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Leofish posted:I really hope that doesn't happen, because that would be a load of garbage. There are plenty of issues facing the province that are way more important than some vague "family values" thing. The keyword lately seems to be more "working families" than "family values." Wynne hasn't played up her sexuality at all since becoming premier, aside from the first couple of days after she was appointed when everyone wanted to talk about it, and I hope the PCs stay away from it, too, because it means nothing in terms of her ability to lead a government or plan a budget, or anything else she'll actually be doing. The PCO lost the because they got involved in the opublic/catholic school issue. I don't put it pasted them
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sbaldrick posted:So I've figured out what is going to sink the PCO this time, Hudak or someone is going to talk about family values at some point and say Wynne doesn't speak for Ontario families, which will come off as an attack because of her sexuality. He does have a 300lb weak spot in the form of the disgraced Mayor of Toronto who has much less self control and no minders left who can tell him to shut up, who should be returning from his (spoiler alert: unsuccessful) forced rehab in the final week of the campaign. Hudak is very reluctant to outright condemn Ford since he is tapped directly into the unthinking id of their movement, but the odds on Ford saying something that demands condemnation are never worse than 50/50.
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May 4, 2014 21:41
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A map of the vote from the last election by individual polls. Maybe Hudak wants to make some headway into Ford Nation? Etobicoke and Scarborough all voted Liberal or New Democrat.
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May 4, 2014 21:48
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DynamicSloth posted:Hudak is very reluctant to outright condemn Ford since he is tapped directly into the unthinking id of their movement That's a lot of spin to put on Hudak not wanting to talk about Rob Ford on budget day.
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May 4, 2014 22:43
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Ikantski posted:That's a lot of spin to put on Hudak not wanting to talk about Rob Ford on budget day. The best thing the OPC can do is keep Hudak from saying anything that isn't about the economy. It doesn't really drive page views though, so the papers have to spin it somehow.
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infernal machines posted:The best thing the OPC can do is keep Hudak from saying anything. Just have him smile and nod.
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May 5, 2014 04:52
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If Hudak wins and the OLC gets privatized, would that mean that lottery winnings would then be taxable, like in the States? That sounds like it would be a legitimate concern for the Conservative base.
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May 5, 2014 11:10
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Janderbuilt posted:If Hudak wins and the OLC gets privatized, would that mean that lottery winnings would then be taxable, like in the States? No. Lottery winnings are exempt from tax at the federal level, and most provinces (including Ontario) are required by agreement with the federal government to use the same definition of taxable income as the federal government does.
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May 5, 2014 12:15
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DynamicSloth posted:The first thing a Liberal majority will do is stop playing lip service to the left. Their priorities under a majority (and when they were down one seat) were engineering "a very special report on the importance of austerity" and crushing the teachers and other public sector unions. There does seem to be a pretty big risk of that happening, especially since the liberals have to fit somewhere between the NDP and the Republican Rightwing Policy Fest that is Hudak's PCs. Seriously some of those white papers he released a few years before the election are nuts. Backtracking from right-to-work is a good start to wooing Red Tories back to the PCs, but they've got a long way to go.
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I think I've discovered what the OLP campaign theme is going to be: LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP
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Well given how well Wynne is polling versus the actual Liberal Party, that's not a huge surprise. The liberals need to make it about personality, so that everyone can't forget that Hudak and Horwath are the only other real alternatives.
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May 5, 2014 17:43
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8agcmg823Q I saw the above ad on tv last night. To summerize, "People say leaders shouldn't involve themselves in negative ads, so instead of making personal attacks or using a surrogate let me, Kathleen Wynne, tell you why the NDP is poo poo." To me it comes off as being spiteful that an election was called, but that's probably whatever positive feelings I still have left for the NDP making me want to defend them. Also,  WELFARE
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Pinterest Mom posted:I think I've discovered what the OLP campaign theme is going to be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fnmhj58o0k
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Apple Mummy posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8agcmg823Q That's a terrible ad. I know that it's meant to convey the sense that she's constantly moving forward but it mostly feels as though the camera is trying to get away from her.
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May 5, 2014 21:10
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Hudak is off to a good start! Awkwardly avoiding direct questions about the Ontario Music Fund while standing in a music studio. http://globalnews.ca/video/1311719/tim-hudak-kicks-off-campaign-with-awkward-photo-op The best part is the end when they all walk away and the owner of the music studio isn`t really sure if he should follow the politicians or hang around with the media. Also `woooow.... He`s going to have to do better than that"
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Duck Rodgers posted:Hudak is off to a good start! Awkwardly avoiding direct questions about the Ontario Music Fund while standing in a music studio. Hahahah I came to post about this too. This is really shaping up to be 2011 Election: Part Two so far.
