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The one good side of this is that there'll be years of ukip councillors slowly being sacked for horrendous racist statements, which will at least be funny
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:coloureds No, I'm not part of the scaremongers who hate change, because I didn't vote for loving UKIP. Are you so stupid as to not realise that racial discrimination is also about nationality? That it can refer to 'intra-race' scaremongering? I love this argument - "I hate Romanians and the Roma especially but they're WHITE!!!!!! So I'm NOT RACIST!!!!" Idiot, racism refers to not just skin colour but national origin - is anti-Irish sentiment acceptable to you? Anti-welsh? That poo poo is racist, son.
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May 23, 2014 10:03
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A Sloth posted:A bunch of non whites claiming somebody's "persecution" by the state is because of racism and not their own actions. Never gone awry in London before. You know, I can't think of a single time that a group was actually persecuted because of their race. I think every single time was actually them playing the race card for political benefit. Racism is over, people! Wake up! If we stop talking about it it goes away. A Sloth, your opinions are as lazy as your namesake.
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May 24, 2014 09:57
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Is anyone saying he isn't a dodgy character? I think the point was instead that saying 'gently caress! It's the musslemen!' is ridiculous, not that tower hamlets doesn't have a wierd political situation going on. When Cameron is a poo poo it's a rare commentator that says 'loving Christians' and when there's a pro-hunting demonstration or people talk about the countryside alliance no one says 'bunch of uppity loving white people' so why is it suddenly allowed to use dog whistle tactics when a non-white politician is also a poo poo?
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May 24, 2014 12:51
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[quote="Illuminti" post="""] Obviously it's impossible to speak about this without resorting to generalisations but I think that part and parcel of this discussion. I don't really care about the genetics of the situation, but it came up in the last couple of pages so http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/mythsofbritishancestry/#.U4CHBuE7bC0 [/quote] You should care about the genetics of the situation as it's very interesting. The article you liked is a series of two now horrendously out of date articles that bear little relevance to the current hypothesis. When I'm not phone posting I will tell you why, and how, everything in that article is wrong.
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May 24, 2014 12:59
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I don't think Clegg will lose Hallam, for the reasons described above, but I think he will take an absolute pasting, and his seat will be under threat. To get him out you'd need a what - 10% swing away, with it all going Tory AND no Tory loss to UKIP. More than that? A 25% swing to Labour? I don't think it's all that possible, but I do know that the seat will be fought for as if it were truly marginal. There's a couple of reasons I think this. Firstly, one of the things that Labour is very very good at is being on the ground. Canvassing, leafleting, door knocking, vocal support and visits from party leaders, popular figures in the area and even union members are used to calculatedly wring every possible vote out of an area when it's up for grabs. To my knowledge (which is not great on the other parties), they have the most extensive system out of the big three. From personal and anecdotal experience on this, I can say I have canvassed (and probably will again) on behalf of the labour party and have personally been involved in planning sessions that lead to things like "yes, we will just talk to every single person in this ward over the next few days and this is a good use of time and resources". Labour people are dedicated. Labour people on the ground don't differentiate between socialists, new and old labour because they understand we're all on the same side. I've canvassed alongside communists that spit on the ground when I talk about Bevan, old women that still say "he was a good man" when you're talking about Kier Hardie, ex-miners who look like boxers and think blair was the best thing since sliced bread, everyone! Because they understand the only important thing about voting Labour - you can't let the loving tories in. On a local level, Labour can and will target individual wards (even streets!) with different approaches designed to appeal to the voting demographics of the area. They did this very, very successfully in Chesterfield, North Derbyshire, last election. The area went to the Libs in 2001 (of all times) and was so until 2010. Now the voting numbers look strange - the tories were the major gains in the area, and the labour share of the vote even went down, but this is the 2010 "gently caress labour" election, and this is one of Labour's major gains. Before 2001 as I'm sure most of you will know this was Tony Benn's district, and still has a significant ex-miner, unionised and hard left voting base that will consistently vote labour. But still, in the run up to 2010 these voters were turning away from Labour (as many of you have). So, with the need to court both old and new labour voters, the constituency team, aided by that of Engel (north east derbyshire) and Skinner (who on earth doesn't know where skinner comes from) managed to get a firmly Brownite New Labour man into a Liberal seat by getting the name, policies and face of Perkins absolutely everywhere. Labour know how to challenge seats when they can be bothered to, and I know full well that the committed campaigners will travel far in order to fight a seat they think is worth fighting for, even if it's one they think they'll lose. Perkins, Engel, Skinner, Blunkett, Smith, Jarvis, Dugher, Milliband, Champion and Heany are all on (relatively) safe labour seats for the next election and they all hate, hate, HATE that smug bastard sitting on Hallam like some kind of bloody toad. Their staff (those of whom I've met which has to be quite a few by now) are by and large far to the left of their MP, and their hate for the Tories is still stoked by the fires of '85, while their hate for Clegg is now approaching the intensity of the sun. Whether or not Hallam goes Labour or even Tory, there will be hard working, dedicated, fanatical Labour (old, new and even independent) people alongside the socialists, trade unionists and communists of North Derbyshire and South Yorkshire out on the streets in Hallam. They know how to get this done and they will fight like crazy to even lower Clegg's vote by a couple of % extra, just on the principle that he is a goddamn tory bastard in a south yorkshire constituency. I don't think it will work. But they will try, and who knows - it might.
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May 28, 2014 18:25
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Time to go back to 'one for the land, one for the army, one for the clergy and pray for no more' - hurrah, the Middle Ages are here again, time for us to tug our forelocks as the Gentils goeth along ye roade. God forbid someone said 'hey, this is a problem' when it was just the poor who couldn't buy houses! I can foresee this 'squeezed middle' rhetoric being applied higher and higher up the social ladder. Oh won't someone thing of the poor families struggling on a quarter of a million a year!
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May 30, 2014 10:19
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Zephro posted:edit: also by the time you have a kid you'll need to find £12,000 a year after tax to put it in childcare so that you and your partner can both work to pay your colossal, barely-affordable rent / mortgage. I'm on a pretty good wage. This post just scared the hell out of me. I think this is something that needs to be made clear to more people desperate to get onto the 'property ladder' London - the bank owning your house with the vague promise of being able to wring enough money out of the next sucker looking to take over your hovel is not 'security', it is a dead weight, a shackle.
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May 30, 2014 11:26
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