proven and victims and their families will be denied the justice they deserve."

Good to see the market will provide, and the new generation are displaying that FYGM entrepreneurial tenacity that lifts all boats :thumbsup:

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Shakespearean Beef posted:

Don't forget to bring some nappies back for yourself you big crybaby

Just post that Tom Hanks pic and get another ban, already.

Meanwhile, here's a pic that actually is amusing:

Plasmafountain
Jun 17, 2008

Honestly, Shakey, I thought you'd be putting more effort into it.

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

That's correct, two separate cases have collapse today because Chris Grayling is a loving idiot.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Umiapik posted:

The Tories need to do their sums: there's far more voting renters than there are voting landlords.

Landlords tend to be a) old (and hence they vote) - being a BTL landlord if you're rich enough has been far and away the best way to invest your retirement money the last few years given rock bottom interest rates; and b) Tory voters, whereas renters are more likely to be lefties.

Kegluneq
Feb 18, 2011

Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

JoylessJester posted:

Clarkson obscured what he said to be funny and edgy. He's annoyed people think he said the N-word based on the PC GONE MAD act that made him rich (and the fact he totally does).
He's just released a (video) statement on Twitter in which he appears pretty contrite about the whole thing.

quote:

Sadly he'll keep his million pound BBC job despite a string of acts of casual racism and use it as a platform to attack the BBC and political correctness.
There's a world of difference between right wing tabloid criticism of the BBC and how Top Gear represents his attitude. It's very clearly played for laffs (like when Clarkson drives a tiny car into a BBC meeting on environmentalism filled with minorities) and is also self-deprecating.

While it's true that Top Gear's foreign adventures are usually based around them acting like tits and embarrassing themselves and Britain in general, they are actually pretty interesting as travelogues in their own right. They are also generally quite respectful of the people they meet.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

baka kaba posted:

Good to see the market will provide, and the new generation are displaying that FYGM entrepreneurial tenacity that lifts all boats :thumbsup:
Do you not feel that experts should be paid 'a reasonable rate for the job' then?

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Kegluneq posted:

He's just released a (video) statement on Twitter in which he appears pretty contrite about the whole thing.

There's a world of difference between right wing tabloid criticism of the BBC and how Top Gear represents his attitude. It's very clearly played for laffs (like when Clarkson drives a tiny car into a BBC meeting on environmentalism filled with minorities) and is also self-deprecating.

While it's true that Top Gear's foreign adventures are usually based around them acting like tits and embarrassing themselves and Britain in general, they are actually pretty interesting as travelogues in their own right. They are also generally quite respectful of the people they meet.

That's pretty much the 'my best friend is ~minority~' argument though. Most people who have lovely attitudes about groups are respectful towards individual members of that group, because they're suddenly actual people instead of a faceless mass you can stereotype from a distance. That's why calling them out on their racism is usually met with protestations that they can't be racist, because they get on fine with those people! If anything that proves how objective they must be with their generalisations!

And Clarkson's lol BBC banter might be played for laughs, but not against himself. Driving a tiny car into an environmentalism meeting full of minorities isn't an ironic swipe at the Clarkson persona or the right-wing perception of the BBC. It's obviously a joke but it's still coming from the same place as those legitimate attacks, that's the difference.

Same with all the 'ironic' racism - does anyone really get the impression that they 100% respect all these other national cultures and the people in them, and that they're actually mocking small-minded little englanders? Are jokes about murdering sex workers a commentary on the violence and misogyny in the world, and how our culture normalises it?

big scary monsters posted:

Do you not feel that experts should be paid 'a reasonable rate for the job' then?

It was more a comment on how people are increasingly being encouraged to be mercenary and get what they can, erasing the concept of society and the value and importance of doing public work. So on the one hand they're slashing funding and saying 'oh people will compete in the market to provide this service!' and meanwhile the next generation of service providers are thinking 'gently caress you, my time is worth more than this', as they've been encouraged to, and refusing to take part. The free market strikes again

JoylessJester
Sep 13, 2012

Kegluneq posted:

He's just released a (video) statement on Twitter in which he appears pretty contrite about the whole thing.

There's a world of difference between right wing tabloid criticism of the BBC and how Top Gear represents his attitude. It's very clearly played for laffs (like when Clarkson drives a tiny car into a BBC meeting on environmentalism filled with minorities) and is also self-deprecating.