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May 5, 2014 22:13
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What you're supposed to read between the lines: "Yep, OMF funding is getting cut. I mean hahaha funding culture and the arts and poo poo, are you serious? Of course public resources are meant for the rich, not hippies; am I speaking Persian here?" Yeah, this is shaping up to be an easy win for the Liberals, as far as I can see. Hudak can't open his mouth without threatening someone's livelihood, and Horwath won't survive voting down the admittedly-good proposed budget.
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May 5, 2014 22:30
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Duck Rodgers posted:Hudak is off to a good start! Awkwardly avoiding direct questions about the Ontario Music Fund while standing in a music studio. Ahahaha this is hilarious. I love how when he realizes that they're not going to stop asking him about it he's just like "Okay bye!" and leaves.
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I have no idea what the NDP think they're doing here, I really hope they have some evidence of this if they're going to start repeating it everywhere. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-votes-2014/horwath-says-liberals-intend-to-privatize-ttc-1.2632096 quote:Galloway: “I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything from Kathleen Wynne about privatizing the TTC, though.” Interestingly, it's the same thing behind that ATU Local 113 video on the first page of this thread, so someone definitely believes it's happening.
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infernal machines posted:I have no idea what the NDP think they're doing here, I really hope they have some evidence of this if they're going to start repeating it everywhere. I think if they're serious about this, Horwath has to give better answers than 'privatize the TTC' when she's really talking about public private partnerships. But I guess they can't explain a P3 in a soundbite? Meanwhile Hudak is acting like this election is a gimme and not even trying to grow his base. I'm starting to think Liberal majority. e: A lot of time to campaign left, however.
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Are the NDP going to go after Hudak at all because his plans for the TTC are much easier to explain in their crappiness. He wants Ontario to take the money-making subways and leave Toronto with money-losing buses.
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:I think if they're serious about this, Horwath has to give better answers than 'privatize the TTC' when she's really talking about public private partnerships. But I guess they can't explain a P3 in a soundbite? Oh boy. A P3 to build and operate LRT lines is not even remotely privatizing the TTC, I really hope that's not what they're referring to. That P3 arrangement has been the plan since 2010 at least, and probably as far back as whenever Transit City was approved for funding.
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infernal machines posted:Oh boy. A P3 to build and operate LRT lines is not even remotely privatizing the TTC, I really hope that's not what they're referring to. The news that Metrolinx would seek a private operator for the LRT came out in 2012, and it certainly is partial privatization of new Toronto transit. It's certainly not privatizing existing services, which it sounds like Horwath was implying quite deliberately.
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Lobok posted:Are the NDP going to go after Hudak at all because his plans for the TTC are much easier to explain in their crappiness. He wants Ontario to take the money-making subways and leave Toronto with money-losing buses. There are two answers to this: 1. This is day -2 of a 36 day campaign. Obviously, when Horwath's in Toronto, her main opponent is the OLP, and she's going to go after them. If she's London or Niagara Falls, she'll go after Hudak. (Did you know the writ hasn't even been dropped yet? Weird!) 2. The OLP and the ONDP face more incentives to go after each other than they do to go after the PCs, for two reasons: -There are more Lib/NDP swing voters than either Lib/PC or PC/NDP swing voters. If there are any large shifts in public opinion, odds are they're coming on the left. -The unions are going to be carpet bombing the province with anti-Hudak ads. Last election, the OLP spent 5 million in ads, the PCPO spent 5 million in ads, and the ONDP spent 1.8 million in ads (4.2 million total!). Unions spent over 6 million in attacks ads with Hudak as sole target, and they're poised to do it again this year. If the PCs are already going to get flooded with negative ads, it makes sense that the ONDP and OLP would throw some mud each others' way to try to be the beneficiaries.
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Heavy neutrino posted:Yeah, this is shaping up to be an easy win for the Liberals, as far as I can see. Hudak can't open his mouth without threatening someone's livelihood, and Horwath won't survive voting down the admittedly-good proposed budget. Have the NDP announced their platform yet? I haven't seen anything in the newspapers or online(but I didn't look very hard).
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eXXon posted:The news that Metrolinx would seek a private operator for the LRT came out in 2012, and it certainly is partial privatization of new Toronto transit. It's certainly not privatizing existing services, which it sounds like Horwath was implying quite deliberately. I thought I remembered it being the proposed method much earlier than that, but this is the first mention of it I can find: http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2011/11/30/ttc_may_not_run_the_eglinton_crosstown_lrt.html (Nov, 2011) In any case it's hardly news, and they didn't seem to make this big a deal out of it when it was announced. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 02:00 on May 6, 2014 |
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Have the NDP announced their platform yet? I haven't seen anything in the newspapers or online(but I didn't look very hard). Like Pinterest Mom said, the campaign hasn't even officially started yet. It's way too early to read into where this election is going. Maybe Horwath will come up with a clear and compelling justification for forcing this election on Wednesday, who knows (don't hold your breath though). infernal machines posted:I thought I remembered it being the proposed method much earlier than that, but this is the first mention of it I can find: http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2011/11/30/ttc_may_not_run_the_eglinton_crosstown_lrt.html (Nov, 2011) Right, but as far as I can tell, it wasn't until 2012 (around a month before this article was written) that it came out that Metrolinx had told the TTC that they would definitely be going with a private operator. The article you linked just says they were considering it. The ATU ads against P3s - which are the source for the images I posted at the beginning of this thread - only started very recently too. I found this NDP response to the news from 2012. Maybe the NDP didn't make as big of a deal of it then, but this is like a month before McGuinty resigned, so it's not surprising that nobody really cared considering that there hasn't really been any news on the Eglinton LRT operator in the nearly two years since then. I don't think they've actually chosen the operator yet.
