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hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Answers Me posted:

Well, Jeremy Clarkson did another racism. Maybe he'll finally get the sack this time? http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/may/01/jeremy-clarkson-not-use-n-word

Maybe he didn't, he denied it and usually he's pretty happy to talk about how politically incorrect he is. Also he wrote a column once about how that was the one swear word he would forbid his children from saying.

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hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Loonytoad Quack posted:

You guys are all having a laugh surely? Try living in bloody Gloucestershire and see how you get on with internet. I get 3Mbps on a good day, and that's with some serious tweaking at the router level to push the SNR down as low as it will possibly go. For this amazing 3Mbps down / 672Kbps up connection I pay the bargain price of... £31.49/month! I do get a 50GB allowance though, which luckily at 3Mbps is plenty because everything takes so bloody long to download you tend not to bother, so it's not all terrible.

It'd be nice if BT got off their arses and actually rolled out the super-fast broadband we've subsidised to the tune of millions. But no, having won every single tender countrywide, they are now rolling it out at the slowest rate humanly possible.

I'm not bitter about these things though, don't worry, so by all means keep moaning about how awful your £20 fibre connections are, you loving bastards.

We're getting fibre at some point this year, they've been wandering around the village (rural Argyll) digging holes over the last few months so hopefully it won't be too long.

We're with BT as it's the only supplier here and it's horribly expensive - about £45 a month all in. We use a hell a lot of it though with 5 people in the house streaming and downloading, average monthly use is 400GB.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009
I've got a stupid question, what's the difference between the BBC election count and the Guardian one? At the moment the Guardian says Conservatives have 1123 and control 17 councis whereas the BBC says 18 councils and 593 seats.

We used that survey thing on the guardian a few days back and voted on the party based on that. Not the most accurate way of doing it but a couple of votes less for UKIP at least (not that I think they'll get far up here).

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009
A good day to bury bad (or at east embarassing) news; looks like there's a 'fundamental reorganisation' of universal credit being announced.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Serotonin posted:

Not stupid, gullible or racist. Take your pick.

Also scared and whipped up into a panic by the media.

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Dec 21, 2009

ronya posted:

the "it's the right wing media" hypothesis seems implausible given that publics are still broadly majority anti-immigration even with a cheerleading media, I think


It doesn't hep. When people can't get a council house because the list is too long and people keep jumping ahead of them there's the media talking about how many immigrants are given social housing. When people can't find a job or all the jobs they can find are zero hour minimum wage ones there's the media talking about how immigrants are getting all the jobs. When they have to wait for months for an appointment with a specialist there's the media talking about how the NHS is drowning under the pressure of all the immigrants. When their benefits get cut there's the media taking about all the immigrants coming over here to claim benefits.

I know these things aren't true, maybe some people don't and that's why they vote for UKIP.

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Dec 21, 2009

ronya posted:

it doesn't help, sure, but they'll blame immigrants regardless of what the media says because it'll be their chain mail and/or bloke in the pub telling them about the immigrant that was in front of them in the jobseeker's agency today. People believe the Daily Mail because the Daily Mail tells them what they want to hear, not the other way around; if the Mail said something else it'll just be dismissed as a mouthpiece of the shadowy conspiracy du jour (which in today's Britain seems to be some nebulous "PC crowd").

these facts are not hard to find out. Forty years ago you could point and say: well, okay, people are cruelly dependent on literature disseminated by parties and campaigners and tabloids, so misinformation is all they have. But today it's five minutes with Google. people don't want to know

There's a big difference as to how different groups of people use the internet, a lot of people see it purely as facebook and porn. It just wouldn't cross their minds that there might be different information available online that they could access. Maybe that is stupidity but it seems a bit harsh to call it that - they just have completely different frames of reference to those who use the internet in the way we do.

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Dec 21, 2009

Car Stranger posted:

According to this New Statesman article, their economic policy is heading somewhat left. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they entirely abandoned right libertarianism and campaigned for the generals on renationalisation as it'd be a nationalist, populist position.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/04/how-ukip-turning-left-economy

Obviously the party attracts racists in droves. Any party critical of immigration will, and Farage capitalises on it. I think it's pretty disingenuous to write off every UKIP voter as a bigot however. The economic impact (net benefit for us I expect) of migration and EU membership is unlikely to be felt evenly across income levels (some may see real disadvantages? Especially as a result of austerity), and I'm not convinced that neoliberalism is able to deliver anything approaching equitable globalisation. They're the only prominent anti-EU party, and EU opponents are a very broad church (also with such a bare manifesto, there's less risk of alienating people at this stage).

Not that I voted for them. But I'm very interested in people's motivations.

It's interesting because it feels a lot like they are just saying whatever they need to say to get in. The newspaper says that they ran with the slogan "protect your benefits!" in some areas whereas in others and on their website they are pushing the don't give benefits to lazy scroungers angle. How do you fight against a group that will change their policies completely whenever they feel challenged? It's like punching a cloud.

Edit: And what is it they actually do want to do if they get into power?

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