While it's true that Top Gear's foreign adventures are usually based around them acting like tits and embarrassing themselves and Britain in general, they are actually pretty interesting as travelogues in their own right. They are also generally quite respectful of the people they meet.


1) I don't find 'I have a side of paper just out of shot that proves I didn't say it' quite as contrite as you must. Pretty much 'SORRY I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY'.

2) Clarkson writes for a right wing tabloid, and uses his page to bash the BBC pretty regularly.

3) Not being racist to someones face when visiting a foreign country, truly a high water mark.

Shakespearean Beef
Jul 12, 2008

Ask me all about how I proudly marched alongside literal NEO-NAZIS to protest against the GOVERNMENT taking away our FREEDOMS because of nothing mote that the common FLU!!! I'm holding aloft the TORCH of FREEDOM!!

Zero Gravitas posted:

Honestly, Shakey, I thought you'd be putting more effort into it.

Why would i put effort into this garbage thread that allows chodes like you to post in it freely lol

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Kegluneq
Feb 18, 2011

Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

JoylessJester posted:

1) I don't find 'I have a side of paper just out of shot that proves I didn't say it' quite as contrite as you must. Pretty much 'SORRY I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY'.
Even if he did say it, it wasn't exactly a private injoke where he emphasised it heavily and cackled knowingly to May and Hammond. Both the Mirror and Clarkson claim he mumbled, and both say it sounded like he said the n-word.

He may well be a casual racist xenophobe, but he's not at the Paula Deen level of obliviousness. I don't see any real reason to doubt him on this.

quote:

2) Clarkson writes for a right wing tabloid, and uses his page to bash the BBC pretty regularly.

3) Not being racist to someones face when visiting a foreign country, truly a high water mark.
I'm defending the show here. Pretending it's some kind of UKIP/Telegraph/Mail mashup makes you sound like the guy in the comments who wouldn't watch it even if he had a television, it's really not what the actual show is like at all.

It has gotten far less interesting and novel in recent years, but that's by the by.

Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you

Zero Gravitas posted:

Honestly, Shakey, I thought you'd be putting more effort into it.

Where's your old avatar? :(

Plasmafountain
Jun 17, 2008

Pesmerga posted:

Where's your old avatar? :(

Eh, I fancied a change. I spend a lot of my time talking about Space these days. Dissertation on rocket nozzles due next friday. :science:

Shakespearean Beef posted:

Why would i put effort into this garbage thread that allows chodes like you to post in it freely lol

Aww, I love you too.

tdrules
Jan 12, 2014
From browsing Twitter his core audience was swallowing his drivel with enthusiasm and this apology was probably to save face for the commentators and BBC management.

Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you

Zero Gravitas posted:

Eh, I fancied a change. I spend a lot of my time talking about Space these days. Dissertation on rocket nozzles due next friday. :science:

Awesome, good luck with that!

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Hbomberguy posted:

What does this thread think about All Women Shortlists?

Personally, I think they have problems, but for the complete opposite reason than most people give for them; their institution has led to a sexist culture within some parts of the Labour Party where women running for open selection are effectively told "don't you have an AWS to stand in?" The system also brings little diversity other than to get more white middle-class straight women into politics. It's a problem most Labour women recognise but Labour men often engage in doublethink.

Without AWSes, Labour doesn't have a record that stands out on female participation: 22% of open selections in the Labour party in 2010 were won by women, compared to 24% for the Conservatives and 21% for the Lib Dems.

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Ichabod Sexbeast
Dec 5, 2011

Giving 'em the old razzle-dazzle

Zero Gravitas posted:

Eh, I fancied a change. I spend a lot of my time talking about Space these days. Dissertation on rocket nozzles due next friday. :science:

I am a very jealous call centre person now.

Also, am I suffering some kind of nostalgia-induced brain damage, or did A Slot and Shakeybeef used to be good posters?

Also, for some content (it's poo poo content):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616576/Subway-removes-ham-pork-nearly-200-stores-strong-demand-Muslims-eat-Halal-meat.html

quote:

Fast food giant Subway has removed ham and bacon from almost 200 outlets, and switched to halal meat alternatives in an attempt to please its Muslim customers.

It doesn't even need more quotes, really. Has this been bringing the racists out of the woodwork on anyone else/s facebook?

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