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Interestingly, the ads are from ATU Local 113, the TTC workers union. So far the ATU Canadian Council hasn't said anything. They represent, among others, the GO/Metrolinx workers union. I'm curious to see if they'll just avoid the whole thing, especially since Local 113 isn't represented by the ATU Canadian Council. Because P3 or no, the operators are still going to be ATU members.
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So Andrea Horwath wants five leaders' debates, at least one of which will focus on JOBS and THE ECONOMY. I guessing she wants five public debates so that Hudak says something stupid, and so she can publically harangue Wynne in a sanctioned setting.
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Hudak's campaign seems to be moving from gaffe to gaffe at an incredible rate. http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2014/05/06/hudaks-ontario-job-creation-ad-uses-video-clips-outsourced-from-russian-federation/ quote:Hudak’s Ontario job creation ad uses video clips outsourced from Russian Federation 
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Apple Mummy posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8agcmg823Q I don't even know if I can really articulate why this ad bugs me, but it probably has something to do with running every single commercial break during CBC hockey games. It's overlong and not really to the point, it opens with her making a weird and hard-to-parse statement that has little to do with the actual content of the ad and only serves to make her look either condescending or hypocritical. It's rambly and vague; seriously, it's a minute long and I don't know what the concrete takeaway from it is supposed to be. Like, were the people who made this ad not living in a country where for the last few years, every once in a while the TV would yell at us "STEPHAN DION IS NOT A LEADER" or "MICHAEL IGNATIEFF: JUST VISITING"? You'd think they'd have picked up the basics of how an effective political ad works.
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DStecks posted:I don't even know if I can really articulate why this ad bugs me, but it probably has something to do with running every single commercial break during CBC hockey games. My takeaway message is that Wynne enjoys long walks in bland suburbia coloured with the Quake 2 palette.
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:Hudak's campaign seems to be moving from gaffe to gaffe at an incredible rate. I think you missed the best part of this story, where he wants to be like Tim Pawlenty of all people  Tim Hudak also said he was the least likeable of the leaders but he will win anyway, because a leader being likeable doesn't matter at all.
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:Hudak's campaign seems to be moving from gaffe to gaffe at an incredible rate. Tim Hudak is trying to balance the budget. Kathleen Wynne and the Liberals? They've wasted billions of your hard-earned money on scandals and boondoggles. The Million Jobs Plan will put Ontarians back to work. Just not photographers. Or musicians. Now, for an awkward anecdote about an old person who doesn't like the price of hydro. (Admittedly, I don't think anyone likes the price of hydro.)
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Today, at another press event, a journalist asked Hudak what the unemployment rate is in Ontario. He paused and stared blankly for a full six seconds, raised his eyebrows, repeated the question back at her, and then sputtered out a line about how it was above the national average. No number.
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Heavy neutrino posted:What you're supposed to read between the lines: "Yep, OMF funding is getting cut. I mean hahaha funding culture and the arts and poo poo, are you serious? Of course public resources are meant for the rich, not hippies; am I speaking Persian here?" I sure hope so. This election has me very worried  On one hand calling it now forces the Liberals to come out and double down on a very nice budget which could swing political discourse leftward. On the other hand if Hordak gets elected Ontarios already shaky financial position will be devastated; if Rob Fords continued support is any indication there are a lot of really stupid people out there.
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Huge Liability posted:Today, at another press event, a journalist asked Hudak what the unemployment rate is in Ontario. He paused and stared blankly for a full six seconds, raised his eyebrows, repeated the question back at her, and then sputtered out a line about how it was above the national average. No number.
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Andrea Horwath wants to raise the minimum wage not to $11 but $12, and will even give small businesses a 3% tax cut. http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/05/06/ontarios-ndp-want-to-raise-minimum-wage-to-12-an-hour-offset-with-cut-to-small-business-tax/ quote:In trying to appeal to both sides, Horwath said New Democrats are “sensitive” to the effect a higher minimum wage would have on job creators. So there's something from the NDP, playing both sides of the coin here. I like that the CFIB seemed a bit thrown off there. "Well, we LIKE the tax cut... Hmm, minimum wage, though... but the tax cut is good. Taxes are bad. But minimum wage... Can we just get the tax cut? We'd be fine with just the tax cut." I don't know if Horwath herself specifically said "job creators" or if that was just the writing of Canadian Press reporter Diana Mehta.
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